Child suspended for his religious beliefs

[FallenRainbows]

Oh, this is bogus. There is no way that they actually believe that the flying spagetti monster created the universe. This is all just a joke and half the people in this religion are in it just to have fun, while the other half are just in it to spite the school.

You know what's even sillier? Believing a giant invisible man in the clouds created the universe, and then made Man in his own image.

Yes that is silly. Fortunately, no actual religion says that. To boil down Christianity into that sentence is frankly ludicrous.

Then what would you boil it down to? (serious question not flame-bait)

In all honesty, I couldn't. I am not a Christian and most of my exposure to Christianity has either come from the crappy school I attended, which taught me nothing, or from being hectored by insane fundamentalists who would scream that I would be on my way to Hell if I didn't give the all merciful Almighty applause every Sunday (which sounded a bit oxymoronic... minus the oxy). I do know enough to know that "invisible man in the clouds" doesn't even come close, and is really being used as a sarcastic jibe when it is spoken in that manner.

That does seem to be the overall idea... I went to a Christian school and in short. There an invisible omnipotent being in the sky that makes everything... that is essentially the fundamentals of it, add in talking bushes (that are on fire) and you have a somewhat insane ideal which if it was suggested in this age would be dismissed as much as a flying spaghetti monster.

 

[theultimateend]

I'm pretty sure your post is more a parody of an actual thought. Unless you have proof that any religious person 'srsly' believes in what they say they believe in.

Mainly because that kind of proof would require technology that I'm pretty sure does not yet exist.

So...you don't like my post because I can't prove something that is impossible to prove? M'kay.

Sounds like you understand. As long as we are on the same page. Gotta work better on the marketing of your products.

Oh, this is bogus. There is no way that they actually believe that the flying spagetti monster created the universe. This is all just a joke and half the people in this religion are in it just to have fun, while the other half are just in it to spite the school.

You know what's even sillier? Believing a giant invisible man in the clouds created the universe, and then made Man in his own image.

Yes that is silly. Fortunately, no actual religion says that. To boil down Christianity into that sentence is frankly ludicrous.

Then what would you boil it down to? (serious question not flame-bait)

In all honesty, I couldn't. I am not a Christian and most of my exposure to Christianity has either come from the crappy school I attended, which taught me nothing, or from being hectored by insane fundamentalists who would scream that I would be on my way to Hell if I didn't give the all merciful Almighty applause every Sunday (which sounded a bit oxymoronic... minus the oxy). I do know enough to know that "invisible man in the clouds" doesn't even come close, and is really being used as a sarcastic jibe when it is spoken in that manner.

Discounting someone elses point with absolutely no evidence to support your own is a little hokey .

Too often folks go "You don't understand the faith." yet never explain what the faith is really about. I don't debate with astrophysicists on their field for much the same reason, I couldn't in the slightest explain the things they are explaining in a better means so I just let them do it.

That might be a bad analogy, but you get my point I hope.

 

[silasbufu]

"Pastafarians follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster (pictured), and believe that the world was created by the touch of his noodly appendage."
I don't like to bash religions, but srsly?

 

[theultimateend]

"Pastafarians follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster (pictured), and believe that the world was created by the touch of his noodly appendage."
I don't like to bash religions, but srsly?

All they basically did was replace god with Flying Spaghetti Monster.

That is kind of the point.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Oh, this is bogus. There is no way that they actually believe that the flying spagetti monster created the universe. This is all just a joke and half the people in this religion are in it just to have fun, while the other half are just in it to spite the school.

You know what's even sillier? Believing a giant invisible man in the clouds created the universe, and then made Man in his own image.

Yes that is silly. Fortunately, no actual religion says that. To boil down Christianity into that sentence is frankly ludicrous.

Then what would you boil it down to? (serious question not flame-bait)

In all honesty, I couldn't. I am not a Christian and most of my exposure to Christianity has either come from the crappy school I attended, which taught me nothing, or from being hectored by insane fundamentalists who would scream that I would be on my way to Hell if I didn't give the all merciful Almighty applause every Sunday (which sounded a bit oxymoronic... minus the oxy). I do know enough to know that "invisible man in the clouds" doesn't even come close, and is really being used as a sarcastic jibe when it is spoken in that manner.

That does seem to be the overall idea... I went to a Christian school and in short. There an invisible omnipotent being in the sky that makes everything... that is essentially the fundamentals of it, add in talking bushes (that are on fire) and you have a somewhat insane ideal which if it was suggested in this age would be dismissed as much as a flying spaghetti monster.

To be honest that sounds more like an issue with your teachers than with the religion itself. Don't forget in this day and age some individuals with towering intellects believe in religions of all shapes and sizes. Invisible -man- in the sky sounds silly, particularly with commandments and rules and wotnot (would an omnipotent being really give a shit if I coveted an ox? gimme a break!). But a vast and infinite consciousness without beginning or end, without the boundaries of space and time that we are restrained by, that didn't so much 'create in 7 days then rest' but continually creates each second of existence, because we are all part of it, not seperated from it... then it sounds more plausable to me because it touches on my own feelings and experiences.

Talking you or I about adultery and Adam and Eve sounds ridiculous because of who we are and were we come from. Monotheist religions haven't really moved with the times, and as a result can look a bit silly.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Oh, this is bogus. There is no way that they actually believe that the flying spagetti monster created the universe. This is all just a joke and half the people in this religion are in it just to have fun, while the other half are just in it to spite the school.

You know what's even sillier? Believing a giant invisible man in the clouds created the universe, and then made Man in his own image.

1) Why is man capitalized?

2) It's called an opinion. If someone chooses to believe in a higher power, so be it. If I happen to disagree with whatever they believe in, that doesn't give me license to insult them.

1) To show that I was referring to the human race. Not grammatically correct, but unless you're just being a dickhole about grammar, it gets the point across

2) If you knock one religion for being silly, you're going to get shit if your "opinion" is that a giant invisible man poofed everything into existence.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Oh, this is bogus. There is no way that they actually believe that the flying spagetti monster created the universe. This is all just a joke and half the people in this religion are in it just to have fun, while the other half are just in it to spite the school.

You know what's even sillier? Believing a giant invisible man in the clouds created the universe, and then made Man in his own image.

Yes that is silly. Fortunately, no actual religion says that. To boil down Christianity into that sentence is frankly ludicrous.

Then what would you boil it down to? (serious question not flame-bait)

In all honesty, I couldn't. I am not a Christian and most of my exposure to Christianity has either come from the crappy school I attended, which taught me nothing, or from being hectored by insane fundamentalists who would scream that I would be on my way to Hell if I didn't give the all merciful Almighty applause every Sunday (which sounded a bit oxymoronic... minus the oxy). I do know enough to know that "invisible man in the clouds" doesn't even come close, and is really being used as a sarcastic jibe when it is spoken in that manner.

That does seem to be the overall idea... I went to a Christian school and in short. There an invisible omnipotent being in the sky that makes everything... that is essentially the fundamentals of it, add in talking bushes (that are on fire) and you have a somewhat insane ideal which if it was suggested in this age would be dismissed as much as a flying spaghetti monster.

To be honest that sounds more like an issue with your teachers than with the religion itself. Don't forget in this day and age some individuals with towering intellects believe in religions of all shapes and sizes. Invisible -man- in the sky sounds silly, particularly with commandments and rules and wotnot (would an omnipotent being really give a shit if I coveted an ox? gimme a break!). But a vast and infinite consciousness without beginning or end, without the boundaries of space and time that we are restrained by, that didn't so much 'create in 7 days then rest' but continually creates each second of existence, because we are all part of it, not seperated from it... then it sounds more plausable to me because it touches on my own feelings and experiences.

Talking you or I about adultery and Adam and Eve sounds ridiculous because of who we are and were we come from. Monotheist religions haven't really moved with the times, and as a result can look a bit silly.

Oh, this is bogus. There is no way that they actually believe that the flying spagetti monster created the universe. This is all just a joke and half the people in this religion are in it just to have fun, while the other half are just in it to spite the school.

You know what's even sillier? Believing a giant invisible man in the clouds created the universe, and then made Man in his own image.

Yes that is silly. Fortunately, no actual religion says that. To boil down Christianity into that sentence is frankly ludicrous.

Boiling Christianity down to that is exactly what Christianity is, without all of the pageantry and Bible quotes. The Bible describes an omniscient, omnipotent, clearly male figure that made everything and literally made man "in his own image." Calling it anything else takes away from the Bible, and whatever you call the new religion is not Christianity (and yes, that means that the vast majority of the "Christians" on this planet aren't Christians in the strictest sense of the word, but they use that title to describe their general belief in the Christian God)

 

[fessferenc]

what I think is, ban all religious attire from schools. good decision.

ditto

 

[Rokar333]

2) If you knock one religion for being silly, you're going to get shit if your "opinion" is that a giant invisible man poofed everything into existence.

That's just the thing though, Pastafarianism was MADE TO BE A JOKE. It's not like Scientology, which could be considered a minority religion people actually believe in, it was created to prove a point.

It's people like this that make atheists look like jackasses (when really it's only the militant antitheists that are jackasses). Everybody has different views on life, and yes you are expected to show some common courtesy to other people just because they are people. Some countries don't even have total freedom of speech because they realized that also covers speech intended to anger and upset people for no good reason.

 

[Mr. Purple]

Uh...... i think the school did a good thing i mean who the hell goes to school dressed as a pirate?

Um, I dont think so. He is allowed to believe whatever he wants. If thats what they believes they shouldnt stop him.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

2) If you knock one religion for being silly, you're going to get shit if your "opinion" is that a giant invisible man poofed everything into existence.

That's just the thing though, Pastafarianism was MADE TO BE A JOKE. It's not like Scientology, which could be considered a minority religion people actually believe in, it was created to prove a point.

It's people like this that make atheists look like jackasses (when really it's only the militant antitheists that are jackasses). Everybody has different views on life, and yes you are expected to show some common courtesy to other people just because they are people. Some countries don't even have total freedom of speech because they realized that also covers speech intended to anger and upset people for no good reason.

Do you know how Christianity was actually founded? Or Islam? All you have are the religious texts dating back centuries ago describing seemingly impossible events that we are to believe out of nothing but pure faith. For all we know, Christianity was founded as a way to enslave the hearts and minds of people thousands of years ago for the benefit of a few political hustlers inventing stories to terrify people (and this would be supported by the fact that it was used as a tool to terrify and control people for centuries).

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Boiling Christianity down to that is exactly what Christianity is, without all of the pageantry and Bible quotes. The Bible describes an omniscient, omnipotent, clearly male figure that made everything and literally made man "in his own image." Calling it anything else takes away from the Bible, and whatever you call the new religion is not Christianity (and yes, that means that the vast majority of the "Christians" on this planet aren't Christians in the strictest sense of the word, but they use that title to describe their general belief in the Christian God)

Yes but in boiling it down you are loosing a chunk of some of the elements vital to the Christian culture. It is rather like boiling a Ferrari Enzo down to "four wheels and some metal", yes that is exactly what it is, but at the same time it's not quite accurate. To an outsider it is quite accurate. To someone who doesn't like cars, who doesn't know a camshaft from a CV boot, a Ferrari Enzo is just device that some people have to get from A-B. But to a car fanatic, it is an object of love, an example of magnificent engineering, and so on and so forth.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Boiling Christianity down to that is exactly what Christianity is, without all of the pageantry and Bible quotes. The Bible describes an omniscient, omnipotent, clearly male figure that made everything and literally made man "in his own image." Calling it anything else takes away from the Bible, and whatever you call the new religion is not Christianity (and yes, that means that the vast majority of the "Christians" on this planet aren't Christians in the strictest sense of the word, but they use that title to describe their general belief in the Christian God)

Yes but in boiling it down you are loosing a chunk of some of the elements vital to the Christian culture. It is rather like boiling a Ferrari Enzo down to "four wheels and some metal", yes that is exactly what it is, but at the same time it's not quite accurate. To an outsider it is quite accurate. To someone who doesn't like cars, who doesn't know a camshaft from a CV boot, a Ferrari Enzo is just device that some people have to get from A-B. But to a car fanatic, it is an object of love, an example of magnificent engineering, and so on and so forth.

Should I start explaining God's stances on things like war, slavery, and the role of women? Calling him a giant invisible man that poofed everything into existence is really quite flattering when you compare that image to the image of the psychotic warmonger described by the Old Testament. I could be a real dick and start quoting Deuteronomy and Leviticus, I'm sure the ladies here would love to hear that.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Boiling Christianity down to that is exactly what Christianity is, without all of the pageantry and Bible quotes. The Bible describes an omniscient, omnipotent, clearly male figure that made everything and literally made man "in his own image." Calling it anything else takes away from the Bible, and whatever you call the new religion is not Christianity (and yes, that means that the vast majority of the "Christians" on this planet aren't Christians in the strictest sense of the word, but they use that title to describe their general belief in the Christian God)

Yes but in boiling it down you are loosing a chunk of some of the elements vital to the Christian culture. It is rather like boiling a Ferrari Enzo down to "four wheels and some metal", yes that is exactly what it is, but at the same time it's not quite accurate. To an outsider it is quite accurate. To someone who doesn't like cars, who doesn't know a camshaft from a CV boot, a Ferrari Enzo is just device that some people have to get from A-B. But to a car fanatic, it is an object of love, an example of magnificent engineering, and so on and so forth.

Should I start explaining God's stances on things like war, slavery, and the role of women? Calling him a giant invisible man that poofed everything into existence is really quite flattering when you compare that image to the image of the psychotic warmonger described by the Old Testament. I could be a real dick and start quoting Deuteronomy and Leviticus, I'm sure the ladies here would love to hear that.

No you shouldn't because, as has been said several times now, that is not representive of modern Christianity. We don't complain to Italians about Caesars invasion of Europe for a reason - it would be fucking stupid. These days, only stupid people still read that kind of stuff and take it literally, and you know it. To use a small group of stupid extremists to build a case against an entire creed and culture containing literally billions of people is even more stupid.

 

[Numb1lp]

ARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rokar333]

Do you know how Christianity was actually founded? Or Islam? All you have are the religious texts dating back centuries ago describing seemingly impossible events that we are to believe out of nothing but pure faith. For all we know, Christianity was founded as a way to enslave the hearts and minds of people thousands of years ago for the benefit of a few political hustlers inventing stories to terrify people (and this would be supported by the fact that it was used as a tool to terrify and control people for centuries).

Despite how it started, you'd have to be a retard to not see that the majority of Christianity today is summed up into two things: love god, love your neighbor. Modern Christianity is mostly the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus, not the Torah.

I stopped being Christian because I took issue with Jesus's second rule "love your neighbor" as I realized that some people don't deserve sympathy. There are some people in this world that I can't even pretend to give a shit about.

EDIT: By majority I mean the silent majority of sane Christians, not the vocal minority of fundies.

 

[The Warden]

By this logic, if I supported the nazi party I should not get suspended for wearing the arm thing with the symbol to school.

No because Nazism isn't a religion and it's offensive

So?
You can't please everyone, nor should you give a shit if you don't.
Hell, I'm dressing up as Harry Potter this Halloween, maybe some Christians will get pissed at me, but fuck them.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Boiling Christianity down to that is exactly what Christianity is, without all of the pageantry and Bible quotes. The Bible describes an omniscient, omnipotent, clearly male figure that made everything and literally made man "in his own image." Calling it anything else takes away from the Bible, and whatever you call the new religion is not Christianity (and yes, that means that the vast majority of the "Christians" on this planet aren't Christians in the strictest sense of the word, but they use that title to describe their general belief in the Christian God)

Yes but in boiling it down you are loosing a chunk of some of the elements vital to the Christian culture. It is rather like boiling a Ferrari Enzo down to "four wheels and some metal", yes that is exactly what it is, but at the same time it's not quite accurate. To an outsider it is quite accurate. To someone who doesn't like cars, who doesn't know a camshaft from a CV boot, a Ferrari Enzo is just device that some people have to get from A-B. But to a car fanatic, it is an object of love, an example of magnificent engineering, and so on and so forth.

Should I start explaining God's stances on things like war, slavery, and the role of women? Calling him a giant invisible man that poofed everything into existence is really quite flattering when you compare that image to the image of the psychotic warmonger described by the Old Testament. I could be a real dick and start quoting Deuteronomy and Leviticus, I'm sure the ladies here would love to hear that.

No you shouldn't because, as has been said several times now, that is not representive of modern Christianity. We don't complain to Italians about Caesars invasion of Europe for a reason - it would be fucking stupid. These days, only stupid people still read that kind of stuff and take it literally, and you know it. To use a small group of stupid extremists to build a case against an entire creed and culture containing literally billions of people is even more stupid.

"Modern Christianity?" What is "modern Christianity?" The belief that some giant father figure makes everything better, as so many softer Christians believe? The one that is staunchly conservative on economic issues and against gay marriage, like our red state friends want to believe? The God that apparently wants people to stand on sidewalks with "abortion is murder signs?" You're claiming that I'm marginalizing Christians by talking about traditional Christianity, I say that if we're talking about Christianity, we're talking about Christianity, not one of its basterd children that have spawned in the past few decades.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

By this logic, if I supported the nazi party I should not get suspended for wearing the arm thing with the symbol to school.

No because Nazism isn't a religion and it's offensive

So?
You can't please everyone, nor should you give a shit if you don't.
Hell, I'm dressing up as Harry Potter this Halloween, maybe some Christians will get pissed at me, but fuck them.

You should give a shit. Just a bit of common sense suffices. Unfortuately, it seems common sense is in short supply in this thread.

Dressing up as a fictional character = acceptable. People get pissed off, that is their problem not yours.

Dressing up as a group who tortured and incinerated millions of people, put the entire world into war, and gave us the word "holocaust" = Not quite the same thing.

Boiling Christianity down to that is exactly what Christianity is, without all of the pageantry and Bible quotes. The Bible describes an omniscient, omnipotent, clearly male figure that made everything and literally made man "in his own image." Calling it anything else takes away from the Bible, and whatever you call the new religion is not Christianity (and yes, that means that the vast majority of the "Christians" on this planet aren't Christians in the strictest sense of the word, but they use that title to describe their general belief in the Christian God)

Yes but in boiling it down you are loosing a chunk of some of the elements vital to the Christian culture. It is rather like boiling a Ferrari Enzo down to "four wheels and some metal", yes that is exactly what it is, but at the same time it's not quite accurate. To an outsider it is quite accurate. To someone who doesn't like cars, who doesn't know a camshaft from a CV boot, a Ferrari Enzo is just device that some people have to get from A-B. But to a car fanatic, it is an object of love, an example of magnificent engineering, and so on and so forth.

Should I start explaining God's stances on things like war, slavery, and the role of women? Calling him a giant invisible man that poofed everything into existence is really quite flattering when you compare that image to the image of the psychotic warmonger described by the Old Testament. I could be a real dick and start quoting Deuteronomy and Leviticus, I'm sure the ladies here would love to hear that.

No you shouldn't because, as has been said several times now, that is not representive of modern Christianity. We don't complain to Italians about Caesars invasion of Europe for a reason - it would be fucking stupid. These days, only stupid people still read that kind of stuff and take it literally, and you know it. To use a small group of stupid extremists to build a case against an entire creed and culture containing literally billions of people is even more stupid.

"Modern Christianity?" What is "modern Christianity?" The belief that some giant father figure makes everything better, as so many softer Christians believe? The one that is staunchly conservative on economic issues and against gay marriage, like our red state friends want to believe? The God that apparently wants people to stand on sidewalks with "abortion is murder signs?" You're claiming that I'm marginalizing Christians by talking about traditional Christianity, I say that if we're talking about Christianity, we're talking about Christianity, not one of its basterd children that have spawned in the past few decades.

"Modern Christianity" is "Christianity as practiced by Christians today, not a thousand years ago".

Abortion? You mean those pro-faith, pro-choice [http://www.rcrc.org/programs/clergy_resources.cfm] Christians lobbying for abortion to be acceptable? Or you mean those anti-abortion atheists [http://www.godlessprolifers.org/] we have running around?

Gay marriage? Ohh you mean in America were gay marriage is now legal? Or you mean in the atheist state of North Korea [http://atheism.about.com/library/world/KZ/bl_NKoreaIndex.htm], where gay people can be executed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_North_Korea]?

We are talking about Christianity, practiced by the majority of Christians today, not some sub group you have a bee in your bonnet about, nor some group from a thousand years ago. At least I am, you are talking about some Christianity you have apparently decided to make up for yourself.