Chinese girl crushed, 18 people don't care

[OneTwoThreeBlast]

Fun fact, in China, if you help a person in an accident, you become responsible for their well being and medical expenses.

Also, if that person dies, you can be sued.

Fun fact: it's almost exactly the same in most of America. You won't be required to pay their medical expenses, but you essentially take on the burden of their wellbeing, and if they are injured or die you may be sued.

It's that way in a lot of places, so, again, stop blaming China.

I wasn't blaming China, I was pointing out a very good reason why people would pass by a person who was hurt, especially one that was bound to die any moment.

I'm sorry. You're right and my response was a knee-jerk reaction after seeing some other comments. I'm not even going to edit it because to do so would be dishonest and covering up the fact that I was wrong.

But I do think that the main reason people don't get involved is the bystander effect. Not everyone knows about these laws. For those that do (like us), it can certainly be a reason not to get involved.

 

[UrieHusky]

Old news, but you don't know what it's like there.

It's tragic sure, but you can get fined for stopping to help people.

I don't remember the specifics so anyone who knows the full story feel free to quote me and correct me (om nom nom information) but basically nobody wanted to risk it for someone they don't know. Pretty cruel but it's how it is.

 

[Quaxar]

Eh, I don't really see the new thing. This happens from time to time. You don't have any idea how often the reverse situation happens though, people calling an ambulance for a sleeping homeless. So I'd say it's not like there's never someone.

I also don't like the experimental settings. Testing this on the busiest street in town is of course going to result in a lot of people walking past because it's a natural reflex to just zone out in a big and noisy surrounding.
There's also the dress factor seeing as somebody dressed like a homeless is of course assumed to be a sleeping homeless person and I don't know about you but I am certainly not going to wake up every junkie, drunkyard or crazy hobo on the street just because "it could be an emergency". There is, I'm sorry to say, a reasonable explanation for EMTs here who want to get kevlar gloves. And I as a private person don't want anybody stabbing at me just because I disturbed his sleep.
Yes, there is a difference. I can assume a guy wearing a suit is not a man of the streets and as such not wont to sleeping in a corner. Somebody with his backpack and sleeping bag in a warm place somewhere in the subway station is less likely to be a medical emergency and as such will be treated differently.

Now I am just speaking of possible unconscious people of course.
Seizures, sudden loss of consciousness and obvious cries for help should at least be an indication for getting an ambulance if you don't feel like being able to administer first-aid.
Which is, of course, bollocks since in this country you are required to take an 8-hour basic first-aid course for your licence. Lateral recumbent position and at least some kind of CPR even if outdated should be possible...

 

[viranimus]

Well if is too hard for you to look there without getting mad at people...

Spoiler: Dont look over here or your head will explode

Which is worse, 18 people didnt care, or 30 people proactively watched and/or joined in?

Yeah, not really compelled to care. Lame way to go for the kid, but perhaps were not loosing the cure for cancer if she was unable to get out of the way of a slow moving vehicle on a uncrowded side street.

Can we stop with trying to guilt people into being touchy feely hippies? The "love everyone and everything everywhere" thing is not only getting quite old its always been pretty damned impractical.

 

[Zakarath]

I remember hearing that something happened in New York City a year ago or so, where some homeless guy was stabbed and then spent 10 minutes on a sidewalk bleeding out with plenty of people going by and no one even dialed an ambulance.

 

[mexicola]

I came in here laughing and feeling puzzled. I read the title as: "Chinese guild crushed, 18 people don't care" so I was thinking was this WoW drama or something like that?

But yeah, that's a disturbing video.

 

[Booze Zombie]

*Looks at the thread title*
I've said it once, and I'll say it again:

THIS IS CHINA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!

The attitude towards human morality there is lower then you can ever imagine. The majority of people there just don't give a damn about others and the small percent that do are to afraid of the government to take any kind of action.
Stuff like this has happens quite often there, and although it is fucking terrible, its just going to continue.

Actually, this is standard human nature. Morals are morals, humans don't enjoy murder or death, but people are afraid to get involved in things, be you American, Chinese, Russian, whatever.

 

[OneTwoThreeBlast]

Yeah, not really compelled to care. Lame way to go for the kid, but perhaps were not loosing the cure for cancer if she was unable to get out of the way of a slow moving vehicle on a uncrowded side street.

Can we stop with trying to guilt people into being touchy feely hippies? The "love everyone and everything everywhere" thing is not only getting quite old its always been pretty damned impractical.

A post after my own heart. If she could not get out of the way of a slow moving truck and had ample room to do so then...I'm not going to say I am happy to see people die but I'm not overly sad in this case.

And on hippies, I go to university and am surrounded by them. Their constant bleating got old really fast.

I know, all those silly people caring about when other people get hit by cars and die! I mean, she's a little girl! She had at least a few seconds to get out of the way! It's not like most people's minds automatically seize up when they are staring death in the face, watching it barreling toward them at high speed and realizing that they have but a few seconds before they will be killed if they don't get out of the way. Nope, that doesn't happen at all.

Geez, people just care way too much these days. I live in the US, where people don't care enough for their fellow human beings to pay 1% more on their taxes so there aren't over 200,000 children (and several million people) who die every year because they lack healthcare. And, frankly, that's just not enough lack of caring for me. Frankly, we need to care even less.

So I must admit that I long for the day when we will all start caring just a little bit less about each other.

[/sarcasm]

 

[ProjectTrinity]

People trying to get others to empathize with strangers may be getting old, but my ole' my is hearing people chant "this is life" over and over again just as old. Really, shush it. People empathizing and emotionally reacting to such situations is just as part of life as the unfortunate events and your annoying "get over it" mentalities. If you *really* want to give off the wisdom mentality, how about you remember each side of tale before you post cliche-comment #34534564.

Obviously, I am more in line with the emphasizing party than those who took the easier route in life by caring less than the others. It's almost like watching a basketball fan walk into a golf fan's home and scream "LIFE IS LIFE - BASKETBALL EXISTS! I SO SMART!" <--What was your point? The golfer wants to golf and has the capability to enjoy the sport, so let 'em.

On topic: People are jerks, sadly. It was unfortunate for the girl and serves as a nice reminder that we live in one pathetic world. . _.

 

[Tharwen]

I refuse to judge anyone who does this until I have personally saved a life by helping someone injured in the street.

I just don't believe that there happened to be 18 unusually selfish, ignorant people there at that moment.

 

[KarmaEnforcer]

First, great parenting mom.

Second, way more than 18 people don't care about this video.

 

[OneTwoThreeBlast]

I refuse to judge anyone who does this until I have personally saved a life by helping someone injured in the street.

I just don't believe that there happened to be 18 unusually selfish, ignorant people there at that moment.

I agree with this. I like to think that I'm a caring, unselfish person, but I've never been in this situation. Just as I would like to think that I wouldn't puss out if I was fighting on the beaches of Normandy in World War II, I still have to wonder if I would try to run out of cowardice (though maybe that's not the best example, as there was really nowhere to run in that case...but you get my point).

If I failed to help her, it wouldn't be because of selfishness or lack of care, but because of cowardice and/or simple fear of very serious repercussions.

 

[Zeraki]

Well damn.

I saw a thread about this a couple days ago, but it didn't have raw unedited footage of the event. That was brutal, and hard to watch. Though the big thing that's bothering me is... where were her parents when this happened? Why was she walking around a place like that unsupervised?

Humanity has sunk to a new low.

No it hasn't. History shows us that humanity is capable of much worse things than this. Sadly, stuff like this happens every day all around the world.

As frustrating as this is to watch, you have no way of knowing for sure how you would react in a similar situation, unless you have been previously exposed to it. And no, pictures and videos don't count. It is much more traumatic when you actually see it in person.

The human brain isn't accustomed to seeing something gruesome like this. It causes severe psychological trauma, and the brain will often react by saying "F@#$ this, I'm out". Some people can fight the compulsion, but it's sadly something that is a very common occurrence in such situations.

 

[JoJo]

Yeah, not really compelled to care. Lame way to go for the kid, but perhaps were not loosing the cure for cancer if she was unable to get out of the way of a slow moving vehicle on a uncrowded side street.

Can we stop with trying to guilt people into being touchy feely hippies? The "love everyone and everything everywhere" thing is not only getting quite old its always been pretty damned impractical.

Wow, I think we have a winner for insensitive comment of the year award, you have obviously never met a 2 year old before if you think any of them have the capacity to knowingly avoid danger in that way. I think now might be a good time for you to turn off your computer and go outside.

 

[AT God]

I wouldn't try to lift something that was obviously heavy enough to kill a person to save a corpse either. Let the paramedics do it with their fancy machines and get back to work.

 

[Eventidal]

Eh, I don't really see the new thing. This happens from time to time. You don't have any idea how often the reverse situation happens though, people calling an ambulance for a sleeping homeless. So I'd say it's not like there's never someone.

I also don't like the experimental settings. Testing this on the busiest street in town is of course going to result in a lot of people walking past because it's a natural reflex to just zone out in a big and noisy surrounding.
There's also the dress factor seeing as somebody dressed like a homeless is of course assumed to be a sleeping homeless person and I don't know about you but I am certainly not going to wake up every junkie, drunkyard or crazy hobo on the street just because "it could be an emergency". There is, I'm sorry to say, a reasonable explanation for EMTs here who want to get kevlar gloves. And I as a private person don't want anybody stabbing at me just because I disturbed his sleep.
Yes, there is a difference. I can assume a guy wearing a suit is not a man of the streets and as such not wont to sleeping in a corner. Somebody with his backpack and sleeping bag in a warm place somewhere in the subway station is less likely to be a medical emergency and as such will be treated differently.

Now I am just speaking of possible unconscious people of course.
Seizures, sudden loss of consciousness and obvious cries for help should at least be an indication for getting an ambulance if you don't feel like being able to administer first-aid.
Which is, of course, bollocks since in this country you are required to take an 8-hour basic first-aid course for your licence. Lateral recumbent position and at least some kind of CPR even if outdated should be possible...

Of course, if the person were to be writhing on the ground, obviously not asleep, and telling people walking by to "help me" then I think the whole "hobo" or "just sleeping" thing goes entirely out the window.

 

[Veylon]

Just as I would like to think that I wouldn't puss out if I was fighting on the beaches of Normandy in World War II, I still have to wonder if I would try to run out of cowardice (though maybe that's not the best example, as there was really nowhere to run in that case...but you get my point).

Even if there was a place to run, you can be shot for cowardice. In a war, it's often safer and easier to go along with the crowd rather than risk standing out. It leads to weird situations where nobody runs away, but only a handful of soldiers actually risk using their weapons.

In any case, the herd mentality is very strong. Helping someone means separating from the crowd in a scenario where there's clear danger. It's against all instinct to make such a move, even more so when there's the additional civilized expectation that the police or government will take care of it. Maybe there ought to be some sort of training to make breaking from the group mentally easier. It would save lives.