Could America be invaded?

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Bulletinmybrain

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Nickolai77 said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
Agent Larkin said:
Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. Actually, germany would back out and india I believe would to seeing as we are selling them military armsThe middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. Completely agreeThe situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the PacificThey would easily win a war in the pacific, only one country actually has a naval force to sneeze at, and that is japan. China isn't the military giant people make them out to be. and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end. Complete bullshit. You would literally have to kill us all.. Guns+Pissed off americans+Other people in power=FIGHT



In my opinion the Chinese are not to be sniffed at. By 2040 they will become more economically powerful than the USA- China is what America was just before WW1- a nation waiting for the current superpower (for America is what Britain, For China it will be America) to screw up so it can take its place as the worlds super power.

The key thing about China is potential, they have a lot of it. If China was to mobilise for a "Total War" situation they would out power the USA. They have a huge population to draft into the military, and half of this population has already experienced military training. Many Chinese are becoming increasingly better educated, and this better education standard will reflect in their military hardware. Already China's military hardware is considerable, not quite as advanced as Western military equipment, that may well change in the coming decades.

However China's real strength lies in its industrial capacity. China's industrial output is insane, and if all those factories where turned over to make arms, China will simply out-produce the USA. For every tank America could make, China could say, make ten more. Not only that, there would be no shortage of personal to man these tanks either. Same goes for the Chinese navy, army and airforce. For instance, German Tiger tanks where better than the American Shermans, however the Allies had a lot more Shermans than Tigers- and so Allied tanks where still able to compete with the German tanks.

In a war situation, America's hope would be for an early victory over China, using its initial advantage of military readiness, training and firepower. However if America fails to eliminate China is the first year or two of warfare, i see the war sliding in the favour of the Chinese.


The U.S's future pretty much is this: If people get fed up about the democrats quickly, then the u.s will not lose superpower status. If democrats hold power we will likely pass the torch. Also I somehow doubt china could organize anything. If you wish to do anything there you have to bribe someone. Try getting something done when you're locked at a standstill cause you don't have the money to pay the man.
 

murphy7801

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Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

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No

Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
 

murphy7801

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Nickolai77 said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
Agent Larkin said:
Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. Actually, germany would back out and india I believe would to seeing as we are selling them military armsThe middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. Completely agreeThe situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the PacificThey would easily win a war in the pacific, only one country actually has a naval force to sneeze at, and that is japan. China isn't the military giant people make them out to be. and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end. Complete bullshit. You would literally have to kill us all.. Guns+Pissed off americans+Other people in power=FIGHT



In my opinion the Chinese are not to be sniffed at. By 2040 they will become more economically powerful than the USA- China is what America was just before WW1- a nation waiting for the current superpower (for America is what Britain, For China it will be America) to screw up so it can take its place as the worlds super power.

The key thing about China is potential, they have a lot of it. If China was to mobilise for a "Total War" situation they would out power the USA. They have a huge population to draft into the military, and half of this population has already experienced military training. Many Chinese are becoming increasingly better educated, and this better education standard will reflect in their military hardware. Already China's military hardware is considerable, not quite as advanced as Western military equipment, that may well change in the coming decades.

However China's real strength lies in its industrial capacity. China's industrial output is insane, and if all those factories where turned over to make arms, China will simply out-produce the USA. For every tank America could make, China could say, make ten more. Not only that, there would be no shortage of personal to man these tanks either. Same goes for the Chinese navy, army and airforce. For instance, German Tiger tanks where better than the American Shermans, however the Allies had a lot more Shermans than Tigers- and so Allied tanks where still able to compete with the German tanks.

In a war situation, America's hope would be for an early victory over China, using its initial advantage of military readiness, training and firepower. However if America fails to eliminate China is the first year or two of warfare, i see the war sliding in the favour of the Chinese.

(I am of course, for matters of convenience, ignoring the use of nuclear weapons, where there would be no winners)

I can see the Europe doing a massive hand sitting action and talking alot with Russia.
 

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The reason for the "misinterpretation" of the second amendment is because of the placement of a comma, in some copies it puts the comma in a place that says only the militia can have guns. In the original document, it says everyone can have them and at any time can organize a militia if the government becomes too tyrannical. The US military oath even says that you only have to obey "lawful orders" (so you can't use the I was ordered to defense when you wipe out a village of civilians with a hacksaw or violate the Constitution.)

Back on topic, it would take an army the size of China's with the transports of the rest of the world (including the US's own) to invade effectively. The invading army would also take massive casualties en route to the invasion point (do you honestly think we don't watch our own shores when we can watch the Iranian president pick his nose on satellite?)

As for industrial capacity, the US has a ton of it still. We just need to open them back up. We also have been hoarding things like oil and metals for the last fifty years (why do you think we import so much while we sit on the world's fifth largest reserve of oil?)

We ARE invadable, but it would take most of the world cooperating to do it. The large militaries don't have the transportation, the one's with the ability to move troops don't have the troops. If the US were invaded, even by China, I don't see the world sitting and watching either. It would be world war three and if the US were about to fall, I have no doubts in my mind that we would launch every nuke we have in retaliation.
 

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murphy7801 said:
Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

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Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.
 

Captain Picard

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murphy7801 said:
Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

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No

Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
First, I can hardly understand what you're trying to say. Second, a good portion of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is IN THE OCEAN, and could be ANYWERE. Third, EMP won't disable the nuclear missiles still in their silos underground. Fourth, I'm betting there will be protective systems and backup systems on all critical military hardware
 

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Mimsofthedawg said:
In short, as it stands, the US simply can't be invaded the way it is now. As many communist charters have said, the only way to conquer a nation like the US is from within - slowly turning it's wheels towards more socialistic and communist ideals until one day the US wakes up as a communist country without knowing how it happened.
Or a fascist dictatorship.
Edit: Almost all regimes that call themselves communist are just totalitarian dictatorships, which are more right wing than fascists (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc). True communism, as invented bu Karl Marx, is the idea of a utopia where everyone cares for everone else, sharing their food and resources between for for the sake of altruism, with no central government (Also the idea of Anarchism).

Bulletinmybrain said:
The U.S's future pretty much is this: If people get fed up about the democrats quickly, then the u.s will not lose superpower status. If democrats hold power we will likely pass the torch. Also I somehow doubt china could organize anything. If you wish to do anything there you have to bribe someone. Try getting something done when you're locked at a standstill cause you don't have the money to pay the man.
China may be corrupt, but if it decided to invade, I reckon it could mobilise quickly. It may be inefficient at home, but then so was Nazi Germany, and if they hadn't declared war on the USSR or US, and stuck to fighting countries with the same strength, they would have had a good chance of winning.
 

murphy7801

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Bulletinmybrain said:
murphy7801 said:
Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

Can

Be

No

Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.
Have you seen what happen when a sub get hit with an EMP. Oh and you can guess what happen when a plane gets hit.
 

Nickolai77

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Bulletinmybrain said:
[quote="Nickolai77"
The U.S's future pretty much is this: If people get fed up about the democrats quickly, then the u.s will not lose superpower status. If democrats hold power we will likely pass the torch. Also I somehow doubt china could organize anything. If you wish to do anything there you have to bribe someone. Try getting something done when you're locked at a standstill cause you don't have the money to pay the man.
I would agree- democrats less likely to lead America to war+ corruption could be a problem in China, but don't forget they are a dictatorship- when the position of the states leaders is at stake, they will not tolerate corruption.
 

asinann

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murphy7801 said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
murphy7801 said:
Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

Can

Be

No

Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.
Have you seen what happen when a sub get hit with an EMP. Oh and you can guess what happen when a plane gets hit.
You've been watching too many movies. An EMP will temporarily disable the electronic components of the sub, but those systems will be reactivated in time and the sub will move again. The most critical systems in modern submarines also have non-electronic backups so things like air circulation aren't going to shut off.

As for aircraft, EMP's don't travel all the fast while modern jets do. The engines are not electronic, just the ignition systems and the controls are hydraulic. Radar and weapon guidance systems will shut down for a while, but the plane isn't going down.

And I forgot one small detail, the only country with an EMP bomb large enough to shut down more than a few city blocks is the US. The largest one WE have can only shut down a small town (maybe 20,000 people.)
 

Captain Picard

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murphy7801 said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
murphy7801 said:
Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

Can

Be

No

Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.
Have you seen what happen when a sub get hit with an EMP. Oh and you can guess what happen when a plane gets hit.
I'll be charitable to your scenario and assume that submarine based missiles and aircraft based missiles are out of the equation. A completely unrealistic scenario, mind you, especially if those submarines were parked off the coast of the offending country.

http://www.brookings.edu/projects/archive/nucweapons/50.aspx

"7. Number currently in the stockpile (2002): 10,600 (7,982 deployed, 2,700 hedge/contingency stockpile)"

Assuming even 1/3rd of those missiles were left operational, the offending country would still be utterly destroyed.
 

Bulletinmybrain

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murphy7801 said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
murphy7801 said:
Captain Picard said:
So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

There

Can

Be

No

Victory
See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.
America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.
Have you seen what happen when a sub get hit with an EMP. Oh and you can guess what happen when a plane gets hit.
The nuclear submarines arms will not be in military bases, but the B-2 Spirits may be knocked out.. But the carriers would still be operating so planes would still be a problem. :)
 

SendMeNoodz84

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Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.
 

freakonaleash

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America is too far away for an effective invasion...and I doubt Mexico or Canada could invade the U.S.