Child suspended for his religious beliefs

[cuddly_tomato]

what I think is, ban all religious attire from schools. good decision.

But they don't. They generally don't allow non-middle-eastern beleifs to be openly expressed, yet every day certain people in my school go around wearing shirts that are about how all heathens are going to burn in hell, and yet I got in trouble for wearing a shirt that says the beleif in a magical, world-creating jewish zombie who wants me to love him so I can live forever is more rediculous than the promise of 72 virgins after death

Well you would, because you are just being an asshole and getting in other peoples faces. That's kinda what you aren't supposed to do to other human beings whether you agree with their personal beliefs or not, unless you are a complete sociopath who delights tearing down what other people hold dear, in which case go you!

I wear it in response to the people who wear shirts about how Heathens will burn in hell (more than a few in my school), so if a shirt about how a magical jewish zombie is a rediculous beleif is somehow more in-your-face than a shirt about how I apparently deserve to be eternally punished, then sure, I'll stop. However, it isn't, and their shirts are outright hostile, and yet they are allowed to wear it because it's in support of Christianity

It isn't that your shirt is more in-your-face, it is that your response hurts those who have not originally insulted you. I have been on the recieving end of Christian bile and hatred most of my life, that doesn't mean I tarr all Christians with the same brush nor does it mean I would endevour to insult moderate Christians who will let me go about my life in peace without warning me that my soul is destined for Hell because God loves me so much (or some other sillyness).

First rule of how to deal with assholes is to not become one yourself.

 

[goatzilla8463]

This guy needs help.

The kind that involves deaths.

 

[Abengoshis]

what I think is, ban all religious attire from schools. good decision.

But they don't. They generally don't allow non-middle-eastern beleifs to be openly expressed, yet every day certain people in my school go around wearing shirts that are about how all heathens are going to burn in hell, and yet I got in trouble for wearing a shirt that says the beleif in a magical, world-creating jewish zombie who wants me to love him so I can live forever is more rediculous than the promise of 72 virgins after death

Well you would, because you are just being an asshole and getting in other peoples faces. That's kinda what you aren't supposed to do to other human beings whether you agree with their personal beliefs or not, unless you are a complete sociopath who delights tearing down what other people hold dear, in which case go you!

His point is that they're allowed to get in other peoples faces, but he isn't.

What does that mean? Someone else being an asshole does not give me license to be an asshole. Same applies to him.

Of course not, but it still doesn't mean they can be assholes and he can't. If they can be assholes he can too. xD

 

[cuddly_tomato]

what I think is, ban all religious attire from schools. good decision.

But they don't. They generally don't allow non-middle-eastern beleifs to be openly expressed, yet every day certain people in my school go around wearing shirts that are about how all heathens are going to burn in hell, and yet I got in trouble for wearing a shirt that says the beleif in a magical, world-creating jewish zombie who wants me to love him so I can live forever is more rediculous than the promise of 72 virgins after death

Well you would, because you are just being an asshole and getting in other peoples faces. That's kinda what you aren't supposed to do to other human beings whether you agree with their personal beliefs or not, unless you are a complete sociopath who delights tearing down what other people hold dear, in which case go you!

His point is that they're allowed to get in other peoples faces, but he isn't.

What does that mean? Someone else being an asshole does not give me license to be an asshole. Same applies to him.

Of course not, but it still doesn't mean they can be assholes and he can't. If they can be assholes he can too. xD

It doesn't work that way. If he wants to be an asshole because of their actions great - do it directly to them. Walk up to those idiots and point out just how absurd their shit is. But wearing a T-Shirt that attacks all Christians, including moderates who have not tried to shove their religion down his throat or otherwise insult him, makes him as bad as the original asshole.

If everyone starts behaving like assholes towards each other it will not end well.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Fuck people that think they have a right to not be offended. You don't want to be offended by someone's shirt, I recommend bringing your balls to school in the future. The first amendment doesn't need to be revised to suit a generation of bed wetters.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Fuck people that think they have a right to not be offended. You don't want to be offended by someone's shirt, I recommend bringing your balls to school in the future. The first amendment doesn't need to be revised to suit a generation of bed wetters.

Yes indeed. It is people like you who make the world such a wonderful place to live! Well done!

 

[Serge A. Storms]

As far as Pastafarianism goes, it's no less ridiculous than any mainstream religion, and it's religious texts aren't shockingly violent and hypocritical like the Bible or the Qur'an. Saying that it's "not a real religion," isn't good enough, there's no special dignity that comes with believing in a certain god that makes one religion better than another, they're all the same in the eyes of the Constitution, and frankly they're only separated by a series of fictional or exaggerated stories and characters to begin with.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Fuck people that think they have a right to not be offended. You don't want to be offended by someone's shirt, I recommend bringing your balls to school in the future. The first amendment doesn't need to be revised to suit a generation of bed wetters.

Yes indeed. It is people like you who make the world such a wonderful place to live! Well done!

Hey!!! Fuck you, weakling, if I thought my goal in life was being pleasant and avoiding controversy, I'd probably move to China and get a head start on being a nearly-irrelevant cog for an evil government bent on maintaining its own existence through any means necessary.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Fuck people that think they have a right to not be offended. You don't want to be offended by someone's shirt, I recommend bringing your balls to school in the future. The first amendment doesn't need to be revised to suit a generation of bed wetters.

Yes indeed. It is people like you who make the world such a wonderful place to live! Well done!

Hey!!! Fuck you, weakling, if I thought my goal in life was being pleasant and avoiding controversy, I'd probably move to China and get a head start on being a nearly-irrelevant cog for an evil government bent on maintaining its own existence through any means necessary.

It would be a better goal than doing nothing but lowering the enjoyment of the lives of other people. I try to do my best to be well mannered and courteous towards others, if you really think that makes me a weakling then I honestly think you haven't matured yet.

 

[w-Jinksy]

whats even funnier is ive seen that picture of the kid and all he wore is an eyepatch i mean seriously a single eye patch is so disruptive that he has to be suspended over it.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Fuck people that think they have a right to not be offended. You don't want to be offended by someone's shirt, I recommend bringing your balls to school in the future. The first amendment doesn't need to be revised to suit a generation of bed wetters.

Yes indeed. It is people like you who make the world such a wonderful place to live! Well done!

Hey!!! Fuck you, weakling, if I thought my goal in life was being pleasant and avoiding controversy, I'd probably move to China and get a head start on being a nearly-irrelevant cog for an evil government bent on maintaining its own existence through any means necessary.

It would be a better goal than doing nothing but lowering the enjoyment of the lives of other people. I try to do my best to be well mannered and courteous towards others, if you really think that makes me a weakling then I honestly think you haven't matured yet.

What kind of weak, insecure child lets a fucking T-shirt bring them down? Are these the people that buy Snuggies and watch R-rated movies on cable so they don't have to hear the dreaded "F-word?"

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Here, let's break down a few basic truths we all know or at least can figure out with a little bit of critical thinking

1. As soon as the government defines one religion as being more or less legitimate than other religions, it's showing favoritism towards specific faiths, which is not only against the Constitution, but represents a complete break from everything that the founding fathers had in mind when we first rebelled against Britain. This country was founded on the concept that everyone would have freedom of religion, and that means all religions.

2. Claiming that Pastafarianism isn't a real religion isn't good enough. In our society, people are allowed to believe what they want, even if it means making something up and believing in that. Thus, an expression of one's faith in Pastafarianism might be offensive and it might purposely mock other religions, but that doesn't mean that it's not a real religion. To build on this, most religions claim that all other religions are incorrect, and the most mainstream religion in our culture, Christianity, plainly states that all that oppose Christianity will burn for all eternity. Pastafarianism isn't just a legitimate religion, it's not nearly as offensive as Christianity.

3. To remain neutral on all religions, the government must treat them all the same. And with the first amendment, that means that people of all religions should be able to express themselves without restriction. No one has a right to not be offended, everyone has a right to expressing themselves. That's what the founding fathers intended, that's exactly what's in the Constitution, and that's how it should remain if we're going to keep calling this country the United States

 

[Cakes]

As far as Pastafarianism goes, it's no less ridiculous than any mainstream religion, and it's religious texts aren't shockingly violent and hypocritical like the Bible or the Qur'an. Saying that it's "not a real religion," isn't good enough, there's no special dignity that comes with believing in a certain god that makes one religion better than another, they're all the same in the eyes of the Constitution, and frankly they're only separated by a series of fictional or exaggerated stories and characters to begin with.

It's a damn parody. It doesn't matter if the stories are no less ridiculous than actual religion, that's not the point. The little asshole obviously did not seriously believe he needed to wear a pirate outfit, as an observant Jew believes they need those cute little hats of theirs.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

As far as Pastafarianism goes, it's no less ridiculous than any mainstream religion, and it's religious texts aren't shockingly violent and hypocritical like the Bible or the Qur'an. Saying that it's "not a real religion," isn't good enough, there's no special dignity that comes with believing in a certain god that makes one religion better than another, they're all the same in the eyes of the Constitution, and frankly they're only separated by a series of fictional or exaggerated stories and characters to begin with.

It's a damn parody. It doesn't matter if the stories are no less ridiculous than actual religion, that's not the point. The little asshole obviously did not seriously believe he needed to wear a pirate outfit, as an observant Jew believes they need those cute little hats of theirs.

Since when did the government define religion as "what someone really believes in?" If you can find that in the law somewhere, I'd love to hear it, otherwise what he actually believes and his religion are two separate things, and the government has no right to decide if either of them are legitimate.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

I love it when people say that there's something special about believing in a certain religion. That comes from the religions themselves putting so much emphasis on belief, particularly the religions of Abraham, and Christianity most of all. If we allowed the government to make belief in a religion the deciding factor in whether that religion was "legitimate" or not, it wouldn't be long before smaller religions were squelched by power-hungry politicians looking to get re-elected exploiting an ignorant, mostly Christian population by calling out "non-believers" like Pagans and Satanists. Then you'd have a xenophobic, jingoistic society demanding the government put down all minority religions, claiming that they aren't "real believers," with any politicians willing to play ball eating it up. Muslims, Jews, and even Catholics would start to get some real shit. It wouldn't be long before we'd be back to the ol' state church. Wouldn't that be dandy?

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Let me ask the pussyfooting chicken-chokers here an honest question; How does our government define religion? That seems to be "the point" here, despite the objections of so many that seem more interested in defining religion for themselves than seeing what the government has to say about it.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

I love it when people say that there's something special about believing in a certain religion. That comes from the religions themselves putting so much emphasis on belief, particularly the religions of Abraham, and Christianity most of all. If we allowed the government to make belief in a religion the deciding factor in whether that religion was "legitimate" or not, it wouldn't be long before smaller religions were squelched by power-hungry politicians looking to get re-elected exploiting an ignorant, mostly Christian population by calling out "non-believers" like Pagans and Satanists. Then you'd have a xenophobic, jingoistic society demanding the government put down all minority religions, claiming that they aren't "real believers," with any politicians willing to play ball eating it up. Muslims, Jews, and even Catholics would start to get some real shit. It wouldn't be long before we'd be back to the ol' state church. Wouldn't that be dandy?

Speaking as a Pagan I broadly agree. But come on dude this wasn't a case of someone from a minority religion, this was a clear cut case of someone using the whole religious tolerance law to be a dick - which only hurts the causes of those in minority religions.

 

[theultimateend]

Meh, I hate it when people try to make statements with stupid acts such as this.

Meh I hate when people try to make statements with stupid posts like this.

BOOM! Hyahyahyahyahyahya. Spicey!

It's a damn parody. It doesn't matter if the stories are no less ridiculous than actual religion, that's not the point. The little asshole obviously did not seriously believe he needed to wear a pirate outfit, as an observant Jew believes they need those cute little hats of theirs.

I'm pretty sure your post is more a parody of an actual thought. Unless you have proof that any religious person 'srsly' believes in what they say they believe in.

Mainly because that kind of proof would require technology that I'm pretty sure does not yet exist.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

I love it when people say that there's something special about believing in a certain religion. That comes from the religions themselves putting so much emphasis on belief, particularly the religions of Abraham, and Christianity most of all. If we allowed the government to make belief in a religion the deciding factor in whether that religion was "legitimate" or not, it wouldn't be long before smaller religions were squelched by power-hungry politicians looking to get re-elected exploiting an ignorant, mostly Christian population by calling out "non-believers" like Pagans and Satanists. Then you'd have a xenophobic, jingoistic society demanding the government put down all minority religions, claiming that they aren't "real believers," with any politicians willing to play ball eating it up. Muslims, Jews, and even Catholics would start to get some real shit. It wouldn't be long before we'd be back to the ol' state church. Wouldn't that be dandy?

Speaking as a Pagan I broadly agree. But come on dude this wasn't a case of someone from a minority religion, this was a clear cut case of someone using the whole religious tolerance law to be a dick - which only hurts the causes of those in minority religions.

The First Amendment includes the right to be a dick. No where has the Constitution said that people have a right to not be offended. If he wants to be a dick and hurt the reputation of his own religion, that's his decision, and the government should have no right to stop him.

 

[theultimateend]

Let me ask the pussyfooting chicken-chokers here an honest question; How does our government define religion? That seems to be "the point" here, despite the objections of so many that seem more interested in defining religion for themselves than seeing what the government has to say about it.

"To determine whether an action of the federal or state government infringes upon a person's right to freedom of religion, the court must decide what qualifies as religion or religious activities for purposes of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment."

Source: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Religion

Which means that the courts get to decide if you really believe in something or not. I can't be the only one that sees a flaw in that.