Convicted rapist wins his case to be moved into a womens prison.

[akwardwhistle]

Ergh, that is why we should bring the coliseum back and have criminals fight to the death for our joy.

 

[Outcast107]

I would just like to put out it says attempted rape. Meaning, he try to, but got caught/stop before he could. Though he and other rapists should all just get their junk cut off and killed. For woman rapist, just killed. Cause rape is I believe the worst thing happen to a person. Murder is bad, but rape just make the victim almost a empty shell. Cause it to me, most likely breaks the trust/love thing that sex brings. Anyways, don't know how far the guy got with the woman, but hopefully he got his ass kick before sent to jail. But I hate how a lot of people are protecting the people doing the crimes instead of the victims.

 

[JanatUrlich]

I agree with the judges decision 100%

This person obviously has very deepseated gender issues and leaving them in a male prison will only aggravate these problems. The sex change in the female prison may help them be rehabilitated into society which is the obvious goal of all prisons

I would think that you would be upset that the money that you worked for is being spent on anti productive projects like a prisoner getting a sex change because he has some issues. But if you are in prison already then you are bond to have issues, so lets fix every prisoners problems through the works of surgery.

After that is passed prisoners can get penis enlargement surgery because they felt insecure.
:/

I'd be perfectly happy for a person to be rehabilitated by any means necessary. It's not anti-productive if this person manages to get over his problems by becoming a woman. The article states that he's wanted the operation for a long time. And anyway, rape isn't as common in prison as people like to think. Vulnerable prisoners are kept in a separate wing. There's hardly any chance for rape to occur.

Obviously surgery isn't the answer for everyone, but if it'll help this man than I am genuinely all for it

 

[theultimateend]

I find the entire concpet of changing ones gender to be seriously flawed. For a start its superficial and having the desire to mutilate ones genitals and take maunfactured steroids does not entile one to have special treatment, especially when its on somebody elses money. Serious why sould the taxpayer front a convicted killers psycological issues. If he was not in jail he probably couldnt afford the surgery he requires and even then he wouldnt get any recognition for it. Gender is decided at birth, its not something you get a vote on , its one of the things in life you have to just deal with.

If I remember correctly in Psychology you are told that it isn't the gender of someone that is decided at birth it is the Sex.

One is more sociological than the other (as in gender roles). All over the world different countries have very different gender roles.

But generally these topics devolve into bashing folks who are sexually confused so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Outcast107]

Ergh, that is why we should bring the coliseum back and have criminals fight to the death for our joy.

That doesn't sound like a bad idea. Maybe have murders fight each other, while rapist fight wild animals. Lions, tigers, bears, o my.(bad joke, but I like it)

 

[Kiutu]

Then I refue to look at you as a man. Real men arent ignorant fucks.

My only problem is the public paying for it.

I bet you would look at me as a man if i tried to follow you into the womans bathroom wouldnt you. It is not ignorence, in fact i happen to be quite a tolerant and accepting person. But even i draw lines, Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken, and cutting your junk in half and sticking it inside you does not make you a woman. Would you really accept this person as a woman, or any gender changer for that matter? Im not suggesting i impose my morale code on them, im not saying what they are doing is wrong, i simply do not believe that a sex op qualifies for a gender change. If the choose to believe otherwise then more power to em but it shouldnt affect me. Taxes should not be used for somebody to challenge gender philosophy in teh court system tahts already overcrowded with serious problems. It is you who are ignorent here attempting to belittle my opinion just because it goes against your own by the way.

If you want to look at trans women as not women, then I wont look at people like you as whatever you say YOU are. I am merely doing the same as you. Sex and Gender are two different things. Gender is not based on one's crotch. It is more than just clothes and even parts.

I do however compliment you on knowing better than saying 'chopping your nuts off' and being actually accurate on how that works.

 

[Mcface]

meh.. good for him

No its not good for him, its damn sick.

dude should be publicly executed.

Rather than the pay 100 grand for the scumbag, you can pay 25 cents with a single bullet to the dome.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

A rapist who found pleasure of having sex with women wants to be one? ...I wonder who is more confused, me or the criminal?

 

[Epitome]

I find the entire concpet of changing ones gender to be seriously flawed. For a start its superficial and having the desire to mutilate ones genitals and take maunfactured steroids does not entile one to have special treatment, especially when its on somebody elses money. Serious why sould the taxpayer front a convicted killers psycological issues. If he was not in jail he probably couldnt afford the surgery he requires and even then he wouldnt get any recognition for it. Gender is decided at birth, its not something you get a vote on , its one of the things in life you have to just deal with.

If I remember correctly in Psychology you are told that it isn't the gender of someone that is decided at birth it is the Sex.

One is more sociological than the other (as in gender roles). All over the world different countries have very different gender roles.

But generally these topics devolve into bashing folks who are sexually confused so I'll leave it at that.

You wont find any bashing here with me. So you think if a boy is never told he is a boy and is dressed in pink and brought up as a girl , when he comes of age to realise what has been done to him and refuses to change he has a right to be reclassified as a girl ad recieve a sex change? Or is he (and i use this term in a medical sense not a bashing sense) "sick" and to be prescribed therapy to return him to his true gender?

By the way you said you were told n psycology, do you agree with it? Allowing people to decide what gender they are seems counter-intuitive to most people, in class do you accept what is said?

 

[Mcface]

Then I refue to look at you as a man. Real men arent ignorant fucks.

My only problem is the public paying for it.

So I'm ignorant because I dont think thats right?
I dont understand how society became so stupid and backwards, to where the guy who thinks its stupid for a dude to cut his penis off and act like a woman, is the ignorant one.

 

[BarkBark]

I agree with the judges decision 100%

This person obviously has very deepseated gender issues and leaving them in a male prison will only aggravate these problems. The sex change in the female prison may help them be rehabilitated into society which is the obvious goal of all prisons

I would think that you would be upset that the money that you worked for is being spent on anti productive projects like a prisoner getting a sex change because he has some issues. But if you are in prison already then you are bond to have issues, so lets fix every prisoners problems through the works of surgery.

After that is passed prisoners can get penis enlargement surgery because they felt insecure.
:/

I'd be perfectly happy for a person to be rehabilitated by any means necessary. It's not anti-productive if this person manages to get over his problems by becoming a woman. The article states that he's wanted the operation for a long time. And anyway, rape isn't as common in prison as people like to think. Vulnerable prisoners are kept in a separate wing. There's hardly any chance for rape to occur.

Obviously surgery isn't the answer for everyone, but if it'll help this man than I am genuinely all for it

Well that's great for you. Then you can give your money to the charity fund for prisoners who want cosmetic surgery. But I would think that most people don't like there money being spent in such a way. I think people would like the taxes to be spent for the greater good of society, and not just one man's wants to become a women-ish creation.

 

[Stabby Joe]

Why does this guy remind me of Ed Gein?

On a side note a gay rapist would NOT like it in prison since many rapists are in it for the power, not just the sex and of course if you're the one getting pounded, that's hardly a position of power. Further more you could get violently assaulted or even killed, with many sexual offenders besides rapists (flashers, paedophiles etc) being transferred to a safe part of a prison for their own protection.

 

[Epitome]

If you want to look at trans women as not women, then I wont look at people like you as whatever you say YOU are. I am merely doing the same as you. Sex and Gender are two different things. Gender is not based on one's crotch. It is more than just clothes and even parts.

I do however compliment you on knowing better than saying 'chopping your nuts off' and being actually accurate on how that works.

Thank you, i do attempt not to enter debate unless ihave some idea of what i am talking about. Also it should be pointed out that i respect your position on the subject and am not about to try and force you to my way of thinking.

Now while i belive that Sex and gender are different things i do believe in a fundamental association between the two. Physiology has a large part to play in ones gender though. If we were all born asexual then everybody would be free to choose and gender would not be an ssue.We are not though , we are born either male and female. In todays (relatively) increasingly tolerant society amny of teh boundaries between teh genders have been torn down. this does not mean we can start jumping ship.

Imagine for me if you will one of these trans women gets so involved in their delusion that they believe they are pregnant and proceeded to stuff pillows up their shirt for 9 months. Would you then feel we should allow them say maternity leave, child support etc I knwo this is an extreme example btw i am simply illustrating that we must draw a line where physiology enters the debate even if it is one this extreme. Gender and Sex may be seperate things but there will always be an association between the two.

 

[Roamin11]

If he loses his penis, then I don't see any problem, otherwise, that's the worst judge ever.

He hasn't had the change yet has he.... I thoght the change was going to be made after the sentance.....

 

[Kiutu]

If you want to look at trans women as not women, then I wont look at people like you as whatever you say YOU are. I am merely doing the same as you. Sex and Gender are two different things. Gender is not based on one's crotch. It is more than just clothes and even parts.

I do however compliment you on knowing better than saying 'chopping your nuts off' and being actually accurate on how that works.

Thank you, i do attempt not to enter debate unless ihave some idea of what i am talking about. Also it should be pointed out that i respect your position on the subject and am not about to try and force you to my way of thinking.

Now while i belive that Sex and gender are different things i do believe in a fundamental association between the two. Physiology has a large part to play in ones gender though. If we were all born asexual then everybody would be free to choose and gender would not be an ssue.We are not though , we are born either male and female. In todays (relatively) increasingly tolerant society amny of teh boundaries between teh genders have been torn down. this does not mean we can start jumping ship.

Imagine for me if you will one of these trans women gets so involved in their delusion that they believe they are pregnant and proceeded to stuff pillows up their shirt for 9 months. Would you then feel we should allow them say maternity leave, child support etc I knwo this is an extreme example btw i am simply illustrating that we must draw a line where physiology enters the debate even if it is one this extreme. Gender and Sex may be seperate things but there will always be an association between the two.

In that logic, then Gays should not be allowed to marry. Because well...if we let men marry men, they may want to marry their dogs next. Now unless you agree with that too, then your thinking is flawed. (ok, either way I would feel there is flawed thinking involved..but I think you know what I mean)

I will go on however. What about infertile women? They could try that too, and they should not be allowed maternity leave, but are still women. However if they find a way to allow trans women (and likely infertile women too obviously) to becoem pregnant, THEN they SHOULD get maternity leave in that case.

 

[theultimateend]

I find the entire concpet of changing ones gender to be seriously flawed. For a start its superficial and having the desire to mutilate ones genitals and take maunfactured steroids does not entile one to have special treatment, especially when its on somebody elses money. Serious why sould the taxpayer front a convicted killers psycological issues. If he was not in jail he probably couldnt afford the surgery he requires and even then he wouldnt get any recognition for it. Gender is decided at birth, its not something you get a vote on , its one of the things in life you have to just deal with.

If I remember correctly in Psychology you are told that it isn't the gender of someone that is decided at birth it is the Sex.

One is more sociological than the other (as in gender roles). All over the world different countries have very different gender roles.

But generally these topics devolve into bashing folks who are sexually confused so I'll leave it at that.

You wont find any bashing here with me. So you think if a boy is never told he is a boy and is dressed in pink and brought up as a girl , when he comes of age to realise what has been done to him and refuses to change he has a right to be reclassified as a girl ad recieve a sex change? Or is he (and i use this term in a medical sense not a bashing sense) "sick" and to be prescribed therapy to return him to his true gender?

By the way you said you were told n psycology, do you agree with it? Allowing people to decide what gender they are seems counter-intuitive to most people, in class do you accept what is said?

You know at a certain point in history saying the world was round or not in the center of the universe also seemed counter intuitive to most people.

What does it mean to be a boy? Is it your genitals? Is it your hormones? What do these two things entail? Are you supposed to work, are you supposed to like sports, should you scratch your groin?

What is it to be a girl?

Sexually it breaks down to the biology. But you aren't asking me about sex. You are asking me about gender.

Gender roles are fluid. Even in the US gender roles have changed since my parents (and to a lesser extent I) have been alive. In my Father's early years women were expected to stay at home and most advertisements towards 'house products' were geared towards them. Men were supposed to be rugged and be in the military.

However even the slowest person should hopefully notice how subjective the entire thing is.

Keep in mind your 'sick' therapy is not unlike what religious groups used to do to nonbelievers. Parents were generally burned alive if they didn't convert and their children were stolen and 're-educated'.

Gender is at its core entirely a lifestyle choice and not much more.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Wouldn't a male prison be like a sweetshop for a gay rapist?

Where does it say that he's gay?

The general assumption is if someone is getting a complete sex change operation is that they likely prefer to have sex within their own "natural" gender.

 

[theultimateend]

Wouldn't a male prison be like a sweetshop for a gay rapist?

Where does it say that he's gay?

The general assumption is if someone is getting a complete sex change operation is that they likely prefer to have sex within their own "natural" gender.

I think the word you might have been looking for was "misconception".

 

[Epitome]

In that logic, then Gays should not be allowed to marry. Because well...if we let men marry men, they may want to marry their dogs next. Now unless you agree with that too, then your thinking is flawed. (ok, either way I would feel there is flawed thinking involved..but I think you know what I mean)

I will go on however. What about infertile women? They could try that too, and they should not be allowed maternity leave, but are still women. However if they find a way to allow trans women (and likely infertile women too obviously) to becoem pregnant, THEN they SHOULD get maternity leave in that case.

You would class infertile and trans women in the same category with regards to childbirth? If the day ever comes when we can completely change a mans body into a womans, womb, hormones and all then i may lessen my stance on the issue. But first it think that research has some pretty strong ethical considerations that start bordering playing God.

For now though the change is superficial. Infertile women are infertile to a natural physiological problem or unfortuate accident. When born they should not be able to bear children, when tran's women are born they should not. Childbirth most definately falls under the Sex issue as reproduction is an entirely physical event. Your sex at birth should decide child bearing capabilitys not your believed gender. to permit trans's to give birth by implanting a womb is alot differant than repairing an infertile womans womb.

lol yes i think i get what you are trying to say about the gay communitys rights but inter-speciesism i think we can both draw a line at I wasnt trying to make a slippery slope arguement however, im saying that we must define a limit to where trans wishes they were a differant sex impinge upon teh rest of society. Taking the gay community as example i have no problem with them marrying or civil partnershiping (well there are some minor issues i have but suffice to say i dont oppose it) but when there is talk of say gay couples adopting children then i have to start questioning aspects of it. The gay community can be as gay as it likes an i will respect that so long as they dont demand to start impinging on my social groups BECAUSE they are gay. I use emphasis there to denote that being gay does not entitle you to force others to change or even accept you.

 

[ShadowKatt]

Maybe I should go to jail. Roof over my head, three meals a day, no rent, free utilities, and all my needs catered to. Why the hell should I work a full week, come home and take care of a house, a car, and live a broke life?