CNN RapeLay Controversy Sparks Angry Response
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He's gonna fail on the grounds that logic and cold hard evidence have no effect on major "news" networks. They'll just put their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalalalala we can't hear you lalalalalala".
OMG YOU ARE A HORRIBLE FRIENDninja_kitty143 said:
*cries in a corner*
See how cruel Ninja is to me?
That's how cruel.
I have PROOF now!
Expecting unbiased reporting out of America media is like squeezing blood from a stone. Yet beyond the surface impression of biased journalism there are some honest cultural commentaries to be made. I am not sure that it looks bad on Japaneese culture so much as it looks bad on America however.
Japaneese culture has a much more accepting view of sexuality. This sounds like a strange statement to some whom are familiar with its sometimes rather strict societal norms, however compared to American culture which demonizes a lot of sexual activities and relationships, Japaneese culture has an idea that sexuality and finding your sexual identity is something that occurs over life.
While if you linger in what they often regard as 'childish' phases overlong you can find yourself dealing with disappointed or upset parents, there's not this huge witchhunt about some of the stuff that American culture seems so in arms about. A perfect example is lesbianism which is regarded largely pretty poorly in American culture to say the least, with the prevalence of fundamentalist christianity, Japaneese culture sees it more as a childish phase a girl eventually grows out of when she settles down with a guy and raises a happy productive family, or so is the ideal, anyways.
To return to the reporting itself for a moment, it smacks of the usual "shock-and-awe" dishonest reporting that is prevalent in America - and to be fair many other places - wherein other countries' behaviours that they deem unacceptable are tarred and feathered for the country to collectively feel better about itself.
The game itself really isn't terribly great, in my opinion. Out of morbid curiosity I googled around for it and honestly other than the fact that it doesn't try to guise up its premise it doesn't seem too different from many other hentai games. Perhaps I'm missing something in not having actually 'played' it, but the things people seem to be reacting to really aren't huge deviations from hentai games or indeed many of the western pornography games either.
Japaneese culture has a much more accepting view of sexuality. This sounds like a strange statement to some whom are familiar with its sometimes rather strict societal norms, however compared to American culture which demonizes a lot of sexual activities and relationships, Japaneese culture has an idea that sexuality and finding your sexual identity is something that occurs over life.
While if you linger in what they often regard as 'childish' phases overlong you can find yourself dealing with disappointed or upset parents, there's not this huge witchhunt about some of the stuff that American culture seems so in arms about. A perfect example is lesbianism which is regarded largely pretty poorly in American culture to say the least, with the prevalence of fundamentalist christianity, Japaneese culture sees it more as a childish phase a girl eventually grows out of when she settles down with a guy and raises a happy productive family, or so is the ideal, anyways.
To return to the reporting itself for a moment, it smacks of the usual "shock-and-awe" dishonest reporting that is prevalent in America - and to be fair many other places - wherein other countries' behaviours that they deem unacceptable are tarred and feathered for the country to collectively feel better about itself.
The game itself really isn't terribly great, in my opinion. Out of morbid curiosity I googled around for it and honestly other than the fact that it doesn't try to guise up its premise it doesn't seem too different from many other hentai games. Perhaps I'm missing something in not having actually 'played' it, but the things people seem to be reacting to really aren't huge deviations from hentai games or indeed many of the western pornography games either.
Point is simply as follows : Don't stammer about how low your instance of sexual crime is when it's really just goes unreported about 90% of the time. It's especially garish in this situation because the men of Japan are the ones keeping it that way, either through intimidation, shaming, or lack of empathy.lucky_sharm said:
As to the game itself? Meh. Let pervs be pervs and make rapists go to jail.
"Touche Honky!"
-Dave Chappelle
*sigh*
Those in the United States have a definition of sex and propriety. When others fail to meet that definition - we tend to twitch a little bit.
Japan has different definitions than those in the United States.
No surprises here.
-Dave Chappelle
*sigh*
Those in the United States have a definition of sex and propriety. When others fail to meet that definition - we tend to twitch a little bit.
Japan has different definitions than those in the United States.
No surprises here.
While I can't say I'm fond of the content of Rapelay, I do have to admire Mr. Nogami for his rational and well thought out retort.
The fact that media companies sensationalize and blow things completely out of proportion is just laughable, and I'm glad that someone finally said something.
Just imagining the outrageous things that Fox would say if they had reported it, pretty much sends me into a laughing fit.
EDIT:// Just did some research. Apparently rape isn't reported 90% of the time in Japan.
The fact that media companies sensationalize and blow things completely out of proportion is just laughable, and I'm glad that someone finally said something.
Just imagining the outrageous things that Fox would say if they had reported it, pretty much sends me into a laughing fit.
EDIT:// Just did some research. Apparently rape isn't reported 90% of the time in Japan.
If this is really what is happening, it is actually not that hard to quantify to any observers from outside the culture with half a brain to see. I'm sure there is rape that goes unreported. You know what, though, there is a ton of rape and molestation that goes unreported in America and the western world as well, so I fail to see that as anything but a strawman argument, myself, until and unless you can provide some more concrete numbers from a few reliable sources.cobrausn said:
Oh SNAP! *whip sound effect*
Well played, Mr. Nogami. Well played.
BTW, is it just me, or is CNN a nice 3+ years late to the debate?
Well played, Mr. Nogami. Well played.
BTW, is it just me, or is CNN a nice 3+ years late to the debate?
Man... no wonder CNN hasn't said anything in responce, the arguement is to good. From the looks of it, CNN either hopes that nobody will ever hear about this letter or they just hope that their blunder will be quickly forgotten.
Firstly, when I see this, I think "Oh, Japan, you crazy mother****ers." Because this is common there, it's a cultural difference and I can understand that.
However, this doesn't mean that it's any less disturbing...I mean rape is still a crime in Japan and I guess the argument is that having them act out all their twisted fantasies in games rather than in real life is why it's not necessarily illegal, but still it's disturbing to think about this sort of content existing in a format that can and does appeal to children.
I mean don't tell me there aren't 12 year olds playing M rated games, because they are, whether it be with parental consent, at friends' houses, or simply because the parent fails to grasp the rating system.
All that said, it's my personal feelings on the issue, I don't see why CNN has to plaster an underground Japanese industry that caters almost exclusively to Japanese people all over the American news where it doesn't belong, but none of that detracts from the fact that these games are completely screwed up no matter how you try to twist them.
However, this doesn't mean that it's any less disturbing...I mean rape is still a crime in Japan and I guess the argument is that having them act out all their twisted fantasies in games rather than in real life is why it's not necessarily illegal, but still it's disturbing to think about this sort of content existing in a format that can and does appeal to children.
I mean don't tell me there aren't 12 year olds playing M rated games, because they are, whether it be with parental consent, at friends' houses, or simply because the parent fails to grasp the rating system.
All that said, it's my personal feelings on the issue, I don't see why CNN has to plaster an underground Japanese industry that caters almost exclusively to Japanese people all over the American news where it doesn't belong, but none of that detracts from the fact that these games are completely screwed up no matter how you try to twist them.
Wow, nogami knows how to tell them. Ever since I saw the first forum where CNN noted RapeLay, I was kinda hopeing that someone would tell them, and even though many users did, they went unnoticed due to the fact that they were still just normal people, which the media is quite good at ignoring.
Thank you Mr.Nogami.
Honestly, I agree with him fully, but you I'm still questioning why should CNN start caring now? It honestly makes no sense to me. Adult Movies are just as easy to obtain, but they never do a story on that nor do they mock the film industry that make them. But as soon as they find a Foriegn pornographic Video Game, they jump in arms.
Honestly, I agree with him fully, but you I'm still questioning why should CNN start caring now? It honestly makes no sense to me. Adult Movies are just as easy to obtain, but they never do a story on that nor do they mock the film industry that make them. But as soon as they find a Foriegn pornographic Video Game, they jump in arms.
OWNED! They pretty much owned CNN and all of America with one fail swoop. Yes, to us Japanese culture can seem a little fucked up and strange but I guess if their crime rates are lower (which isn't hard) then who are we to judge them?
Well-played, Nogami-san. One of my hopes for America is that enough people in the rest of the world tell our idiots to shut their mouths so maybe this country wises up and realizes that "international pariah state" is no way to make a buck.
In other news; Austin McKenzie, who are you, and what closet did you lock John Funk in? I thought he was the guy for the weird Japanese porn beat around here.
In other news; Austin McKenzie, who are you, and what closet did you lock John Funk in? I thought he was the guy for the weird Japanese porn beat around here.