Could America be invaded?

[historybuff]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

Firstly, I'd assume that person would take them all because, uh, invading troops aren't like a zombie invasion that will just walk into your line of fire. Obviously, we wouldn't stay home--if there truly was an invasion, we would band together, not stay home. So, you'd take your ammunition and shit with you.

Have you ever tried carring a shotgun, an assault rifle, two pistols and ammo for all of them for a long distance? I said to take the AR-15 because the ammo is relatively compact and light, so you can kill more efficiently with it. It also has a greater range, and buckshot is stopped by most body armour, especially military grade. This also leaves more room for food and other useful items.

I was being sarcastic. o_o

Hahahaha! Whoops. Clearly, I got really into this discussion! \o/

 

[Zombie Badger]

Have you ever tried carring a shotgun, an assault rifle, two pistols and ammo for all of them for a long distance? I said to take the AR-15 because the ammo is relatively compact and light, so you can kill more efficiently with it. It also has a greater range, and buckshot is stopped by most body armour, especially military grade.

Better to stuff it all in a duffle bag and take it with you---rather than leave it for a looting military force. I wouldn't leave it behind. And, if you band up with others, you'll have weapons to share. (We like to share!)

Good point, but I doubt the invading military would trade their government issue assault rifle (For Russia or China, a new AK model or possible a Groza, and a QBZ-95, respectively), for a civilian shotgun. I would recommend taking as many rifles as possible in your duffle bag, and pistols for backup. However, if you band up with others, make sure to teach them basic firearm handling. The last thing you'd want in your group of resistance fighters is for someone to shoot themselves in the arse because they tucked their pistol into their jeans 'gangsta style' and left the safety off (Check the Darwin Awards for hilarious stories about this).

 

[deathstrikesquirrel]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Facing international consequences and huge plots of burned land to do nothing with? Sounds great.

not if it was a coalition of nations invading America = p

 

[Kazturkey]

The chinese could do it. The red guard would crush the US army.

 

[deathstrikesquirrel]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

Firstly, I'd assume that person would take them all because, uh, invading troops aren't like a zombie invasion that will just walk into your line of fire. Obviously, we wouldn't stay home--if there truly was an invasion, we would band together, not stay home. So, you'd take your ammunition and shit with you.

Have you ever tried carring a shotgun, an assault rifle, two pistols and ammo for all of them for a long distance? I said to take the AR-15 because the ammo is relatively compact and light, so you can kill more efficiently with it. It also has a greater range, and buckshot is stopped by most body armour, especially military grade. This also leaves more room for food and other useful items.

I was being sarcastic. o_o

Oh the horrors you have unleashed, oh the hubris!

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Well yea, but we shoot back.

How can you when your entire country is a bomb site? It's not about who drops the bombs on who, it's about who drops the bombs first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

See specifically the "Fail-Deadly" section as it explains quite a bit.

 

[tsb247]

Thanks to the misinterpretation of the US constitution (It actually gives the right to bear arms to 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State').

Misrepresentation? A militia is made up or ordinary people - i.e. any able-bodied citizen that could fight if called upon.

You forgot this part, "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Who are the people? Ordinary citizens. If it was meant as anything else, it would have been written, "The right of the militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Please, if you don't live here, don't judge our laws, customs, traditions, views, etc. I don't want to be rude, but the statement you made about our Constitution being misrepresented is false. In fact, the Supreme Court upheld the second amendment just recently saying it is indeed constitutional for all citizens (who can legally do so) to own guns.

I have always found it curious why people from other countries seem to think they know so much about our Constitution. It's one thing to know the words, and it is another to know why they are there. In fact, it is because ordinary men and women were allowed to own weapons that the country exists in the first place.

I would also like to point out that this thread has been done before.

 

[historybuff]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Facing international consequences and huge plots of burned land to do nothing with? Sounds great.

not if it was a coalition of nations invading America = p

Only Russia has the sheer amount of nuclear weapons it would take. And if they used them all--then there would be no point.

There are nine nuclear states in the world. US, UK, Russia, France, China, India, Pakistan and North Korea and Israel is suspected to. Us and Russia each have several thousand. All the others put together barely have 800.

 

[Zombie Badger]

A misinterpretation of the constitution? You're wrong, only an idiot believes government officials are the only ones allowed to own a gun.

I did not say only government officials. I said a 'well-organised militia', set up to defend a town, like a police force or the National Guard. Also, your avatar says more about you than your words do.

A militia is the citizens. If you knew anything about the US you would know that.

Hmmm, you seem to be right about that. It's interesting how they keep this idea that was originally intended to help defend their country if invaded (It originally dates back to 13th Century England) when they are the best armed nation in the world.

 

[hippykiller]

When their President Obama takes away the citizen's guns, yeah. America can be invaded. just as long as Obama plans on making a gun control law. which we all know he is.

 

[tsb247]

The chinese could do it. The red guard would crush the US army.

I doubt it since an army that large presents a logistical NIGHTMARE. China also does not have a navy to speak of. It is large, but it mostly consists of patrol boats and smaller vessels. They have no way of effectively moving that army.

 

[historybuff]

Thanks to the misinterpretation of the US constitution (It actually gives the right to bear arms to 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State').

Misrepresentation? A militia is made up or ordinary people - i.e. any able-bodied citizen that could fight if called upon.

You forgot this part, "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Who are the people? Ordinary citizens. If it was meant as anything else, it would have been written, "The right of the militia to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Please, if you don't live here, don't judge our laws, customs, traditions, views, etc. I don't want to be rude, but the statement you made about our Constitution being misrepresented is false. In fact, the Supreme Court upheld the second amendment just recently saying it is indeed constitutional for all citizens (who can legally do so) to own guns.

I have always found it curious why people from other countries seem to think they know so much about our Constitution. It's one thing to know the words, and it is another to know why they are there. In fact, it is because ordinary men and women were allowed to own weapons that the country exists in the first place.

I would also like to point out that this thread has been done before.

This. Exactly.

 

[deathstrikesquirrel]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Facing international consequences and huge plots of burned land to do nothing with? Sounds great.

not if it was a coalition of nations invading America = p

Somehow I doubt that would happen.

If enough people see us as unstable and a threat to global security

 

[Kazturkey]

The chinese could do it. The red guard would crush the US army.

I doubt it since an army that large presents a logistical NIGHTMARE. China also does not have a navy to speak of. It is large, but it mostly consists of patrol boats and smaller vessels. They have no way of effectively moving that army.

They can send them over on commercial flights

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

A misinterpretation of the constitution? You're wrong, only an idiot believes government officials are the only ones allowed to own a gun.

I did not say only government officials. I said a 'well-organised militia', set up to defend a town, like a police force or the National Guard. Also, your avatar says more about you than your words do.

A militia is the citizens. If you knew anything about the US you would know that.

Hmmm, you seem to be right about that. It's interesting how they keep this idea that was originally intended to help defend their country if invaded (It originally dates back to 13th Century England) when they are the best armed nation in the world.

It has little to do with invading forces and everything to do with oppressive governments. Having an armed civilian force is supposed to be frightening to the government so they don't get out of hand.

Seems to have not worked.

 

[Shock and Awe]

I doubt that it would even be possible for the US to be invaded at all, because the US NAvy and Air Force are the greatest in the world and could destroy any kind of landing force if we had any warning at all, not to mention the number of cruise missles that they would be hit with.

 

[murphy7801]

All about who's got Doctor Manhattan !

 

[Zombie Badger]

A misinterpretation of the constitution? You're wrong, only an idiot believes government officials are the only ones allowed to own a gun.

I did not say only government officials. I said a 'well-organised militia', set up to defend a town, like a police force or the National Guard. Also, your avatar says more about you than your words do.

A militia is the citizens. If you knew anything about the US you would know that.

Hmmm, you seem to be right about that. It's interesting how they keep this idea that was originally intended to help defend their country if invaded (It originally dates back to 13th Century England) when they are the best armed nation in the world.

It has little to do with invading forces and everything to do with oppressive governments. Having an armed civilian force is supposed to be frightening to the government so they don't get out of hand.

Seems to have not worked.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty - Thomas Jefferson.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

A misinterpretation of the constitution? You're wrong, only an idiot believes government officials are the only ones allowed to own a gun.

I did not say only government officials. I said a 'well-organised militia', set up to defend a town, like a police force or the National Guard. Also, your avatar says more about you than your words do.

A militia is the citizens. If you knew anything about the US you would know that.

Hmmm, you seem to be right about that. It's interesting how they keep this idea that was originally intended to help defend their country if invaded (It originally dates back to 13th Century England) when they are the best armed nation in the world.

It has little to do with invading forces and everything to do with oppressive governments. Having an armed civilian force is supposed to be frightening to the government so they don't get out of hand.

Seems to have not worked.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty - Thomas Jefferson.

Precisely. I don't think Washington has enough fear of the people, to be honest. Then again, I'm not sure there's really anything to be afraid of. Maybe if the people get more angry, but I haven't seen much that really makes me think the people want the freedoms they have.