Child suspended for his religious beliefs

[The Kangaroo]

If you've ever read the New Testament, it's pretty clear that Jesus wasn't the funniest of people,

I dunno, his walking on water sketch was particularly hilarious.

Kid gets points for doing it, but the school was quite right. You can't come to school in a fully-veiled cloth if you're muslim, so why as a pirate when you want to?

That's the whole point I mean if they suspended a Muslim then there'd be absolute outcry

 

[rabidmidget]

i feel i have to make an appearance on this thread because of my avatar

may you be touched by his noodly appendage

 

[bulbasaur]

Stupid religion for stupid twats. Schools should ban idiots like that.

 

[The Kangaroo]

i feel i have to make an appearance on this thread because of my avatar

may you be touched by his noodly appendage

R'amen

Stupid religion for stupid twats. Schools should ban idiots like that.

Any reason for any of that?

 

[Void(null)]

Stupid religion for stupid twats. Schools should ban idiots like that.

Thank you for being open minded, accepting and tolerant of others. You are a credit to humanity as a species.

 

[MysticnFm]

I'm sure that you would be able to in quite a few schools around the world, If that was truly what you believed.

Aha! Quite a few, but not all of them. Some schools wouldn't accept you being fully veiled and anonymous. This school won't accept someone being clothed as a pirate.

Hmm, well I suppose it is about striking a balance between stupid, racist, paranoia and completely open mindedness ( which, as nice as it sounds, just wouldn't work in the society we live in today, people would exploit it ).

 

[Lusty]

Substitute 'Pastafarian' with 'Muslim' and 'Eye Patch' with 'Head Scarf', and then imagine the uproar. Or 'Christian' and 'Crucafix' if you like.

Except you can't, because those are real religions.

What makes one religion 'real' and another 'not real'? I get the whole FSM thing is a bit silly, but there's a whole sliding scale of silliness between that and the more 'mainstream' stuff. Scientology, that weird David Icke lizard man thing, whatever Madonna is following this week etc. Who draws the line?

That's the point the kid was trying to make. Bit silly getting yourself in the shit for it but ballsy all the same.

He didn't make any point, besides making himself out to be a jackass. We get it, you think religion is silly. No need to go overboard.

I agree he's a bit of an idiot who probably just wanted to get in the news. But it was funny.

 

[The Kangaroo]

I think the sum of the argument is that if the kid genuinely believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster then he shouldn't have been suspended, but if he's doing it to be a twat then he should have been suspended

 

[Vicount Tinselby]

well i have to agree with the 'have no religion in school or all of them' rule except while people should be allowed to practice they're religion in school they should not be allowed to force others to honor or respect it.

case point; when i was in secondary school (high school) art class, a muslim girl brought in a piece of work with religious writing on it.
while we could all sit and look down at the table at other peoples work, she said that because her work had holy writing on it, no one in the class could be positioned below her work.
not wanting to offend her, my art teacher held up the work so that no one would be 'above it'.

i subsequently walked out of the room in disgust.

i mean, people should be allowed to practice any faith they want, but they should not be given the right to force it on other people.
Say for instance, i belonged to a religion that had holy writing that required all who looked upon it to masturbate other it, and i had brought in a piece of work with such writing on it?, what would of happened then?.

i dont know about this schools policy on such things but if Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Muslims and Hindu's etc are allowed to dress or practice they're religion in anyway within the school then this boy should be suing them.

 

[The Kangaroo]

well i have to agree with the 'have no religion in school or all of them' rule except while people should be allowed to practice they're religion in school they should not be allowed to force others to honor or respect it.

case point; when i was in secondary school (high school) art class, a muslim girl brought in a piece of work with religious writing on it.
while we could all sit and look down at the table at other peoples work, she said that because her work had holy writing on it, no one in the class could be positioned below her work.
not wanting to offend her, my art teacher held up the work so that no one would be 'above it'.

i subsequently walked out of the room in disgust.

i mean, people should be allowed to practice any faith they want, but they should not be given the right to force it on other people.
Say for instance, i belonged to a religion that had holy writing that required all who looked upon it to masturbate other it, and i had brought in a piece of work with such writing on it?, what would of happened then?.

i dont know about this schools policy on such things but if Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Muslims and Hindu's etc are allowed to dress or practice they're religion in anyway within the school then this boy should be suing them.

Welcome to the Escapist and let me get this straight, no one could look down at her Holy Writing or is it something that I'm missing

 

[Dusty Donuts]

This sounds like some retard's way of getting attention for a dumbass religion that just caught on. "Noodly Appendage" Do they actually believe that this whole thing was created by damned noodles? Earth to idiots -- Noodles didn't exist in any pre-historic time.
OT: This kid is obviously just trying to get attention. I can imagine the dumb grin on his face as he stated his reason. He should have been suspended for longer.
Yes, go on, argue with me that Pastafarianism is the most awesome thing ever.
My opinion: It isn't.

You can't disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster, so why are you arguing about it? You may just be wrong. But if you accept the touch of his noodly appendage, you could enjoy everlasting satiety.

But I DON'T accept the touch of "his noodly appendage", what will happen to me? What about the people who DON'T drink beer? What about the people who DON'T want to spend an eternity looking at strippers? What about the people who use proper words to describe their God's "things" (Noodly is not a word).
Oh, yeah, I don't think being touched by noodly appendages is a hobby of mine. Some people would call it being a "sexual predator". Just keep that in mind.

 

[Vicount Tinselby]

oh and if someone argues that this boy was taking the piss or that flying spagetti religion isn't a real religion, then think carefully, what constitutes a real religion?, and even if he was taking the piss, it shouldn't matter,even if he wasn't he would have been suspended.

it doesn't say how old these kids were, but when i was in high school at 16 people came in dressed up, some as pirates, for charity, didn't distract anybody, someone came as a sexy policewoman people still got on with lessons.

 

[mayney93]

u godda admit the kid had balls to come in full pirate attire

 

[Vicount Tinselby]

yep, i was in a mosque in turkey with a picture with similar writing, and it was placed high on a wall, this girl had similar writing on her art work and no one could be 'geographically positioned below her work'

thanks for the welcome btw, ive been on this site many times but this is the first time ive been compelled to comment

 

[The Kangaroo]

yep, i was in a mosque in turkey with a picture with similar writing, and it was placed high on a wall, this girl had similar writing on her art work and no one could be 'geographically positioned below her work'

thanks for the welcome btw, ive been on this site many times but this is the first time ive been compelled to comment

Sure thing, and hat's a bit strange, I mean is that not worshipping an icon in that they worship the writing rather than Allah?

 

[Agema]

The school was entirely right to punish the pupil.

This case has nothing useful to say about the rights of religion in school, and a lot to say about how kids try to screw around with teachers' authority.

 

[Vicount Tinselby]

well i have to agree with the 'have no religion in school or all of them' rule except while people should be allowed to practice they're religion in school they should not be allowed to force others to honor or respect it.

case point; when i was in secondary school (high school) art class, a muslim girl brought in a piece of work with religious writing on it.
while we could all sit and look down at the table at other peoples work, she said that because her work had holy writing on it, no one in the class could be positioned below her work.
not wanting to offend her, my art teacher held up the work so that no one would be 'above it'.

i subsequently walked out of the room in disgust.

i mean, people should be allowed to practice any faith they want, but they should not be given the right to force it on other people.
Say for instance, i belonged to a religion that had holy writing that required all who looked upon it to masturbate other it, and i had brought in a piece of work with such writing on it?, what would of happened then?.

i dont know about this schools policy on such things but if Christians, Sikhs, Jews, Muslims and Hindu's etc are allowed to dress or practice they're religion in anyway within the school then this boy should be suing them.

Welcome to the Escapist and let me get this straight, no one could look down at her Holy Writing or is it something that I'm missing

yep, i was in a mosque in turkey with a picture with similar writing, and it was placed high on a wall, this girl had similar writing on her art work and no one could be 'geographically positioned below her work'

thanks for the welcome btw, ive been on this site many times but this is the first time ive been compelled to comment

 

[Zer_]

It's not a religious debate. The kid is disrupting class.

Actually he's dressed oddly. There's a difference.

I think in his place, I'd come in the next day in a full length veil, see if that's "disruptive" too.

I'm of the mind that he actually shouldn't be allowed to come in a pirate outfit, but I was used to school uniforms, so that's probably influencing my idea of what's normal school-wear. The crux of the matter is whether they're consistently applying the "dress like a normal person" rule to include all religious clothing.

If they are, then more power to them and the kid was just being an ass. If not then they're favouring one religion over another, no matter how much of a joke some people think it is. Once again, I don't think the CoFSM is any more or less ridiculous than Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion; they're all equal in terms of evidence for their supernatural claims. The question at hand is whether they're equally treated by the school's policy on proper dress.

I'm sorry, are you honestly saying that a burka is more distracting than a kid dressed like Captain-fucking-Morgan? Because that's the crux of the issue, not some bullshit religious debate. People are using this as an excuse to dredge the idiotic cries of "THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS RELIGION" rather than letting the school do its job; provide a relatively stress-and-distraction-free environment for students to learn.

So just because someone dresses oddly, he should be suspended? That argument doesn't hold up either. If for example someone from another country that had a completely differing dressing style that was rather flamboyant; should he not be allowed to wear attire from his home country? That's discrimination right there.

These issues will resurface if ever we encounter intelligent life from another planet as well, who are we to prevent them from wearing what they wear? Just because *you* or *other people* think it's inappropriate or distracting doesn't mean he can't wear it.

 

[Nomad]

"Noodly Appendage" Do they actually believe that this whole thing was created by damned noodles? Earth to idiots -- Noodles didn't exist in any pre-historic time.

And the dinosaur fossils were put on earth to test our faith. Because Earth didn't exist at the time the dinosaurs supposedly roamed the earth.

Yes, pastafarianism makes rediculous claims, and knowingly so. But so does every other sect, cult and religion in the world. You can no more disprove the existence of a flying spaghetti monster than you can disprove the existence of God. Yes, most people who follow pastafarianism are perfectly aware it isn't true, and chances are that kid's one of them. But we can't just assume that goes for everyone, since there might very well be nutjobs around that actually believe in it - just like there might be nutjobs around that actually believe in christianity or hinuism.

No matter how rediculous a religion might seem to you, you have to treat it as an equal to the other religions. Because none of them are verifiable, the only thing that separates them is the amount of believers. And hey, there's a large part of the christian clique that don't belive in God either, but people still need to respect their 'faith'.

Bottom line is that either you accept all religion, or you accept none. Otherwise you're discriminating against opinion and faith, which is probably the most undemocratic thing you can do.

Personally I don't really care if they ban religious attire in schools or not - but I do insist that if they ban one type of it, then they should ban them all. Equality, please.

I'm sorry, are you honestly saying that a burka is more distracting than a kid dressed like Captain-fucking-Morgan?

First of all, if you get distracted from your schoolwork by someone's style of clothing, then you seriously just need a blindfold. Second, no, it is not more distracting. It is equally distracting. You consider a burka acceptable because it's part of a more established world religion. Which means that by not accepting the pirate attire, you're not only discriminating against a religion... You're discriminating against a minority, making you a double bigot.