Cop Tasers Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state

[Fertro]

Oh well, it happens. Blaming the cop for being lazy is ridiculous. Chances are, you would have done the same thing.

 

[NightHawk21]

I didn't read the article (and I'm not going too after someone posted a beautiful timbit that shows just how impartial it is), but she doesn't appear to be in a vegetative state, she managed to sit up, lay down and move her arms.

Also you can't fault really fault the cops here. She started to run after being restrained and someone else said she was high out of her mind. You can't reason with people that don't have the capacity to reason.

 

[godofallu]

I'm sorry, what?
Take a step?
Yea, a full out escape/run from police station is not a step.

Please answer the question, yes or no is sufficient. Is murder justified?

You're being ridiculous. You can't just go all crazy on someone who is being perfectly reasonable.

Take a step = murder? What are you babbling about.

OP: While it is a pretty disturbing video, at the end of the day she was resisting arrest and everyone knows that's a bad idea. The fact that she was a criminal, and a very stupid one at that makes people care even less.

He should have chased her down, but tazing her was also acceptable IMO. Freak accidents happen, just be happy it wasn't a cop dying this time.

 

[Bat Vader]

Hopefully this teaches people that running from the police is a foolish idea and that it can lead to even worse consequences. Running from the police is one of the dumbest things a person can do.

 

[Eri]

just be happy it wasn't a cop dying this time.

Unfortunately, most people here would probably rather a cop die than someone else. If only they knew how many stories never get told where a cop does great things, or where a cop dies and no one notices except other cops.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Oh god, another one of these "HEARTLESS MONSTER COP MUNCHES ON BABY'S SKULL" threads.

People, people. She was resisting arrest, in which case the use of force is authorized

Actually no, it is their job to chase a running subject down. If they resist with force they are authorized to use force, but if they resist with escape they arent. If they resist with escape 'after' using force you can shoot them in the leg or something. There are some pretty strict rules on the subject and im not a policeman so I dont know more than some basics, but yea. No. You are not allowed to use a tazer on a running girl.

Well you obviously have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

You dont even know the basics like you claim to.

The very first thing you learn, is that you NEVER draw your weapon unless you are planning on killing with it. You dont aim for the leg or anything, when you use a gun you use it to kill, it is not a less than lethal weapon, you dont use it to disable, you use it to kill, and you treat that power with respect.

And yes, you are allowed to use a tazer on a running girl, he did, it was allowed, he was cleared of ANY wrong doing.

Oh well, maybe its different from where we live. Over here shit has to go down for police to even be allowed to use physical force for apprehension, I forget that the US is a bit more. . . . Liberal, with their laws surrounding lethal weaponry.

 

[Zenn3k]

I wouldn't be surprised if she was faking.

She sat up, she isn't a vegetable if she can sit up after being tazed. Clearly she did not hit her head very hard, even from the video you can see she did not hit it much at all...her hands were in FRONT of her, so she had the ability to break her fall somewhat, even though she was cuffed.

From what I understand, she wasn't exactly a model citizen anyway, so its hard to feel bad for her.

Karma catches up with everyone.

 

[Darkmantle]

he was right on her asshe didn't need the taser. If she had more of a lead on him I'd say let it slide, but he was WAY too close to call that justified.

 

[omega 616]

Which is why it says in the English highway code don't swerve for any animal, instead of a dog dying a few people did.

If you really want to avoid hitting something, emergency brake, providing the people behind aren't stupidly close there should be no problem. Swerving is a stupid idea, can hit anything when you do and you lose control. Braking just means a little whiplash and maybe a few sore heads from butting things (for people no wearing seat belts).

ABS is designed for harsh braking and having a safe distance is there so if there is an emergency braking person in front it means you don't ram them.

While I applaud how well you handled the situation while 1) not being there 2) sitting comfortably in front of a screen, I can only hope that everybody else preserve the peace of mind like you did when two people suddenly jump in front of them while on the highway. Also, I hope all drivers who do see in their way, treat them like dogs and hit them, rather than risk their own safety because they all think rationally and calmly under such situations.

And I'm sure that if the girl managed to run to a street/highway and got hit by a car nobody would question why didn't the police officer stop her sooner when he had the means. Tackling/tasing her is certainly not preferable to a traffic accident.

You thoroughly debunked my two anecdotal evidence and now we must bow down to your one.

...

Frankly, you come across as a bit short-sighted. Lose our sense of humour? That sounded incredibly offensive to me. You didn't seem to take injury and death seriously. Furthermore, thanks to these words you actually sounded like a little kid trying to argue. Why should I value your words when you don't mean to be taken so seriously?

You need to lighten the fuck up, I like bad taste jokes. Since jokes never hurt anybody and they only serve to lighten a mood, where is the harm? After I saw that kid get knocked over the person I was stood with said "OMG the driver is so panicked", to which I said "I know bonnets can be quite expensive sometimes" ... I got some nasty looks for that one. Joking doesn't harm anybody, I didn't want the kid to be hurt or die (he didn't) but being all "omg is he ok, I am so worried and frightened" doesn't help or hurt the kid so why not joke about it?

So what if you were offended, nothing happens to you. All that happens is you sound like a guilt tripper or whiny, like those people who banned that xbox advert where the person is born, flies through the sky and then crashes into his grave. You tell me you were offended to girl trip into making me think I am bad person or something? You must be one easily offended person if I say something about somebody you don't even know or haven't met.

Anyway, on to the meat of the subject.

Everybody in this thread is doing exactly what I am doing, like your examples on the first page with the whole "turning corners" stuff, you are making assumptions there. I am saying what is taught in the UK and why it is that way, to me it makes the most sense ... you see something dart in front of you so you brake hard. Swerving is stupid in all cases, you either smash into parked cars, smash into on coming traffic, basically change lanes without warning or go off road.

The worst you do with braking is knock the thing over that you slammed on for, which is bad depending on the speed when you hit it. Slamming on at 30 would knock them over without much injury, at 60 they will have broken legs and some other trauma.

Imagine being on a motorbike and instinctively choosing to swerve? You = fucked! No, always slam on.

If she had have been hit by a car going 60 of course she would have been worse off than getting tazerd but then the cop would have been scott free 'cos it was her own actions that resulted from that. Not some cop being too lazy to chase her.

Although I have no clue how true it is there is a motorway out of shot, I am taking peoples word for it. I don't know why I am taking peoples word for it 'cos they must have no clue either unless they are from the place the vid is from.

People in this thread treat criminals like dogs anyway, just read some of these "***** had it coming" posts, it sounds like a "you break the smallest law and you're a slave in the 40's ... you have no rights and are allowed to be beaten for farting wrongly" and you say "I don't seem to take injury and death seriously".

Just look at the second paragraph of the guy below you posted ....

I am not saying somebody running out in front of you is when you are calm and collected, in fact I know it's a time you clench up and panic but that is no excuse for yanking the wheel 90 degrees one way, closing your eyes and praying you don't hurt anything.

So 'cos you have two pieces of anecdotal evidence, which is next to no evidence anyway, you "beat" me? What kind of limp argument is that? Come on you can do better than that, anybody can. Might have well just said "I win 'cos I said"....

A criminal is still a person and should be treated as such, not "you did bad thing now pay!". The entire country isn't "obey the law or have the snot beaten into you then charged".

Rules and regulations are there to make sure justice is served no vengeance then justice. It is cops duty to protect and serve people not protect only the good and serve ass whoopings to anybody who steps out of line.

If they step out of line warn them and if they run chase them and capture safely again, minimize accidents ... especially in a country where suing people is a constant thing that happens over every little thing.

I do sometimes think UK police are a little too soft but I rarely see American cops be anything but severe.

The cop could not have foreseen the extent of injures a taser caused the girl. A cook serves peanuts to a diner who is allergic but the diner never informed the cook. Is the cook now a sadistic murderer?

She was involved in two crash crashes where she fled the scene of the accident, with out exchanging insurance information or even stopping to check if the other parties had any injures. She was also high on drugs. How many warning do you give this person? What happens if she got into another car and killed someone? I guess we have to forgive her and let her off with another warning cause at the end of the day she is still a person

It is up to the person ordering to make sure of the whole nut thing and not order something with nuts in ... What kind of weird argument is that? One of those straw men ones? Me thinks so.

She is still a person no matter what she does, while I think some people should be treated less than people (dictators mainly), what she did wasn't that bad in the grand scheme of things. At most she was a druggie who made a few mistakes that day.

She hurt a few people and put others at risk, at risk means next to nothing 'cos people who drive cars safely put people at risk (hit a patch of oil or ice, slide and kill somebody. Changing the radio and cross into the next lane etc). What she did that day doesn't make her some pond scum who should be treated as such, it makes her a human who made mistakes.

What happens you got into a car and killed somebody? The slippery slope argument is crap, should everything go 3 MPH and be coated in thick foam so we all can't hurt each other? I don't think her intention when she woke up was hurt people, as much as drink drivers don't. They all aim to get some place else, not go on a killing rampage GTA style.

If she got into another car you start adding more crimes onto her list of hit and runs, drug abuse, fleeing custody etc. You can't just assume she is going to kill or hurt if she escapes, she might just run to her house or a friends.

It's a human not some wild beast you must stop at all costs, have some humanity.

 

[SonofaJohannes]

I'm with the police on this one. She ran away, so she kinda had it coming.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

While it's unfortunate that she became injured, there's always consequences for what you do.
She became a drug addict, she caused two hit and runs(possibly injuring innocent people), and ran from the law.

She did everything wrong and she got herself in this position.

No human deserves to suffer pain, but her actions had...unfortunate consequences.

Let me just clarify something, as someone who has been there.

She became a drug addict,

--Most likely NOT her fault

she caused two hit and runs

--Undoubtedly her fault if true

 

[manic_depressive13]

Don't you need a certain level of fitness to join the police force?

 

[Corporal Yakob]

Oh god, another one of these "HEARTLESS MONSTER COP MUNCHES ON BABY'S SKULL" threads.

People, people. She was resisting arrest, in which case the use of force is authorized, and in this case, necessary. Secondly, he used a taser; her brain injury resulted from her falling and slamming her head on the pavement afterward. If you say he should have chased her down instead, without a weapon, his only option would have been to tackle her to the ground, which would have produced the exact same result. Thirdly, it's easy to be a judgmental bastard from behind your keyboard where you can pick apart every little detail of the situation using as much time as you need. The fact is, this cop was only doing his job, and his actions fell well within established protocol.

I was going to post something along the lines of "Oh ye bastard that looked like it hurt, still, don't run from the police" but then I saw this comment and decided to quote (steal) it because its much better. This incident is unfortunate but lets remember that she ran away from the police while cuffed instead of complying and the cop was not a blood thirsty madman.

 

[DeleteThisAcc]

She was on drugs, and running from police is STUPID.

But wtf is with americans? Fat cops that can not sprint for few meters should do desk jobs. (He claimed that he did not want to tackle her as he thought she would get hurt... DO THEY RECEIVE TRAINING HOW TO TACKLE PEOPLE AT ALL?! or is it only their experience in american "football" (one more reason to play rugby - learn how to tackle in less dangerous way))

Anyway, excessive use of force here is obvious.

 

[kasperbbs]

Well she was a criminal that tried to run and got hurt because of yet another stupid decision she made, i can't really blame the cop, he couldnt have known that this would happen.

 

[KnowYourOnion]

Moral of the Story

Don't think you're some hardass who's going to get away and your ass won't get tazered.
"Oh no poor girl, boo hoo!"
Dumb broad shouldn't have acted stupid, cause now she really is.

You're the argument for compulsory sterilisation at birth

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

The fact that she started doing drugs is her fault, unless someone held her down and forced her to smoke/inject the drugs and shoved those pills down her throat.

The fact that she got addicted would also be her fault as well for doing them in the first place.

Well, I respectfully disagree.