Christianity and You!

[Cliff_m85]

Agnosticism answers if we can know. Do you know if there is a god? No. Absolutely not. Everyone who is sane is an agnostic.

"If God exists, he is infinitely important. If God does not exist, he is of no importance. The only thing God cannot be is of moderate importance." CS Lewis I believe.

Also, I do believe you just called the vast majority of the world insane, or at least un-sane. "HEY EVERYONE, IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW MY POINT OF VIEW YOU ARE NOT SANE!"

I'd agree with that. Believing in something with absolutely no proof to the point where you are willing to die for it = insane in my book.


But then if you know 100% for a fact that a deity exists and that it's your specific deity I'd have to consider you unstable.

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

 

[Cliff_m85]

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

I disagree, because first we have to find out if there is a deity and which religion it corresponds with. Because we all know that if we don't worship certain gods then he may throw a *****-fit and toss us in Hell for an eternal punishment.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I have a question: Why do atheists seem to pick on Christianity the most? (I just don't notice you guys talking about Judaism or Islam, like, ever. They're all rather similar.)

'Cause it's the most common I suppose, all the Creationists I see on Youtube are Christians, I only saw two non-Christian Creationists who were Muslim (and one maintained that the Earth was flat). And also it's the one people are most familiar with, I know next to nothing about Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and so on so I'm guessing that's the deal with most American or British Atheists who flame others.

That and it seems like when an Atheist gives an opinion of their religion they tend to go back on "You don't understand it and you're taking quotes out of context" even when you produce long segments of text from the Bible. Most Christian's don't talk about the dark underside to their texts, the stories that deal with rape and incest and beastiality, so when you bring them up they just don't want to hear it.

 

[SecretTacoNinja]

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

I disagree, because first we have to find out if there is a deity and which religion it corresponds with. Because we all know that if we don't worship certain gods then he may throw a *****-fit and toss us in Hell for an eternal punishment.

I like to think that if there is a god he or she is not the cruel, unfeeling sociopath that men make him out to be. Plus there's no chance of finding out if there is a god so...

 

[Madshaw]

The whole hell thing makes sense to me, god is perfect and heaven is his kingdom in which perfection reigns, however he created humanity with free will so of course we are all at some going to do something bad, so he sacrificed a part of himself (jesus) so that we could be with him in heaven, he payed the price for the imperfection to live with the perfection. hell exists away from god (sheol i think is the jewish word for it and it literally means "away from god"), and therefor in hell there is no love and no goodness because all those things come from god, the fire and brimstone might not be exactly what is there, but it makes enough sense to me

 

[Cliff_m85]

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

I disagree, because first we have to find out if there is a deity and which religion it corresponds with. Because we all know that if we don't worship certain gods then he may throw a *****-fit and toss us in Hell for an eternal punishment.

I like to think that if there is a god he or she is not the cruel, unfeeling sociopath that men make him out to be. Plus there's no chance of finding out if there is a god so...

so why even consider it? *shrugs* No clue.

 

[Joeaverage]

Why even consider it? Because someone told you he existed from you were two years old.
Here's a nice example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejihadwatch%2Eorg%2Farchives%2F025424%2Ephp&feature=player_embedded

That is the problem with religion. The indoctrination factor that makes "3 year old muslim" a meaningful statement.

 

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

Seriously? Making a thread is just like asking people to hate each other and spew vitrolic nonsense that is (mostly) unfounded.

Yes, I am a practicing Mormon.
I believe in the Bible, as far as it is translated correctly.
I also believe in the Book of Mormon. (Duh)

You want my opinion?
I love Christianity.
<color=white>Now let's count the people who reference polygamy while quoting me.....

I don't hate Mormons like YOU, I just hate ones who desecrate vital vampire lore to write sparkly vampire smut. See, no polygamy joke.

Anyway, it's gotten so bad with Christianity that nobody really knows what it IS anymore. There exist people who are offended at the idea of the idea that Jesus dined with tax collectors and prostitutes. And Christianity today, particularly the Sydney Diocese of the Anglican Church, is particularly unfriendly to gay people. My school vetoed a showing of Brokeback Mountain when Heath Ledger died for no valid reason.

 

[Kyoufuu]

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

I disagree, because first we have to find out if there is a deity and which religion it corresponds with. Because we all know that if we don't worship certain gods then he may throw a *****-fit and toss us in Hell for an eternal punishment.

I like to think that if there is a god he or she is not the cruel, unfeeling sociopath that men make him out to be. Plus there's no chance of finding out if there is a god so...

Well, we might, after we die. If not, well at least I've lived my life being nice to people.

 

[Chipperz]

I'm what I like to call a realist. The basic idea of my belief structure is that a couple of thousand years ago, some guy started pointing out that life would be great if people tried to help each other out. He was then nailed to a plank before having his name and teachings used to invade other countries, because people are dicks.

I TRY to help people out, but I'm just as human as everyone else.

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

I disagree, because first we have to find out if there is a deity and which religion it corresponds with. Because we all know that if we don't worship certain gods then he may throw a *****-fit and toss us in Hell for an eternal punishment.

See, all I'm getting from you in this thread is a "I don't have faith, so noone else can have any!" vibe. If I get you your own shiney red fire engine, will you leave the other children to enjoy their play time?

 

[Cliff_m85]

I'm what I like to call a realist. The basic idea of my belief structure is that a couple of thousand years ago, some guy started pointing out that life would be great if people tried to help each other out. He was then nailed to a plank before having his name and teachings used to invade other countries, because people are dicks.

I TRY to help people out, but I'm just as human as everyone else.

So, in general:

If there is a God: Thank him, live life and enjoy the world he created.

If there isn't: I'm enjoying the world, and my life as it is.

It's pretty much a win-win.

You, my friend, win this thread.

Indeed he does. \o/

I disagree, because first we have to find out if there is a deity and which religion it corresponds with. Because we all know that if we don't worship certain gods then he may throw a *****-fit and toss us in Hell for an eternal punishment.

See, all I'm getting from you in this thread is a "I don't have faith, so noone else can have any!" vibe. If I get you your own shiney red fire engine, will you leave the other children to enjoy their play time?

My problem with faith is that it's used multiple times to justify horrendous decisions. If such decisions didn't rely on faith I'd have no problems. But faith is preventing people from learning about science as well as hindering it's progress. Odd since science is the only thing that allows us to live up to 100 years old nowadays and survive basic diseases.

 

[Zombie_Fish]

I'm agnostic, so I'm neutral in the debate, but here's my reasons why:

Religion is based almost entirely on beliefs and theory. That almost everyone has to agree with. The bible is not a 100% reliable piece of evidence nor is any other piece of religious evidence.

Science is the study of facts and is mainly based in facts, however, a lot of it, especially the stuff that contradicts the ideas of religion, is also based on theory and not 100% reliable.

Both sources claim to be correct yet it is not known which one is and whether they can be trusted. There is no right answer to be found, as the right answer would be based upon an unreliable source. You can't make a definate arguement either side, so why argue about it?

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

I swear to god, every time I see one of these threads, I can only think 'badge farming' because at this point there's no way a search of the hundreds of Christianity threads couldn't tell you what's being said here, which is either people who don't know what they are talking about and put religion under heavy and unnecessary scrutiny, or people who share beliefs but don't help to do anything but add fuel to the fire.

But what I was about to say, Mr Zombie_Fish has said already.

I'm agnostic, so I'm neutral in the debate, but here's my reasons why:

Religion is based almost entirely on beliefs and theory. That almost everyone has to agree with. The bible is not a 100% reliable piece of evidence nor is any other piece of religious evidence.

Science is the study of facts and is mainly based in facts, however, a lot of it, especially the stuff that contradicts the ideas of religion, is also based on theory and not 100% reliable.

Both sources claim to be correct yet it is not know which one is and whether they can be trusted. There is no right answer to be found, as the right answer would be based upon an unreliable source. You can't make a definate arguement either side, so why argue about it?

And I don't usually say this at all, but

/thread

 

[Vondrakenhof]

I'm an atheist. Have been for about six years now. And the main problem I have with Christianity, indeed the reason I gave up on it in the first place, is the idea that an all powerful God that loves us all would allow all the natural disasters that occur in our world to actually occur. Eg, the tsunami back in 2006 and hurricane Katrina. As such I've come up with a few theories to share with you.

1. All this, all everything is a cosmic coincidence. No God, no afterlife just what we have here. (What I personally believe).

2. God created the entire universe just to see what would happen. (Unlikely, I think a God like this wouldn't bother inventing all the intricate laws of physics that make up the world).

3. God is benign but not all powerful, the Devil is just as powerful. They cancel eachother out. (Newtons third law states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction so why not God?)

These are just my theories make of them what you will.

 

[Computer-Noob]

I'm pretty sure the main reason its so popular is because the people believing it convieniently managed to spread out the most in the world. The whole western world was influenced by it when Europeans began settling. Then all of the other European colonies throughout the world...Kind of allows for the spreading of such a thing. Especially since one of the actions that the settlers did was to introduce their own religion on the natives and locals.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Stop taking Christianity so literally. It's a set of guidelines on how to be a good person

If only they didn't claim that everyone but they were hellbound and unfit to socialize with, we could all accept that and get on with our lives.

Oh, you meant the new age happy-go-lucky "God is Love" Christianity? They're nice, but they don't have a religious book or history to base their beliefs on, so I'd call it a general philosophy instead of a religion. A "Club", if you will.

NO, I mean an average christian, not a stereotypical one

 

[keinushi]

I'm an atheist. Have been for about six years now. And the main problem I have with Christianity, indeed the reason I gave up on it in the first place, is the idea that an all powerful God that loves us all would allow all the natural disasters that occur in our world to actually occur. Eg, the tsunami back in 2006 and hurricane Katrina. As such I've come up with a few theories to share with you.

1. All this, all everything is a cosmic coincidence. No God, no afterlife just what we have here. (What I personally believe).

2. God created the entire universe just to see what would happen. (Unlikely, I think a God like this wouldn't bother inventing all the intricate laws of physics that make up the world).

3. God is benign but not all powerful, the Devil is just as powerful. They cancel eachother out. (Newtons third law states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction so why not God?)

These are just my theories make of them what you will.

The reason there are natural disasters on earth is because of man's initial sin of eating the forbidden fruit. that was when all that was evil on this planet enter in. and the reason there are so many these days is because we are reaching the end of times. there has already been 3 world wars (though only 2 have been called world wars) and the end of times grow nearer and nearer, I would advise that you read revelations before you give up on God.

by the way, if god exists at all, he is not subject to Newton's "laws"