CRACKED: "6 Sexist Video Game Problems Even Bigger Than the Breasts"

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EstrogenicMuscle

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Beware, poor man-gamer man. For the world is on our side now!

Fear for your testosterone! Fear for your breasts! Fear for your body-builders! The fem-pire is here!
Run, coward! Run run run! I hunger! Beware, coward! I hunger.
RAWWWWR. I AM FEMISTAR. BEWARE, I LIVE.
 

bartholen_v1legacy

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Ugh, fuck this article and fuck Cracked. I stopped reading their shit because their exceedingly smug, post-modernist "Oh actually it doesn't work that way hmm hmm" attitude just sickened me. This "article" is nothing but shallow, lowest common denominator clickbait at its very worst. Oh, just because Samus' characterization got messed up with Other M and Lara was different from her past self in the new Tomb Raider, suddenly there's a problem of "Dominant turns submissive". And because Hotline Miami featured pixelated "rape" ONLY IN THE TRAILER and there was a near-rape scene in Heavy Rain, now games all glorify rape.

Seriously, fuck that and fuck whatever fuckwad wrote that piece of shit article.

What are you talking about? No, I'm not jaded about the sexism discussion at all!
 

SacremPyrobolum

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MarsAtlas said:
Reeve said:
So even Cracked has got in on the gender issues in videogames bandwagon: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-sexist-video-game-problems-even-bigger-than-breasts_p1/#ixzz2fNWnPC8E

Amongst other things, they claim that The Last Of Us and BioShock Infinite are sexist because Ellie and Elizabeth need the help of the male main character. >.<
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) )
Goddammit, that was fucking depressing, my Friday is ruined.

OT: I saw it, and I just have to say that it only confirms to me what I already believed; context is everything.

Burly Bear Man Joel comforting Emotionally Unstable Helpless Little Girl Ellie might seem like an eye-rolling cliche, but consider how she behaved through out the game, sometimes going beyond what Joel would do (such as shanking that guard at the beginning)and what had happened before the scene with her stabbing the fuck out of her scary cannibal murder rapist captive who captured and hunted her.
 

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EstrogenicMuscle said:
RAWWWWR. I AM FEMISTAR. BEWARE, I LIVE.
Can I have a tour of your place? I am partial to fortresses of doom because I need to rip off their architecture for my own just like taking pictures of such places! Devices and contraptions to make the manliest of all men wish they had brought their brown pants are just icing on the cake.

(Thanks for your post, love it)
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Not untill every character is an emotionless, featureless grey entity shall we achieve gender equality in games.
*sign*

Currently, if i WERE a Game Designer, i wouldnt even TRY to make a female character. It's gonna be bashed anyway. Dear God shes wearing a skirt! Sexist Pig! I see some skin beneath that armor! Begone villainous swine, and take your anti-woman Propaganda with you this instant! She cried for a few seconds! No women in history ever cried! How dare you portray women as humans with actual flaws and emotions!

Seriously. Its heading for the "If it isnt focused on good female characters and displays them over the top, its automatically bad." station. I fu*king smell it. I see actually good female Characters drowning beneath this giant horde of idiots setting false standards.
 

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Dr. Cakey said:
The Escapist is elitist, misogynist, and has a fascist moderating team. That's its "thing", its character gimmick, what have you.
Do you include yourself in "The Escapist" or not?

OP:
I've to agree with the general content if not the examples.

In all media women generally have daddy issues and can't be happy without a strong man in their life. The damsel in distress is a really old trope, but the age of these phenomena and the fact that it's not exclusive to video games doesn't make it all right. The best thing is to put good (no idea what "good" actually is) women in more games, certainly not saying that every game here on out needs a female protagonist though.

Regarding 3 I think (my entirely baseless conjecture) is that we know that rape is bad and because of this it is used in media as some sort of character building. Some female leads are strong because they got raped when they were younger (main reason why I stopped watching "Top of the lake".

Regarding 2 I don't really think I've experienced that, I don't count Borderlands since Lily, Maya and Gaige are some of the best characters in their respective games. But I'm sure there's some games that still use it.

Regarding 1 yes sexism irl is always worse than sexism in media since you know it happens to real people. The main sexism related problems are women not being paid equally (for the same job) and the poor representation of women in politics. But regarding that some gamers are total assholes to women (I say some since I at least no I'm not a total asshole,well I hope so anyway) the best thing is to call them out on it, and yes it's way better to be a white knight than an asshole since being nice probably won't harm anyone.
 

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The Ubermensch said:
I've had an interesting relationship with Feminism, which is what this is, second wave feminism. I wish the third wave feminist would stop calling what they're doing feminism, and call it egalitarianism or something.
Third wave feminism was back in the 90s. Aren't we onto the fourth wave at this point? :D
 

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Jasper van Heycop said:
Not disagreeing with your points here (I mostly agree actually) but might I say that your profile name scares the fuck out of me? I really hope there is some ironic context I'm missing...?
Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy of the Ubermensch was usurped and perverted by the Axis during World War II if that's what you're referring too. It was Nietzsche's opinion that man had outgrown god, and could build upon themselves, and as such, if you had out grown god, you had outgrown any privileges or hindrances that birth had given. Each man was his own man and had a duty to become or support the Ubermensch, the Over man, the Transhuman if you will. He looked down on racial supremacists, saying that if he had his way they would be culled from the earth.

Perhaps something got lost in translation?

Phrozenflame500 said:
I never understood this argument, because it isn't really an argument. You're agreeing sexualization of violence against women is bad, but then you sting in something about men for some reason. Men's Right is not the opposite of woman's rights, having bad stuff on the men's side doesn't justify bad stuff on the woman's side.
I did say as much, but I don't think I clarified. So what I'll do instead is give you an anecdote in an attempt to explain my reasoning behind this argument.

There was a girl I liked, we were seeing each other a bit, but we hadn't done anything. I, at the time, considered her a smart girl, she could hold a conversation about my interests which she ended up sharing, and argue back.

So long story short pant comes off and she starts freaking out because I'm not circumcised, I didn't know there was an issue with this, I mean, I knew that uncircumcised men could carry the fungi that cause cervical cancer, but that's a hygiene thing... And I clean...

Now I really liked this girl so I considered having a circumcision, so I looked into it. I not only found out that I was right, but the actual removal of the foreskin causes nerve death resulting in a reduction of sensitivity. I presented, a person that I thought was a logical thinking person that I adored mind you, citations about this.

She was not interested in hearing it, resulting in an argument. This repeated as I talked to others. Now to me this is akin to vaginal mutilation which is openly discussed and universally condemned, and penis mutilation is institutionalised.

This has parallels to female on male rape, which my mother denied ever happening until I showed her news reports which she dismissed.

I'm making a criticism of the feminist movement in general, where "You go girl" is the cry of the audience involving a woman wielding a knife and a man and his toger. I'm saying it's hypocritical to call foul when cohort 1 wrongs cohort 2 but to say nothing or even cheer when cohort 2 does something comparable to cohort 1.

Pet peeve of mine, that isn't what a Strawman Argument is, the author isn't misrepresenting the opposing argument, he's just using faulty evidence for his own argument.
You are quite correct, I was in rant modo. I meant logical fallacy in the form of cherry picking data or "Bias Confirmation"... I think.

I of course used Anecdotal Evidence, but I argue that I use that to show where my personal opinion comes from and leave it there for people to agree or disagree with.
 

The Ubermensch

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Moth_Monk said:
The Ubermensch said:
I've had an interesting relationship with Feminism, which is what this is, second wave feminism. I wish the third wave feminist would stop calling what they're doing feminism, and call it egalitarianism or something.
Third wave feminism was back in the 90s. Aren't we onto the fourth wave at this point? :D
Don't go there man; it's not worth it. Why the egalitarians still feel like calling it feminism and cohorting themselves with the bigots is beyond me to begin with.
 

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Phrozenflame500 said:
The Ubermensch said:
And number 3? If you cut off a guys dick and you're a woman you go on a talk show circuit, if you forcibly ripped out a woman's ovaries and you're a man you're a war criminal in need of torture. I'm not saying that rape is good, I'm saying that damage to my equipment is both painful and terrifying, and it's been a popular culture thing since the three stooges. You know, with forgetting all the things wrong with institutionalised penis mutilation, because despite what you think there is a fuck tonne wrong with unnecessary circumcision, as in a 50% loss of nerve endings.
I never understood this argument, because it isn't really an argument. You're agreeing sexualization of violence against women is bad, but then you sting in something about men for some reason. Men's Right is not the opposite of woman's rights, having bad stuff on the men's side doesn't justify bad stuff on the woman's side.
You know we really should start changing Mens Rights to White Heterosexual Cisgenedered Male's Rights (W.H.C.M.R) because Black Men have gone through turmoil, Homosexual Men have gone through turmoil, and Transexual Men have gone through turmoil and they probably wouldn't want to be associated with whiny white boys complaining about the "evil feminists" taking their games away.
 

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SuperScrub said:
You know we really should start changing Mens Rights to White Heterosexual Cisgenedered Male's Rights (W.H.C.M.R) because Black Men have gone through turmoil, Homosexual Men have gone through turmoil, and Transexual Men have gone through turmoil and they probably wouldn't want to be associated with whiny white boys complaining about the "evil feminists" taking their games away.
Add to that "Anglosaxon" too I suppose, specially seeing as where I live, well, there's hardly any "white privilege" because an overwhelming majority of people are white, yet some are still being discriminated against based on their ethnicity...Or, hell, just call it "Men's Rights Movement Members' Rights" or something.
 

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This is simply some radical feminist BS. Despite being a feminist myself, I disagree with many of these points, and I cannot bear to let this represent all of us:

6: Daddy issues- Yes, they exist. It adds depth to a character and reveals specific insecurities. Even if this would be considered an offensively sexist trait, I haven't seen this trope used improperly enough to be a trend.

5: Damsel- Yes, I get it. The damsel is bad writing. The industry is doing everything in its power to progress past this embarrassment of a plot. We're working on it.

4: Dominant/Passive- Once again, this is simply bad writing. It breaks continuity and destroys verisimilitude. But, unlike the damsel, I don't see this enough to consider this something that needs fixing.

3: Rape- The writer simply complains that it exists in games without analyzing how it is used. This is a new concept to gaming and is never treated casually when it is implemented.

2: Woman Class- The example was of a game that was made in 1999. This is completely out of date. Because of the archaic example, I discredited the entire argument even though it probably holds water in today's gaming market.

1: Real world- Yes, the video game community can be despicable. As time passes, the community will mature.
 

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The problem is that I agree with pretty much everything in the article, Bioshock Infinite was built entirely around the Damsel in distress plotline and any attempts to subvert it, in my opinion, fell well short of the mark of having anything meaningful to say. It was a fantastic game, but Elizabeth, despite all her physical strengths, was an extremely weak character (especially with how she is 'raped' by songbird; listen to the dev commentary; that is how they intended it to come out).

(Haven't player the Last of Us)


Importantly though, the article helped people to understand that big breasts in silly games that unabashedly objectify women are less of an issue than well-respected, well-reviewed games that are still written within the confines of male-dominated media.
 

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BNguyen said:
Jeez, I'm sick and tired of seeing people think how either all women need to be emotionally dead powerhouses or have practically no women at all because "oohh, this female character has emotions, she must be weak".
What you mention here is something I've been on about for ages. The whole "emotionally dead powerhouses" thing is a massive, massive issue with the way males are portrayed and objectified in games. It seems like a lot of the time, people aren't asking for "well written female characters" they are asking for badly written male character tropes to be shifted to female characters. Why anyone would want this is beyond me, given the complaint that games are filled with these tropes already. Bad, cliched writing is clearly apparent with both female and male characters and should be called out as such. The sexism sword, with regards to stereotyped characters, cuts both ways and I would love it to death if we could address the issue that way.

A great deal of the reason I want female lead protagonists more is because I want to play something other than Biff McBeefneck, the emotionally dead-eyed wonder who crushes empathy under his steel-toed boot. If they do make more female protagonists and they just dump the same bad writing and junk stories on them, does that really do anything to further video games? As much as I want female protagonists, I also want more male protagonists that aren't a bunch of objectification, stereotypes and cliches as well. If I can see my strong male character weeping over the fact that he just lost his family instead of jumping right to not shaving, a 1,000 yard stare, and a tumbler of scotch (Because alcoholism is the way REAL men deal with anguish!), I'd just die of giddiness.

Edit: fixed my misquote, I hope.
 

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Vegosiux said:
SuperScrub said:
You know we really should start changing Mens Rights to White Heterosexual Cisgenedered Male's Rights (W.H.C.M.R) because Black Men have gone through turmoil, Homosexual Men have gone through turmoil, and Transexual Men have gone through turmoil and they probably wouldn't want to be associated with whiny white boys complaining about the "evil feminists" taking their games away.
Add to that "Anglosaxon" too I suppose, specially seeing as where I live, well, there's hardly any "white privilege" because an overwhelming majority of people are white, yet some are still being discriminated against based on their ethnicity...Or, hell, just call it "Men's Rights Movement Members' Rights" or something.
Oh god White people are infighting among each other that's both sad and hilarious. Anyway White Heterosexual Cisgenedered Anglosaxon Men's Rights (WHCAMR) works but it doesn't really role off the tongue so we can call it "Men's Rights Movement Members' Rights" for now until we can come up with a better acronym