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ElTigreSantiago

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I live in western Pennsylvania, where there is a small armory in every house. Most everyone (including myself) has been using firearms since before they were in Kindergarten. Also, look at all the gangs. They certainly aren't lacking in the weapons department.
 

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doctorwhofan said:
1. you forgot the National Guard, and the reserves.

2. Patriotism? Where's the research on that? It's more greed. "Get off my property, you (fill in blank here)" than patriotism. We will repell all invaders just because it would mess up our lifestyle, rather than patriotism.

3. I dunno the stats, but I believe you are combining all four armed forces numbers. Guess what? Air Force and Half the Navy are not exactly "soldiers" Trust me, I know.
The stat for the army includes the national guard and reserves, and was taken from Wikipedia, and the patriotism thing may be partly due to the fact that us foreigners only see the patriotic crap spewed out by your media (especially the aforementioned FOX news, which we get occasional clips of on the BBC. As satire, these clips would make me laugh, but as serious news, they depress me.

Alone Disciple said:
You don't live near San Diego do you? Please see: CA, TX, AZ....They have been invaded for years. I know, I'm a taxpayer there.
I'm English.

Tahyldras said:
I'm surprised that no-one has commented on the EM Pulse generated from nukes... Several large nukes detonated in the upper atmosphere and spread out over the US would basically fuck up any electronic device more complicated than a torch (unless it's properly defended against such an attack) over the most of the US mainland.
Many nukes (easily enough to wipe out the major cities of any attacking country) are stored in underground bunkers, and would be fired in retaliation. I don't get that people are suggesting nuclear warefare. I thought the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction was obviously stupid, and especially to people who lived during the Cold War or who have watched the excellent film Dr Strangelove.

Brockyman said:
Guns don't "create" crime. They do allow for people that want to commit crimes to have a bit easier go of it, but the same crimes can be committed with other weapons and tools. At the same time, a gun can protect the weak from the strong, and allow good to keep evil at bay.
I hate being constantly told this. If someone wants to kill someone else, they are far more likely to do so if they have a gun, than if they only have a hammer. Using a melee weapon is very difficult, as the person you are trying to kill may kill you in self defence, and poison has been mostly abandoned as the police can easily find it. A gun just requires you to aim and twitch your index finger to make their brains exit their right eye. Comparing the murder rates (murders per 100,000 people) of the US, with the murder rates of the UK, the US has almost a 4 times higher murder rate (5.6 vs 1.4) as of 2007.

Bulletinmybrain said:
Here is an interesting fact: The VA Tech incident could have been stoped if firearms were allowed to be held by the students. (Notably, there is a gunclub) But no, they banned them. Somebody still got onto campus with them and killed 30 people.
Another argument I hate. What is to stop them commiting murders on the campus (Not killing sprees, just shooting someone and running). The more places that are gun-free the better.

Bob the Average said:
Secondly I wouldn't call the media as rabidly patriotic every one but fox spent the last eight years whining about every time Bush pooped (of course now they praise anything Obama does). As far as the Nazi thing goes: firstly hell no, second no one has proclaimed America to be superior to all others and no president in our history has had such silly facial hair.
From what I've seen, FOX is about as right wing as the Nazis, still occasionally complaining about communism (In their coverage of the mass protests in London regarding the economy months ago). Regarding the facial hair, Hitler ruined the excellent Charlie Chaplain moustache, which the bastard copied to try to be popular.

Also, sorry about forgetting to use the search button.
 

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Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. Actually, germany would back out and india I believe would to seeing as we are selling them military armsThe middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. Completely agreeThe situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the PacificThey would easily win a war in the pacific, only one country actually has a naval force to sneeze at, and that is japan. China isn't the military giant people make them out to be. and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end. Complete bullshit. You would literally have to kill us all.. Guns+Pissed off americans+Other people in power=FIGHT


Note to guy talking about the american crime rate: You failed mathematics didn't you? The U.K population hovers around 62 million. The american population hovers around 300million. The U.K actually has a higher murder crime rate if they were the same size. 7(Uk) vs 5.6(U.S) That is if both were the same population size and crime rate climbed proportionally.
 

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Bulletinmybrain said:
Agent Larkin said:
Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. Actually, germany would back out and india I believe would to seeing as we are selling them military armsThe middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. Completely agreeThe situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the PacificThey would easily win a war in the pacific, only one country actually has a naval force to sneeze at, and that is japan. China isn't the military giant people make them out to be. and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end. Complete bullshit. You would literally have to kill us all.. Guns+Pissed off americans+Other people in power=FIGHT


1 this is a fantasy absolute worst case scenario situation on an American war.
2 This is also running on the Basis that China has managed to develop their naval power a little bit more.
3 When did i mention India?
4 Just checking on the Isreal think are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic?
5 Guns+pissed off Americans+Foreign people in charge=Fight my ass. as 1 The Chinese would definitly be harsh on anyone caught using weapons (Think WW2 occupied France but worse) 2 Any occupiying force would disarm the population 3 This war would have defeated American pride to the point it is nearly completely destroyed and seen as how the last time your country started mopping around after the Vietnam war it took till the Iran Hostage crisis for you to actually be a real foreign power again I dont see a real major defeat being something most people will shrug off. 4 The ordinary man on the street woun't care who is in control so long as he can feed his family so apart from a few people who would form the inevitable resistence most public opinion would be neutral in favor of Home Rule for the East US (i.e. ruling themselves which would be likely).

Im not gonna even try and properly describe living in Western occupied US.
 
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deanoxxx said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Draculafreak said:
Well, Georgia was invaded not too long ago so that answers your question.

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Yeah, but one would tend to believe that a small Caucasian country is somewhat easier to invade than a world superpower. Unless that was a joke citing the two omonym Georgia countries, in which case... Ha?

Seriously though, let's look at this thing for a minute who on earth is either powerful or crazy enough to try and invade American soil?

the chinese
Are you shitting me? Right now the chinese economy is completely dependant on America. Invading would be like shooting themselves in the foot.
 

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Agent Larkin said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
Agent Larkin said:
Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. Actually, germany would back out and india I believe would to seeing as we are selling them military armsThe middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. Completely agreeThe situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the PacificThey would easily win a war in the pacific, only one country actually has a naval force to sneeze at, and that is japan. China isn't the military giant people make them out to be. and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end. Complete bullshit. You would literally have to kill us all.. Guns+Pissed off americans+Other people in power=FIGHT


1 this is a fantasy absolute worst case scenario situation on an American war.
2 This is also running on the Basis that China has managed to develop their naval power a little bit more.
3 When did i mention India?
4 Just checking on the Isreal think are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic?
5 Guns+pissed off Americans+Foreign people in charge=Fight my ass. as 1 The Chinese would definitly be harsh on anyone caught using weapons (Think WW2 occupied France but worse) 2 Any occupiying force would disarm the population 3 This war would have defeated American pride to the point it is nearly completely destroyed and seen as how the last time your country started mopping around after the Vietnam war it took till the Iran Hostage crisis for you to actually be a real foreign power again I dont see a real major defeat being something most people will shrug off. 4 The ordinary man on the street woun't care who is in control so long as he can feed his family so apart from a few people who would form the inevitable resistence most public opinion would be neutral in favor of Home Rule for the East US (i.e. ruling themselves which would be likely).

Im not gonna even try and properly describe living in Western occupied US.

1. Yes, but I am just saying. Germany would likely back out because we have treated them good. (Seeing as you're using the U.K's pretty much isolationism.)
2. Then that would also mean that india would have also upgraded its military, as would we.
3. India is like china-lite
4. I completely agree full heartly, hell isn't that what we are doing right now?
5. Have you not learned? Everybody is strapped here. Getting rid of all guns.. Oh god. You would literally have to search every bit of land thoroughly or you might miss out on a near rebel military armory by civilians. :)
 

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No country has the means to get enough troops, armor, aircraft, fuel, munitions, and supplies across the oceans and onto either coast. Let's say China and Russia teamed up to start their invasion with Alaska. The hundreds of ships and aircraft departing their coastline wouldn't go unnoticed, and would begin taking horrendous casualties before they even hit the coast. Even if they made it to the coast, they'd have to cut a swath through Alaska and Canada to even reach the northern border of the U.S.

In a conventional war, the U.S. could utterly destroy ALL military forces from EVERY other country EVEN IF THEY WERE ALL ALLIED AGAINST THE U.S. AND ATTACKED SIMULTANEOUSLY. Sure, the U.S. military would likely take a terrible beating as well, but our technology and military might makes conventional warfare utter suicide for the opposition. Furthermore, EVEN IF the U.S. were losing the battle, do you think our nuclear arsenal would sit idle? The attackers would damn their decendants for generations to come with a poisonous, ruined world.
 

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Bulletinmybrain said:
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5. Have you not learned? Everybody is strapped here. Getting rid of all guns.. Oh god. You would literally have to search every bit of land thoroughly or you might miss out on a near rebel military armory by civilians. :)
Sorry to disrail this slightly but because you said rebel military armory all I have in my mind now is some confederate soldier trying to do the Jedi mind trick on a foreign soldier ("These are not the weapons your looking for Y'Hear?") Just picture that for a minute and then you can thank me.

murphy7801 said:
Just EMP the whole country let them fight it out then mop up
Also this.
 

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Glefistus said:
chimpzy said:
Glefistus said:
There would be giant militias formed up. Just like when the French and English fought over Canada.
They wouldn't be able to do much. Untrained and lightly equiped citizens militias would be slaughtered when put up against a professional, modern army with competent leadership and proper support.

Owning a gun does not make you soldier.
Guerrilla warfare, combined with a militia knowing the local country/city better than the enemy would work it in their favour.
yes well that would be true if you working under though concept capture conquer because they will just kill every single person so no more guerrilla warfare.
 

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Agent Larkin said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
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5. Have you not learned? Everybody is strapped here. Getting rid of all guns.. Oh god. You would literally have to search every bit of land thoroughly or you might miss out on a near rebel military armory by civilians. :)
Sorry to disrail this slightly but because you said rebel military armory all I have in my mind now is some confederate soldier trying to do the Jedi mind trick on a foreign soldier ("These are not the weapons your looking for Y'Hear?") Just picture that for a minute and then you can thank me.

murphy7801 said:
Just EMP the whole country let them fight it out then mop up
Also this.
Glad you like, old system really divide and conquer. Plus you didn't even break the human rights.
 

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murphy7801 said:
Agent Larkin said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
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5. Have you not learned? Everybody is strapped here. Getting rid of all guns.. Oh god. You would literally have to search every bit of land thoroughly or you might miss out on a near rebel military armory by civilians. :)
Sorry to disrail this slightly but because you said rebel military armory all I have in my mind now is some confederate soldier trying to do the Jedi mind trick on a foreign soldier ("These are not the weapons your looking for Y'Hear?") Just picture that for a minute and then you can thank me.

murphy7801 said:
Just EMP the whole country let them fight it out then mop up
Also this.
Glad you like, old system really divide and conquer. Plus you didn't even break the human rights.
Actually now that I think about it wasn't that the plot to the film "Goldeneye"?
 

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There is one thing that none of you have taken into account for America's demise. Canada. Although our military is a small one, it's the best-trained on the planet. Were we to come up with a preemptive strike, combined with our allies across the globe, we could take over America.
 

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Bulletinmybrain said:
Agent Larkin said:
Sorry after reading the posts I just realised WHY DO YOU KEEP THINKING IT WOULD BE ONE COUNTRY? If there was going to be a war between America and another Industrialised nation it would be more of a 2v1 fight.

This is my Scenario:

The US foreign policy manages to upset the world completely. all nations bar the UK and Australia back out of there alliances. Actually, germany would back out and india I believe would to seeing as we are selling them military armsThe middle-east refuses to sell America oil. America starts a proxy war in the middle-east by using Isreal. Completely agreeThe situation explodes. The EU and Russia agree on terms for America to back out of the middle-east and counteract their foreign policy. America declines. The EU and Russia launch a conventional war against the US while China eager for any opportunities invades Taiwan. America pledges support for Taiwan thus bringing China into the war against America. The Americans hold a brave fight in the PacificThey would easily win a war in the pacific, only one country actually has a naval force to sneeze at, and that is japan. China isn't the military giant people make them out to be. and Atlantic oceans but are beaten back by weight of numbers. Invasions begin with New York on the West coast and Washington state in the East. The US is pushed to the point of breaking to the mid-west. US forces are defeated in Kansas. A new government is established in the East and West. America resemblees post WW2 Germany. The end. Complete bullshit. You would literally have to kill us all.. Guns+Pissed off americans+Other people in power=FIGHT



In my opinion the Chinese are not to be sniffed at. By 2040 they will become more economically powerful than the USA- China is what America was just before WW1- a nation waiting for the current superpower (for America is what Britain, For China it will be America) to screw up so it can take its place as the worlds super power.

The key thing about China is potential, they have a lot of it. If China was to mobilise for a "Total War" situation they would out power the USA. They have a huge population to draft into the military, and half of this population has already experienced military training. Many Chinese are becoming increasingly better educated, and this better education standard will reflect in their military hardware. Already China's military hardware is considerable, not quite as advanced as Western military equipment, that may well change in the coming decades.

However China's real strength lies in its industrial capacity. China's industrial output is insane, and if all those factories where turned over to make arms, China will simply out-produce the USA. For every tank America could make, China could say, make ten more. Not only that, there would be no shortage of personal to man these tanks either. Same goes for the Chinese navy, army and airforce. For instance, German Tiger tanks where better than the American Shermans, however the Allies had a lot more Shermans than Tigers- and so Allied tanks where still able to compete with the German tanks.

In a war situation, America's hope would be for an early victory over China, using its initial advantage of military readiness, training and firepower. However if America fails to eliminate China is the first year or two of warfare, i see the war sliding in the favour of the Chinese.

(I am of course, for matters of convenience, ignoring the use of nuclear weapons, where there would be no winners)
 

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Agent Larkin said:
murphy7801 said:
Agent Larkin said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
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5. Have you not learned? Everybody is strapped here. Getting rid of all guns.. Oh god. You would literally have to search every bit of land thoroughly or you might miss out on a near rebel military armory by civilians. :)
Sorry to disrail this slightly but because you said rebel military armory all I have in my mind now is some confederate soldier trying to do the Jedi mind trick on a foreign soldier ("These are not the weapons your looking for Y'Hear?") Just picture that for a minute and then you can thank me.

murphy7801 said:
Just EMP the whole country let them fight it out then mop up
Also this.
Glad you like, old system really divide and conquer. Plus you didn't even break the human rights.
Actually now that I think about it wasn't that the plot to the film "Goldeneye"?
Also what happen in the TV series dark angel but idea was in a book before then.
 

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So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

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murphy7801 said:
Agent Larkin said:
murphy7801 said:
Agent Larkin said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
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5. Have you not learned? Everybody is strapped here. Getting rid of all guns.. Oh god. You would literally have to search every bit of land thoroughly or you might miss out on a near rebel military armory by civilians. :)
Sorry to disrail this slightly but because you said rebel military armory all I have in my mind now is some confederate soldier trying to do the Jedi mind trick on a foreign soldier ("These are not the weapons your looking for Y'Hear?") Just picture that for a minute and then you can thank me.

murphy7801 said:
Just EMP the whole country let them fight it out then mop up
Also this.
Glad you like, old system really divide and conquer. Plus you didn't even break the human rights.
Actually now that I think about it wasn't that the plot to the film "Goldeneye"?
Also what happen in the TV series dark angel but idea was in a book before then.
Ah I didn't know that.