Could America be invaded?

[cainstwin]

I could beat them single handedly lol

On a serious note, anywhere can be invaded. Just need a group of people/countries with the right motivation.

Also you say the size of america would be a problem... Much of it's infastucture and population is on the east and west coast... So a very good naval force could do pretty well. The inner states wouldnt be able to help much and landing forces would then penetrate into America without much resistance as most of the command/industry and population had been overunn.

But saying this you'd need a group of countries to be strong enough to attempt this, and all the ones capable at the moment all seem to be on pretty good terms with the US. The only countries that could really threaten them are Russia and China but I'd say you're on pretty good terms with them

Your biggest threat is the UK - we're plotting your downfall with a super-powered nuclear soldiers that run on a type of fusion using tea and crumpets but shhh! dont tell no one!

YOU WEREN'T MENT TO TELL THEM THAT!!!! god!! I hope you didnt let on about our inpentrable armour powered by a stiff upper lip (yes that was a shockingly poor idea, but i was running short and the post looked dumb if left at god)

 

[Brockyman]

I started wondering if it could be invaded while playing World in Conflict.

The main problems with invading any country are its geography, the population, and the Army.

1) The United States is a massive place, the third or fourth largest in the world, depending on which set of figures you use. This presents a problem as invading country's armies are often stretched too thinly to be effective. Unlike the two larger countries, America is relatively warm, compared to the freezing winters that defeated the French and Germans invading Russia and the Americans in their failed attempt to invade Canada in the war of 1812. The Rocky mountains would be a problem as well, but only if resistance fighters set up there and attacked the surrounding area.

Overall, I believe that with a large enough army, the size of the US would not present too great a problem.

2) The population of the US would be a massive problem. Thanks to the misinterpretation of the US constitution (It actually gives the right to bear arms to 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State'), many Americans own guns and are very proficient in their use. The Americans in general have a very patriotic attitude, and the rabid patriotism in their media, which is especially noticable on FOX news, is reminiscent of the patriotism in Nazi Germany. This would likely motivate them to fight to defend their homeland. Their use of actual tactics would be debatable, as they might try to copy Rambo, but they would certainly gather into small groups of resistance fighters. Resistance fighters are always a headache for invading troops: The Eldelweiss Pirates in France killed the chief of the Cologne Gestapo in 1944, and many other groups sprang up in Europe during World War II. The American resistance fighters would be far better armed, and would likely join up with the local National Guard units.

In conclusion, the resistance would be a massive problem for an invading force.

3) The US Army is one of the best in the world, and one of the better equipped (This has improved vastly since Vietnam). They also have around a million soldiers, which could be put to great use and their numbers would be bolstered by Resistance fighters. They also know the are they'll be fighting in well, which is a massive benefit in urban combat.


In conclusion, I believe that if America was invaded, the invaders would face a massive struggle against the US Army forces currently in the country, but if they defeated them, they would be in their own Vietnam-esce war, with constant guerilla attacks. What do you think?

First, most American's don't "misinterpret the US constitution". The reason to for the right to bear arms is two-fold.
1. To help prevent an invasion. As you correctly stated above (other then comparing us w/ Nazis, I wasn't happy about that) the arming of the US Population would make it next to impossible to invade and occupy the American Mainland. The Constitution didn't just give the rights to the military to have arms, but for everyone, in case they were need to "form a militia"
" You can not invade the mainland United States . There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass . " Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto [ Japanese Navy WWII]

2. To protect your life, liberty, and property from anyone that would unlawfully take it. The Army and police can't be everywhere at once, and it is up to the individual to protect himself, his family, and belongings.

People and organizations that attempt to ban and unnecessarily control firearms usually have an agenda of limiting the power of the individual or are well meaning public servants that are misguided and ignorant of the facts of gun ownership.

Guns don't "create" crime. They do allow for people that want to commit crimes to have a bit easier go of it, but the same crimes can be committed with other weapons and tools. At the same time, a gun can protect the weak from the strong, and allow good to keep evil at bay.

 

[Flying-Emu]

This thread was done a couple of weeks ago. With the exact same title. Please use the search button.

I believe it could.

War of 1812.

It WAS invaded.

Yeah, like 200 years ago when our army sucked. Plus, didn't we repel the British back to Canada? I know they got to the white house and attempted to burn it down but failed since it started to rain, but I'm pretty sure Andrew Jackson's forces were able to drive them back. So there was an attempted invasion, but it failed.

The question wasn't if the invasion would succeed, it was if America could be invaded. Which it can, was, and most likely will be someday.

Also, The Burning of Washington [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington] didn't result in the total destruction of the White House due to a hurricane passing through. I hate to use Wiki as a source, but it tends to be fairly accurate on matters of popular history.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

I started wondering if it could be invaded while playing World in Conflict.

The main problems with invading any country are its geography, the population, and the Army.

1) The United States is a massive place, the third or fourth largest in the world, depending on which set of figures you use. This presents a problem as invading country's armies are often stretched too thinly to be effective. Unlike the two larger countries, America is relatively warm, compared to the freezing winters that defeated the French and Germans invading Russia and the Americans in their failed attempt to invade Canada in the war of 1812. The Rocky mountains would be a problem as well, but only if resistance fighters set up there and attacked the surrounding area.

Overall, I believe that with a large enough army, the size of the US would not present too great a problem.

2) The population of the US would be a massive problem. Thanks to the misinterpretation of the US constitution (It actually gives the right to bear arms to 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State'), many Americans own guns and are very proficient in their use. The Americans in general have a very patriotic attitude, and the rabid patriotism in their media, which is especially noticable on FOX news, is reminiscent of the patriotism in Nazi Germany. This would likely motivate them to fight to defend their homeland. Their use of actual tactics would be debatable, as they might try to copy Rambo, but they would certainly gather into small groups of resistance fighters. Resistance fighters are always a headache for invading troops: The Eldelweiss Pirates in France killed the chief of the Cologne Gestapo in 1944, and many other groups sprang up in Europe during World War II. The American resistance fighters would be far better armed, and would likely join up with the local National Guard units.

In conclusion, the resistance would be a massive problem for an invading force.

3) The US Army is one of the best in the world, and one of the better equipped (This has improved vastly since Vietnam). They also have around a million soldiers, which could be put to great use and their numbers would be bolstered by Resistance fighters. They also know the are they'll be fighting in well, which is a massive benefit in urban combat.


In conclusion, I believe that if America was invaded, the invaders would face a massive struggle against the US Army forces currently in the country, but if they defeated them, they would be in their own Vietnam-esce war, with constant guerilla attacks. What do you think?

First, most American's don't "misinterpret the US constitution". The reason to for the right to bear arms is two-fold.
1. To help prevent an invasion. As you correctly stated above (other then comparing us w/ Nazis, I wasn't happy about that) the arming of the US Population would make it next to impossible to invade and occupy the American Mainland. The Constitution didn't just give the rights to the military to have arms, but for everyone, in case they were need to "form a militia"
" You can not invade the mainland United States . There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass . " Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto [ Japanese Navy WWII]

2. To protect your life, liberty, and property from anyone that would unlawfully take it. The Army and police can't be everywhere at once, and it is up to the individual to protect himself, his family, and belongings.

People and organizations that attempt to ban and unnecessarily control firearms usually have an agenda of limiting the power of the individual or are well meaning public servants that are misguided and ignorant of the facts of gun ownership.

Guns don't "create" crime. They do allow for people that want to commit crimes to have a bit easier go of it, but the same crimes can be committed with other weapons and tools. At the same time, a gun can protect the weak from the strong, and allow good to keep evil at bay.

Here is an interesting fact: The VA Tech incident could have been stoped if firearms were allowed to be held by the students. (Notably, there is a gunclub) But no, they banned them. Somebody still got onto campus with them and killed 30 people.

This thread was done a couple of weeks ago. With the exact same title. Please use the search button.

I believe it could.

War of 1812.

It WAS invaded.

Yeah, like 200 years ago when our army sucked. Plus, didn't we repel the British back to Canada? I know they got to the white house and attempted to burn it down but failed since it started to rain, but I'm pretty sure Andrew Jackson's forces were able to drive them back. So there was an attempted invasion, but it failed.

The question wasn't if the invasion would succeed, it was if America could be invaded. Which it can, was, and most likely will be someday.

Also, The Burning of Washington [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington] didn't result in the total destruction of the White House due to a hurricane passing through. I hate to use Wiki as a source, but it tends to be fairly accurate on matters of popular history.

No, that was andrew jackson's rage. We had a president who would be classified as bat-shit crazy by todays standards.

 

[Damien the Pigeon]

There's no way it could be invaded nowadays for a simple reason (which some people have already touched on). How would an army get over to the United States? Yes, China has a huge amount of manpower, but they really don't have a way to get it over to the U.S. I guess if someone were to try to go through Mexico or Canada, it is possible, but I doubt that either of those countries want to get on America's bad side.

 

[lolmynamewastaken]

the ninja's are already there.

 

[Brockyman]

The only only 2 ways an invasion and occupation of the United States could occur:

1. Highly advanced technology or supernatural powers: With current day technology the way it is now, no current nation, or even group of nations has the manpower or technology to hold on to the entire land mass of the United States. It would take something in the science fiction realm, such as an Alien Invasion Force, alien tech given to the nation that attacks the US, super soldiers, ect

2. Take it a piece at a time. A large enough invasion force could take a small part of the US, probably California as its population would be less willing to fight and is less armed then the East or Central Regions. After establishing a beachhead they can bomb/nuke large cities with clean atomics (nukes that don't leave nuclear fallout) to weaken major cities and bases, then roll in.

3. Genocide via Nuclear or Biological means. However, these options would kill more then the US Population. Nuclear blasts enough to destroy every major US City and base would produce enough debris and dust to block out the sun, killing billions. Any Bio or Chemical attack would most likely spread to others, causing global pandemics and a mass loss of life on all side.

Best advice is don't try, or we'll f"ck you up.

 

[Agent Larkin]

Yes very easily. Alaska is your weak spot.

-Edit- Also it would be relatively easy to occupy as well. Just set up a puppet government and make everything look niece for the news cameras. Also on the whole entire US ARMY IS BEST!!! argument a coalition of Russia and China would easily wipe you out. As would a Coalition of Europe and Russia or Europe and China.

 

[kandza]

Well c'mon. Who in the right mind would invade America? It would make a truckload of problems to them. America has one of the strongest economical systems in the world. It's well suplied. And how are the invaders going to get so much supplies and troops secretly over the ocean? Besides that, America is a part of some strong alliances. America wouldn't fight alone. A massive invasion wouldn't work. If a force would be so big to attack America , the other countries would want that invasive force out of the way. Seriously what ARE you worried about so much? I don't understand because I don't live in America.

 

[Evilbunny]

The question wasn't if the invasion would succeed, it was if America could be invaded. Which it can, was, and most likely will be someday.

Also, The Burning of Washington [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington] didn't result in the total destruction of the White House due to a hurricane passing through. I hate to use Wiki as a source, but it tends to be fairly accurate on matters of popular history.

Ah, well if your definition of invaded is armed forces simply getting into the country, then yeah that's possible. Hell, Mexicans get in the country every day so it'd be pretty hard to argue that no armed force could get through. The way I had taken "invaded" to mean was armed forces getting into the country, taking Washington D.C., and getting the leaders of the U.S. to surrender unconditionally. That, I believe, is not possible.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Also anyone who suggests nukes: You're retarded. Nuclear missiles would likely be shot down by american missle defense system or hell, we may just blow it out of space with lasers.

Compared to us, no nation has nuclear might like the U.S, even russia would back down.. We have 20 stealth bombers that would pretty much be impossible to shoot down and could make a bombing a day.. With nukes. And then the 20 or so submarines with nukes... We have variety.

Yes very easily. Alaska is your weak spot.

So that they have to fight canada and us? Who cares about alaska really anyway? Besides the resources it is where hell iced over.

Note: Europe? Are you kidding me? The only real powers are U.K, France, and Germany. The only of those that don't like us might be the french. China couldn't even get to us, and russia is declining in power..

I.. Feel... Oddly... Patriotic? Defending mah country through ze interwebs.

 

[Psycho1225]

Well, if several countrys or a super power like russia or europe (europe counts as one super country now) then they might have a chance of invading succesfully but other wise, there is little chance of that happening.

 

[Flying-Emu]

The question wasn't if the invasion would succeed, it was if America could be invaded. Which it can, was, and most likely will be someday.

Also, The Burning of Washington [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington] didn't result in the total destruction of the White House due to a hurricane passing through. I hate to use Wiki as a source, but it tends to be fairly accurate on matters of popular history.

Ah, well if your definition of invaded is armed forces simply getting into the country, then yeah that's possible. Hell, Mexicans get in the country every day so it'd be pretty hard to argue that no armed force could get through. The way I had taken "invaded" to mean was armed forces getting into the country, taking Washington D.C., and getting the leaders of the U.S. to surrender unconditionally. That, I believe, is not possible.

The War of 1812 had forces of British Regulars; not a bunch of random militias.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

The only only 2 ways an invasion and occupation of the United States could occur:

1. Highly advanced technology or supernatural powers: With current day technology the way it is now, no current nation, or even group of nations has the manpower or technology to hold on to the entire land mass of the United States. It would take something in the science fiction realm, such as an Alien Invasion Force, alien tech given to the nation that attacks the US, super soldiers, ect

2. Take it a piece at a time. A large enough invasion force could take a small part of the US, probably California as its population would be less willing to fight and is less armed then the East or Central Regions. After establishing a beachhead they can bomb/nuke large cities with clean atomics (nukes that don't leave nuclear fallout) to weaken major cities and bases, then roll in.

3. Genocide via Nuclear or Biological means. However, these options would kill more then the US Population. Nuclear blasts enough to destroy every major US City and base would produce enough debris and dust to block out the sun, killing billions. Any Bio or Chemical attack would most likely spread to others, causing global pandemics and a mass loss of life on all side.

Best advice is don't try, or we'll f"ck you up.

There are quick occupation viral weapons that have a 2 hour incubation period only, so they don't spread far before killing the host. Infect a city, it only spreads as far as ppl are actually capable of spreading it within the incubation period. Spray that over new York and you could take even New York in a day with a major push of troops .... holding it would be the problem o.o

 

[MrDeano89]

Well, Georgia was invaded not too long ago so that answers your question.

=P

not entirely sure if thats sarcastic? only because i've heard way too many people genuinely serious wen they say that....

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

There would be giant militias formed up. Just like when the French and English fought over Canada.

They wouldn't be able to do much. Untrained and lightly equiped citizens militias would be slaughtered when put up against a professional, modern army with competent leadership and proper support.

Owning a gun does not make you soldier.

 

[Agent Larkin]

Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. The middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. The situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end.

 

[MrDeano89]

Well, Georgia was invaded not too long ago so that answers your question.

=P

Yeah, but one would tend to believe that a small Caucasian country is somewhat easier to invade than a world superpower. Unless that was a joke citing the two omonym Georgia countries, in which case... Ha?

Seriously though, let's look at this thing for a minute who on earth is either powerful or crazy enough to try and invade American soil?

the chinese

 

[captainordo]

Just nuke them. Easy and cheap.

Well yea, but we shoot back.

Not if they nuke: DC, New York and LA you won't.

No Pentagon/Mr. President, no Wall Street and no Holywood!

That is why we most likely would have second strike missle located in subs under the Ice Caps
Just like we did in the Cold War.
Note the USA could be invaded, but I don't think it could be captured.

 

[Agent Larkin]

Also anyone who suggests nukes: You're retarded. Nuclear missiles would likely be shot down by american missle defense system or hell, we may just blow it out of space with lasers.

Compared to us, no nation has nuclear might like the U.S, even russia would back down.. We have 20 stealth bombers that would pretty much be impossible to shoot down and could make a bombing a day.. With nukes. And then the 20 or so submarines with nukes... We have variety.

Yes very easily. Alaska is your weak spot.

So that they have to fight canada and us? Who cares about alaska really anyway? Besides the resources it is where hell iced over.

Note: Europe? Are you kidding me? The only real powers are U.K, France, and Germany. The only of those that don't like us might be the french. China couldn't even get to us, and russia is declining in power..

I.. Feel... Oddly... Patriotic? Defending mah country through ze interwebs.

Just because they are declining in power dosn't mean they aren't powerful. Also while you think the only important ones internationally are the UK France and Germany inside this wonderful union we call the EU the Benelux region is rather powerful and they don't really like America (I don't know why) besides i don't care if there would be a war I would be in one of the only countries that could succesfully claim Neutraility. Come to Ireland we only fight ourselves over stupid things.