COD Hardcore mode- Leave it to the big boys
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Never played it, but from what it sounds, hardcore basically makes players die faster, and removes standard conventions that the CoD series has in order to make it more difficult for new players.
However, I think an experienced player who knows the maps and knows where people will probably be coming from would not -require- a map, etc...
It seems that positional advantages and careful accuracy are more important here than most other aspects of the game (movement, team focus fire, etc). I would assume that if you have a good position with your team and good communication that you can most likely have a couple snipers far back to pretty much take care of the map for you, or at least control mid in a CTF game (assuming CTF works the same as it does in every other game.)
Again, though, it seems that most of your arsenal is rendered useless in this mode (ie: if you have a one-shot-one-kill mode, who would use an inaccurate machine gun if you have a sniper rifle available instead (and your target is far away)). Odds are there is some optimal setup for perks, weaponry, etc, and that the game takes no more personal skill than DOTA, but it takes patience and teamwork.
However, I think an experienced player who knows the maps and knows where people will probably be coming from would not -require- a map, etc...
It seems that positional advantages and careful accuracy are more important here than most other aspects of the game (movement, team focus fire, etc). I would assume that if you have a good position with your team and good communication that you can most likely have a couple snipers far back to pretty much take care of the map for you, or at least control mid in a CTF game (assuming CTF works the same as it does in every other game.)
Again, though, it seems that most of your arsenal is rendered useless in this mode (ie: if you have a one-shot-one-kill mode, who would use an inaccurate machine gun if you have a sniper rifle available instead (and your target is far away)). Odds are there is some optimal setup for perks, weaponry, etc, and that the game takes no more personal skill than DOTA, but it takes patience and teamwork.
At our LAN's we always play it on hardcore, and everyone are free to join, and even suck as much as they want, as long as they -don't- use the cowardly, insta-kick worthy stuff, like the hated Noobtube and Martyrdom.
I personally love going with my beloved Dragunov, a silenced Beretta for sidearm, UAV jammer, Iron Lungs and Bandolier.
Or, if I have to go more toe to toe, I take my "Eastern Assaulter" class, with a AK-47, pistol, RPG-7, Last Stand and Deep Penetration.
(We hear many hate Last Stand, but it doesn't come close to Martyrdom or even Juggernaut in terms of cowardice, at least you have to -aim yourself- instead of getting a free kill as with Martyrdom)
I personally love going with my beloved Dragunov, a silenced Beretta for sidearm, UAV jammer, Iron Lungs and Bandolier.
Or, if I have to go more toe to toe, I take my "Eastern Assaulter" class, with a AK-47, pistol, RPG-7, Last Stand and Deep Penetration.
(We hear many hate Last Stand, but it doesn't come close to Martyrdom or even Juggernaut in terms of cowardice, at least you have to -aim yourself- instead of getting a free kill as with Martyrdom)
I only play hard core... no radar without UAV, no HUD, and it doesn't take a clip to kill someone...
The only thing that Hardcore requires that other games don't is a knowledge of the map your playing on. In the end, it comes to who sees who first or who's sprinting and who's not. When your enemies location is a shot in the dark, Hardcore comes to be more a game of chance and reflex, while Normal is a game of skill and reflex.
Hardcore is a G3 tag fest, and it doesn't require more skill.
Hardcore requires:
A: A very good connection, as often that'll mean the difference between a good and bad K/D
B: Camping. Put on Dead Silence, UAV Jammer, and a Silencer and camp.
C: Seeing your enemy first. Hardcore only requires you see the guy before he sees you, not much more, and certainly not aim
Aim is not required in Hardcore, as a M9 to the foot from half the map away will usually kill in 1 hit. So you see someone, you simply fire in that direction and you'll probably get a kill. It doesn't require you be able to aim and hit your target more than once.
The lack of map I find to be insanely annoying, not because I can't see red dots, but because I can't see green triangles.
My hardcore setup is as follows:
G3
RPG
Sonic Boom
Martyrdom
and I attempt to see how many allies I can kill in one RPG at the start of the round. Its also fun to screw up your teammates kill streaks with a friendly G3 round to back of the head.
I hate hardcore.
Anyone who complains about "needing a clip to kill someone" sucks at the game and cannot aim. I can kill most people with 2-5 bullets fired with an AK-47 (not all of them hitting), it doesn't require less skill unless you can't aim.
Hardcore requires:
A: A very good connection, as often that'll mean the difference between a good and bad K/D
B: Camping. Put on Dead Silence, UAV Jammer, and a Silencer and camp.
C: Seeing your enemy first. Hardcore only requires you see the guy before he sees you, not much more, and certainly not aim
Aim is not required in Hardcore, as a M9 to the foot from half the map away will usually kill in 1 hit. So you see someone, you simply fire in that direction and you'll probably get a kill. It doesn't require you be able to aim and hit your target more than once.
The lack of map I find to be insanely annoying, not because I can't see red dots, but because I can't see green triangles.
My hardcore setup is as follows:
G3
RPG
Sonic Boom
Martyrdom
and I attempt to see how many allies I can kill in one RPG at the start of the round. Its also fun to screw up your teammates kill streaks with a friendly G3 round to back of the head.
I hate hardcore.
Anyone who complains about "needing a clip to kill someone" sucks at the game and cannot aim. I can kill most people with 2-5 bullets fired with an AK-47 (not all of them hitting), it doesn't require less skill unless you can't aim.
I played hardcore once and probably never will again. I had a 12-3 K/D, but there was some guy who kept trying to blame me for shit like killing teammates and dogs when I wasn't. No matter how bad regular matches get with shit talking, hardcore is 1000% worse.
Gaming takes practice. It takes skills that you are not born with. So we all have to start somewhere. And ragging on someone because they are new after you have the experience is just stupid.miracleofsound said:
And when I said "you" I didn't mean specifically you. I mean you as in a general sense of the one reading it. If it doesn't apply to you specifically then there is no need to get upset.
I was afraid I may have given the impression I was the one ragging on the new players, which would indeed be silly as I am pretty new to online gaming myself (3 months).squid5580 said:
The guys who bully the newbies on LIVE are pretty damn pathetic.
No it doesn't a BAR on W@W on hardcore TDM just 3 bullets and they go down. So I have 17 bullets and I can waste more guys. On regular you just need stopping power to do the same. But you are missing out on like sleight of hand and all of that other good stuff. So it has it's ups and downs. It's based on what kind of player you are.miracleofsound said:
edit- WTH is up with my text?
I used to play hardcore all the time. Now that I've played alot more I've gone back to regular. Hardcore mode absolutely destroys what small amount of weapon balance the game had in the first place, and it completely nullifies lots of perks also. Weapons where their only drawback was small damage such as the M21, Dragunuv, M4, etc now absolutely dominate.
Yes, I agree. I prefer the realism of being shot five times in the chest and then regenerating my health bar. Also, nothing about this game is realistic, save for the types of military and the types of guns. You want realism? Complain that a marine can only run for five seconds before taking a breather. Or whine about your low accuracy, because as a highly trained and skilled member of the SAS, you should hardly ever miss(ie you want complete auto-aim).sean.2k9 said:
Actually, since you seem to know what you are talking about, how quickly does someone die when they are shot? Realistically of course, I don't want to hear about someone getting shot anywhere other than the head and dying in one hit; that would be too unrealistic, because only headshots are one-hit kills if I recall correctly.
OT, I like hardcore when I'm in the mood to think while I play. If I want mindless run-and-gun fun, I go regular.
I don't really play hardcore on COD4, it's not as fun in that game as it is in WaW. I used to frequent a tactical hardcore server which was great fun because it took skill and patience to win the game of S&D. The maps in that game are way better for that type of stuff, being a lot more detailed than cod4
I have no experience with CoD5, but in CoD4 the maps were so small that a single player could cover 30%-60% of a map by shooting through walls. The maps where it was harder there would be places where you could hide and cover large areas of the map.ElephantGuts said:
To clarify, with "bullet spam" I mean how most people play online shooters. Spending at least 3 seconds to shoot at an enemy, never aiming properly and only autoreloading.