Consoles are usually BETTER for getting people into gaming.

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FalloutJack

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The only reason I'm going to comment on this is to say that, by their make-up, consoles were designed specifically for games and computers were well-adapted to it. But adaptation and specific design are different. Your introduction to gaming is on a gaming machine. If you want to branch out to computers, go wild.
 

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I'd say you might be right. I personally find Console FPS controls to be MUCH MUCH easier on a PC, but then, I've been playing games for a long time now, so I don't really count.

Although when it comes to Minecraft, I think you're wrong. Minecraft has attracted quite a diverse audience (with respects to gaming experience).
 

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Not always. My mother was not willing to learn how to use the controller for my PS3. Woman can handle ALL the buttons on her Blackberry, but 16 switches is just too complex apparently. Yes, I told her that it takes time...but I think the controllers are just too much for some people.
 

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Minecraft is actually a great way to teach someone how to play games. Unlike other games, minecraft has no difficulty curve when you put it on peaceful. Sure, people have to look at a crafting wiki, but trust me, non gamers can read just fine. There are 4 things you have to learn to control your character in minecraft: movement (which is actually a step that most gamers don't think about, but for many, controlling something out of body is not a natural experience, we don't think about it because of how much we've done it), holding left click, right clicking to interact, and spacebar to jump. At that point the player can do anything in the world without fucking up (on peaceful). Other games, even easy ones like crackdown, punish the player for being slow or unable to control their character fully. I run a server where two of my friends started playing who have never really played video games before. At the start, they moved very slowly, and couldn't look around and walk at the same time. Now, they both have built homes. Sure, they're still not as good as me, or anyone who plays on the server who played games before this, but they can move at their own pace. It's kind of funny, because I like to connect things on my servers with giant floating bridges that lead to buildings who's sole purpose is to be a giant stairwell. So they have their little houses with this giant skyscraper right across the water.
 

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Sgt. Sykes said:
I don't agree.

First, the console controller is insanely complicated. Especially the shoulder buttons and the right analog stick are something newcomers have troubles understanding.

Second, PCs have tons of simple indie, web-based and social games, which are a good starting point.
Because a controller with a couple of clearly defined, coloured and always useful buttons is more complicated with a keyboard with dozens of similar looking and feeling buttons that could have any kind of function? Riiiight...

Given, while people usually have more experience with using a keyboard and a mouse outside of gaming, they're used oh-so differently in a game. I think the whole spacial awareness thing is a larger issue than the actual controls, on both the PC and consoles.

I'll give you the webgames though. The flash game market is humongous.
 

Vault101

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this is just kinda turning into PC vs console which...well is kinda pointless
 

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Well, pretty much everyone is used to a keyboard + mouse combo because everyone uses a PC nowadays so I believe PC gaming will be more 'natural' to newcomers.
The first game I have ever played was Super Mario on NES, but after I tried the PC, I have preferred the latter ever since. And that was in a time when PCs weren't so mandatory in everyday life as they are today.

I believe the old NES gamepad required less muscle memory than a WASD + mouse combo, but I don't think that's the case with modern gamepads and WASD + mouse.
 

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OutrageousEmu said:
Babitz said:
Well, pretty much everyone is used to a keyboard + mouse combo because everyone uses a PC nowadays so I believe PC gaming will be more 'natural' to newcomers.
No, its use in browsing the internet, in word processing, that is what its natural in. Menu and text based uses. If you carry it over to a non-menu-and-text based game - a shooter, a platformer, an open world game, a non-mmo-rpg - that muscle memory actively works against them. They flounder, trying to apply incompatable instincts. I've seen it before.
That's still more comfortable than trying out an entirely different concept with a device you have never used before, but I may be wrong.
It's probably more a case of personal preference, as I myself have always preferred the keyboard + mouse variation over a gamepad which I am also very comfortable with.
 

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Woodsey said:
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Woodsey said:
OK, so buy it in a shop. Really, if you've used iTunes, you'd be fine. Steam has a much cleaner interface than the PS3 or its store, incidentally.

Also: contrary to popular belief, PC games don't have this amazingly huge chance of crapping out on you. Likewise, consoles aren't impervious to it.
Sure console games aren't always going to work but let's be realistic about the odds of that. You'll see a console game not work, what, maybe 1% of the time? On the PC even if we're generous and say that a standard PC game will not work without extra work on a standard non gamers PC maybe a low ball of 5% of the time, that's still a huge difference. Remember, to a non gamer any extra work, or even the threat of it, has the potential to be a huge turn off.

Also, maybe it's different where you live, but where I live (Canada) you don't really find PC games prominently displayed in stores. You walk into even a dedicated game store and, while faced with a world of choices for any console or handheld, the PC section is tiny and either only has the biggest/newest titles or has the good stuff mixed in with shovelware I wouldn't force on my worst enemy. Going into a store here and looking for a PC game is almost an advertisement to not buy a PC game at all.
Well they're not much better here, although they do sell major releases still - but then you seemed to be working from the view of people who are completely computer illiterate. If people cope with Amazon (the messiest fucking website I've ever laid eyes on), they would cope with Steam. Of course, you could order your game off of Amazon as well. And I seem to remember a certain console at one point not too long ago having an estimated 30-50% complete hardware failure rate.
just out of interest what game stores do they have in the UK?

because here in Aus the PC game retail situation...while hit and miss at times doesnt seem to be as bad as in other countries, with EB games and JB HI FI, I mean I get all my games retail

I once walked into a GAME store, the selection...(even for consoles) was kinda pathetic, anyway I imagine the PC section there would be an indicator of what things are in other countries
 

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I think Nintendo is the best way to introduce people to games. (so short answer, yes, consoles.) What better way to really grab someone than to show some of the crazy gravity-flipping gameplay of SMG2? Or for something simpler, Mario Kart or New SMB Wii. I've seen people who call themselves gamers get lost in the controls of a simple Halo game, not even understanding how to move and aim at the same time. At least with Nintendo, you have Wii pointer controls which are easier to grasp. Or you're not stuck with move/aim on 2 sticks, shoot, reload, jump, climb, interact... it can get very daunting to a newcomer. The stories and presentation might be more up their alley but I can't see someone completely NEW to games being anywhere near able to play the Resistances, Uncharteds, Crackdowns and Prototypes.
 

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OutrageousEmu said:
hawkeye52 said:
This is probably because all the games which market cheap thrills and instant rewards moved over the console market
Hello, person who's never heard of Farmville.
Woodsey said:
kman123 said:
Of course consoles are better to introduce people into gaming. It's way, WAY, WAY more simpler to plug in a console, hit the open tray button, insert disc and close tray and connect the controller, rather than...I don't want to go through a PC process. And there's also no guarantee the game may run on your computer in the first place.
Yes, the troublesome PC process of clicking buy, downloading the game, clicking install and then playing the game.
And then having the game crash as you don't have the right graphics card, then having the graphics card reject your Sound card, then having your sound card not work with your OS, then having to get a new version of flash, then finding it causes major problems with your browser, then finding out the thing claiming to be a download for your sound card was a virus, then finding out your antivirus software is incompatible with both your sound drivers and your video programs......
wow just wow. you honestly managed to list up the most unlikely set of circumstances ever. If this had ever happened to your comp then i just pity you because it not only means that you are rather crap at finding new parts for your comp but also means that you are inept at finding drivers if you managed to DL a virus. Also most if not all PC games will run on an average system that you can just buy from dell (thats a horrible idea in itself just because they are overpriced) and it will be a good few years before you even need to think of getting any new parts and that just if you want to make everything look pretty as you could just run low graphics.

Also farmville is a different brand of games where it employs hard fast skinner psychology and just prays on people who visit facebook to much. TBH its barely a game. more a chore or hand eye coordination training since there is no overall arching goal other then get bigger farm by spamming friends to come to yours.
 

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Well, actually I've found mouse controls much more naturally intuitive for shooters, and getting newcomers into them.

It's probably more the fact that Pcs are more solitary gaming experiences. I haven't had any problems getting my girlfriend into Pc games though. In fact, I started with Portal.
 

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I think a lot of PC gamers have been so into their platform of choice for so long that they can't relate to the fact that many of us don't really understand computers beyond surface-level tasks.

Yeah but on the other hand how many people bother to try to relate to, for example, the amount of effort many PC gamers put into acquiring whatever knowledge they do have? Or at least relate to why they might have bothered doing so?