Christian Gaming Company Goes "Deep and Wide"

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Lord_Panzer

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OANST said:
Deep and Wide is a Christian children's song. That's the reference. By all means, be juvenile about it, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVjRsPrR7MQ
Thanks for the permission!
[sub]Hehehehe, dicks.[/sub]

If the games are anywhere near as boring as the movies, no sane person will enjoy them.
 

Chairman Meow

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GamesB2 said:
But seriously, good for them i suppose, im just curious why they go for retail in such limited region instead distributing the product online. Would make much more sense.
Because online sales are the work of THE DEVIL.
 

Baby Tea

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It alway fascinates me how chirstians, who fancy themselves a book religion, keep sticking to the idea of violence-free "healthy" media. Has any of these people ever read the bible? That thing is more violent than most fantasy-novels.

I would like to quote psalm 68:21

"Surely God will crush the heads of his enemies, the hairy crowns of those who go on in their sins."


Or another classic: Deuteronomy 7:10

"Rewarding his haters to their face with destruction; he will have no mercy on his hater, but will give him open punishment."

Or curse chirstians are never short of excuses for this kind of stuff, popular ones are:
That's the old testement, jesus reverted that! - Jep, good point, so why exactly keep modern bibles on draging this thing around like a piece of toilet-paper, stuck at ones shoe?

It's open to interpretation, you can't take the bible literary! - I'm always open to suggestions of how to interprete "crush the heads of his enemies" so that it boils down to "Love and happiness forever after."


I'm not trying to spread hate against religious poeple here, I'm trying to raise awareness about why these people thing christian = happy, peace powerpuff-guys.
No, what you're doing is spreading your embarrassingly obvious lack of theological education or understanding.

This article is disappointing, because it was straight up information right until the last line: "God save us all". As if the topic didn't already have the anti-theists on this forum already rubbing their hands at another way to dig at religion (Of course I'm hardly surprised when I browse through the comments and I see it all in the majority of them), that we need to add a completely unnecessary jab like that.

Honestly: I'm embarrassed.
Why can't people just let others have something game-related that reflects their worldview?
No, everyone has to act like this.

Grow up.
 

Therumancer

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Hmm interesting.
I just hope that this means they will actually TRY to make an interesting and fun game now.

Praise Champion just sounds retarded.
Well they try, their results are mixed.

The game that seems to be sparking this is the third "Left Behind" game which is based off of a series of novels, and apparently some movies now. Getting past the foibles of the author(s) who are quite the characters, the basic premise is "what if the Rapture happened". Basically tons of people suddenly vanish into thin air as god collects them, the infrastructure takes a major beating because of it, and society teeters on the bring from the lost as those "left behind" wonder WTF just happened and made all those people disappear.

The Anti-Christ who is part of the UN pretty much steps up and through a combination of charisma and his evil powers takes control of it and pretty much instates a world goverment in record time.

Some people however realize the Rapture for what it was, and set out to redeem themselves and save as many people as possible, while The Anti-Christ works through society to ensure their damnation. This leads to clashes between the Anti-Christ with the armies of the world and the "Tribulation Force" who are the Christian resistance trying to save as many souls as possible in the last days, anyone not saved when the timer ticks down is pretty much damned.

The Left Behind games are a sort of RTS type game, with clashing armies. Battles are fought both militarily, and through propaganda and conversion. The idea being that you try and save the souls of the target as much as possible, but if not practical or it fails you kill them so as to make it easier to save more people in the long run.

The games disturbed a lot of people simply because it involved Christianity, and I believe they made the news because the US military didn't want soldiers playing them overseas (despite a donation of a number of copies) for fear of it upsetting Islamics. Sort of odd because Islam wasn't ever a theme as far as I've seen, it tends to be fairly generic in terms of "our side, and their side".

Truthfully if it wasn't for the Christian angle in the backstory nobody probably would have cared because the mechanics aren't anything especially new from what I've seen, the conversion is just like any other propaganda/conversion/assimilation attack in any other strategy or tactical title. I'm sure we've all played games like "Sins Of A Solar Empire" or whatever where you did the same basic things at some point.

Not trying to say that the games are wonderful, just that they are attempting to make good games that go beyond bible education toys and the like. "Left Behind" being a sort of post apocolyptic heroic fantasy thing based on Christianity. The only thing that really ever made it stand out though was people complaining about it, and trying to make it sound a lot more offensive than it actually looked to me (though as I said, I neither own nor play it).

Truth be told though, the game seemed so average to me that I can't see it competing on a large scale even if people carry it, because these titles just don't seem to have the quality they would need behind them. I (and most people) are more likely to pick up the new "Wahammer 40k: Dawn Of War" type title before that for our escapism because so far none of these attempts have produced top notch games as far as I can see.
 

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Huh it's actually a good idea. They tapped a market that would otherwise have had no business buying games. Sucks that they get such shitty games though :p
 

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Yawn... if I wanted religious stuff, I would be busy being religious.
Even the ultra Christians must be thinking "dude, I just wanna shoot shit".

Comical hyperbole aside, this really isn't drawing me in.
I mean, is this all these games have going for them?
"You might just be the same religion as our main character, come play!"
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
In fact I seem to remember a surging popularity in games based on Buddhist doctrine. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103866-Enslaved-Inspired-by-Journey-to-the-West-and-Moonlighting]
If you win the game, you don't have to play the sequel. [http://apocrypha.badgods.com/posts/buddhistrpg]
 

Gigaguy64

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pdgeorge said:
MarsProbe said:
Gigaguy64 said:
Indeed. On the other hand, a game called "Rise of the Antichrist" almost sounds like it would be fun. But I'm guessing it (probably) isn't.
Agree, the thing is that a lot of people want to make Christian games but water down what was said in the Bible.

I think a Survival Horror Game that takes place in the End times would be an awesome idea.
Trying to survive as the world crumbles around you and people are going insane, maybe even living long enough to see the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, that would be cool

And iv never played "Rise of the Antichrist" but iv heard its pretty bad if not repetitive and boring.
I agree, the potential awesomeness is.. well... awesome.

Things get watered down for a few reasons sadly
1) "G rating or low"
2) "Safe for kids!"
3) Most Christians focus so closely on 'lead a good life' etc. that they forget that 'leading a good life' used to mean "Be a total bad ass!"

Abraham was willing to stab and cook his son because God said "do it" but then didn't
David, destroyed armies and opposed kings to get to where he was. He then sent out a multiple year long search for the son of one of his closest friends turned enemy so that he could say "Hey, according to the promise I had with your father I have to offer you the chance to live with me in the castle to become my son" despite the fact the kid hated him
Soloman, was prepared to CUT A BABY IN HALF to solve a dispute between two bickering women, he then wrote a book for the bible which is a long as hell love letter between two people describing how sexy they think each other are and how much they want to have sex with each other.
Jesus, saw that the church was doing things horribly wrong, so instead of just asking them "please stop doing that" he TORE THE PLACE APART
Peter (disciple), when he was going to be crucified (the most horrible method of execution of the time) he refused to be crucified in the same way as Jesus was so he requested to be crucified UPSIDE DOWN

I don't care whether you believe in the bible/Christianity or not I just have to be honest, Christians today have lost their balls and need a righteous kick up the ass to remind them "Stop being passive aggressive pussies!"
Absolutely freaking agreed.
And it was living in a time where you could be killed in public that the church grew every day.
Now to many people get offended if someone so much as looks at them differently.
One game i really want is a God of War type game Baised around the Story of Sampson.
The man was a beast.
 

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Funny thing being if there was any Islam themed games thered be an uproar


gotta love double standards ;)
I reckon at the rate things are going give it twenty or thirty years and that will change.
 

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The replies to this thread just support my idea that all humans are bigoted jerks who won't tolerate people outside their group. Religion doesn't make you an ass that is a basic human trait. Religion just gives you something to group around and be asses to everybody else.
 

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Doesn't anyone see the irony in a game developer called 'left behind games'? anyone?
Guess not. Standards are slipping.
 

ShadowsofHope

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hem dazon 90 said:
Funny thing being if there was any Islam themed games thered be an uproar


gotta love double standards ;)
Damn you ninja! I swear..

OT: Was it wrong I inferred sexual innuendo for this title (for sheer shit and giggles, even)?
 

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I dunno. I believe the possibility exists for a good game of anything, so a Christian worship game could potentially be good. Some particular examples make me think otherwise, but I won't be playing them so I guess it doesn't matter.

Off topic, I really wanted to like the Left Behind series because it's supposedly really action-packed, bleak and it's about the Biblical end of the world, but then I realized halfway through the first book that all the characters are "bad people" from a hardcore Christian standpoint only, and that it's all a big morality play to say "don't be like them or you'll suffer when the Rapture comes". I was disappoint.
 

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I came across a Christian FPS called Chatechumen at a yard sale once... didn't realize what it was till I got home with it. Made it the whole way through to the end where you fight Satan with a laser sword and hard rock in the background. It was... interesting? Still not sure what I think of it.

So... is this company intending to make games like that? I mean, I guess I cant begrudge people for making games based off of their interests - there's plenty of bass fishing or semi-trucking games that aren't my cup of tea but people buy and play them, after all - but I've always felt like games that call themselves "Christian Games" are kind of trying too hard. I mean, they don't make "Vegetarian Games", for instance.

I'm not saying you can't make a game with the values in them. Ultima 4 focused its entire basis around values that I think most Christians would find acceptable (honor, compassion, honesty, humility, sacrifice, and so forth.) So it's not like its a new thing to have them in games. Building an entire business practice around a single religion seems a little... I dunno... restricting?

Odds are if you're not Christian or at the very least not interested in your entire gaming experience being religion oriented (who says every Christian who plays games doesn't want to play Sonic or Mario every now and then?) then its not going to be terribly appealing to you. Not really the best option if you're trying to sell and make money off of a product.

But hey. That's just me. Not trying to step on anyone's toes here. ^^
 

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they still let "christians" make video games? after theyer "epic" atempt on the NES?

o.0 ... wow ...
some one ether has to much money, or is bored, if it the money, i could use a few mill >.>