Crazy naked dude chews a man's face off

[Cyrus Hanley]

So the stereotypical European do not want policemen shooting crazy people? Well I'm ok with that. And I must say, I am not against policemen wearing and using their guns, I'm just saying that he could have stopped him in a different way, like shooting him in the legs. But given the circumstance, I guess he freaked out. I would've.

LOL. Maybe if it was a Hollywood movie or television show.

 

[Daffy F]

God-damn it I need follow-up information! Anyone?

 

[Sebass]

It was probably cocaine psychosis.

actually the cops say it was LSD.

Oh lawd.

No, this was PCP. Period. The media is jerking off on everything 'bath salts' that they don't even give a fuck about what's true or not. This was not 'the new LSD' this was not 'bath salts' this was PCP. Period.

Wikipedia:

Psychological effects include severe changes in body image, loss of ego boundaries, paranoia and depersonalization. Hallucinations, euphoria, suicidal impulses and aggressive behavior are reported.[29][31] The drug has been known to alter mood states in an unpredictable fashion, causing some individuals to become detached, and others to become animated. Intoxicated individuals may act in an unpredictable fashion, possibly driven by their delusions and hallucinations. PCP may induce feelings of strength, power, and invulnerability as well as a numbing effect on the mind.[5] Occasionally, this leads to bizarre acts of violence, such as in the case of Big Lurch, former Texan Rapper who claimed his room mate was the devil and ate part of her lung. [32] However, studies by the Drug Abuse Warning Network in the 1970s show that media reports of PCP-induced violence are greatly exaggerated and that incidents of violence were unusual and often (but not always) limited to individuals with reputations for aggression regardless of drug use.[33] The reports in question often dealt with a supposed increase in strength imparted by the drug; this could partially be explained by the anaesthetic effects of the drug. The most commonly-cited types of incidents included self-mutilation of various types, breaking handcuffs (a feat reportedly requiring about 10,000lbs of force to break a stainless steel chain of typical diameter), inflicting remarkable property damage, and pulling one's own teeth.[33][34][32]

- Aggressive behavior: check

- Driven by delusions and hallucinations: check

- induce feelings of strength, power, and invulnerability as well as a numbing effect on the mind: check

- Cannibalism: check

- supposed increase in strength imparted by the drug; this could partially be explained by the anaesthetic effects of the drug: check

I hate all this bath salts bullshit. I saw some article where some 'expert' said bath salts were 'the worst of cocaine, heroin, XTC and LSD together" Ridiculous.

 

[Josh123914]

What is this bath salts thing anyway? I'm probably out of the drug loop but this thread is probably the first I've heard of it.

 

[crazyarms33]

I'm just saying that he could have stopped him in a different way, like shooting him in the legs. But given the circumstance, I guess he freaked out. I would've.

Clearly you have never fired a weapon in your life. You want to know why they teach you to shoot them in the chest? It's the biggest target with the most potential to incapacitate or kill the subject. Assuming the cop was shooting hollow point bullets,(I don't know if he was) and shot him in the leg with said hollow point round, which shatters on impact in order to rip and tear the target's tissue, it would have killed him anyway if it was in the thigh. That artery down there ain't nothing to mess with.

So you wanted him to shoot him in the shin? Which is 2 inches wide and less than 2 feet tall? Yeah, maybe a professional shooter but not the average cop.

PS
I would've freaked out too.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

You left out the part where after one warning, the guy growled and continued to eat the victim's (still alive) face. It was one cop. A victim was in the process of being fucking eaten. If I was the victim, I would've kind of expected the officer to help me out at this point and remove the threat of the asshole eating my face with a bit more than a 69% chance (though in this case, as we saw, even an initial gunshot didn't stop him, so I think we can, in hindsight say the taser WOULDN'T have worked).

If I was the police officer, alone on the scene, a victim was currently being murdered and a clearly crazed man was the attacker, you can be damn straight I'd have made the same call the officer did, rather than possibly becoming a second victim myself, and now putting my weapons in the hands of a crazed cannibal.

Also, to the whole clueless "shoot him in the leg, guns can do that right?" argument people who have no clue what they're talking about always seem to bring up... most people, even those trained in the use of firearms, under extreme stress, don't shoot that well. Police don't get special forces training, police don't get to shoot tens of thousands of rounds a year in weapons familiarization and training like special military units do, and hence, shouldn't be trusted to try to shoot to immobilize.

We always see this dumb argument of "they should've shot them in the arm/leg/etc. instead of just killing them!" How would that same person respond if the officer in question had shot to immobilize, and either missed, and the stray bullet hit a child 2 blocks away, or another good possibility, the round hits the leg/arm, overpenetrates the leg/arm (seriously, 3-4 inches of soft tissue isn't going to stop a LE FMJ load) and kills someone 2 blocks away? Watching TV/Movies and playing video games doesn't qualify someone to try to argue a point about real-life firearms.

I thought the tazer initially, too, but there have been situations where that didn't work and just killed the perpetrator slowly and painfully. Also, keep in mind that if you electrocute a naked guy on top of another naked guy, you electrocute two naked guys. Imagine putting pepper spray on an open wound like that. The victim was barely hanging onto life at that point, I imagine.

But yes, anyone who thinks guns have a "stun" function or melee attack plays too many video games. A coroner once told our anatomy class about a woman who was shot by her boyfriend in the ass. He didn't intend to kill her, but it bounced off of her pelvis and went straight to her heart. All that effort to hit the leg and he'd probably miss and hit the victim. Even if you did hit the leg, you might hit a major artery and still kill the guy. Try to knock the guy out with a baton or pistol whip and you risk getting overtaken and losing your weapon.

First rule of shooting people - always shoot to kill because A. You'll probably kill the person anyways and B. You don't want to have to deal with someone you just shot who is coming at you.

Aim for the body. You have an 80% chance of a critical hit with possible splash damage if you've got the bloody mess perk. Now they'll understand...

 

[Dyllbert]

Zombie apocalypse anyone?

Nope, just Florida.

Everybody knows the zombie apocalypse will start in Florida because it is so HOT.

 

[Zanderinfal]

Captcha: don't tase me

Well, how about that.

Holy shit....

That CANNOT be a coincidence! RUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!!!!

 

[cswurt]

Just because a guy strips down naked and goes out and chews someone's face off, everyone's going to call him CRAZY?
What an intolerant world we live in.

 

[AstylahAthrys]

Oh no, the poor crazy cannibal who ate someone's face while he was still alive, effectively torturing him. Why did the police have to shoot him? *sigh* What a terrible situation, sucks that he died but when you're a lone officer watching someone chew a face off, you really don't have a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in Hollywood Dreamland. Considering the dude was eating a face, it isn't unlikely that if the officer tried to go in for a non-lethal attack the pseudo-zombie-dude would have just attacked him.

 

[Iron Criterion]

First of all any hit to that area hard enough to immobilize him would have also been hard enough to severely injure him and potentially kill him.

Punching people hard enough to make their head fly off only happens in cartoons fortunately, so that's not true.

As for nerve damage, yes, that will happen with such a blow. Like I said, that's why it's banned from all fighting sports. It's a preferable alternative to killing someone though. The headaches go away after a week or two, dead people however stay dead.

Second of all hitting the correct area is difficult enough if you are trained and using an implement that is good for that.

It's every bit between the shoulders and head itself. Hard to miss. And like I said: even a half hit is a stunner that gives plenty of time to place the next.

Third of all any physical attack against the man would have transferred to his victim and since he is biting the guy?s face (and I assume the back of his head is up against something), do the math.

No, it wouldn't. You're incorrectly thinking you're pushing his head forward because you have no experience with it. The stun isn't from the force, it's because you're striking at nerve clusterings which aren't protected by bone. People get knocked out because the blow overloads the nerves and they cease to function momentarily. The force gets directed into a backwards tilt of the head which adds to the impact. It's actually a great way to detach someone who's biting something. The moment the blow strikes home his jaw will just lose tension because the nerves transmitting the command to tense up simply overload.

Fourth given that the type of drug was unknown at the time they cannot assume that that would have worked.

Like I said: It works on everyone. There are no chemical substances which protect from that kind of overload.

t is not enough to stop a person in close quarters especially if that person is psychotic. Advanced self-defense practice includes training for blind fighting and you would not believe the damage you can you simply by wailing on someone

If a little angry screaming killed you, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be here right now. Where do you get all these weird ideas about physical confrontations?

Also, once again, since the brains limiter is off there is no reason to believe that a potentially debilitating injury will phase him.

I'll say it again: it works on everyone, no matter how big, hard, or drugged up they are.

As for the pepperspray thing, I'd suggest trying it on yourself some day. If you haven't got a hold of the person you need to attack when it happens, chances you'll manage are pretty slim. That's why you don't ask questions or wait, but go all-out if someone draws a weapon; if you wait, you're in trouble, and someone who uses a weapon deserves whatever you manage to do to them anyway.

Good to know that if I pinned you down and started eating your face, you'd still defend me. I call it the "do whatever you like card" because no matter what you do, no one deserves to be killed right?

I'll never understand those crying about a crazed cannibal being lawfully killed.

 

[Antonio Torrente]

So the trope Only In Florida [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OnlyInFlorida] is in full action here huh?

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with that state?
It seems that most (if not all) of the weird stuff that happens in America gets funneled there.

 

[crazyarms33]

Soooo, I have already commented on this thread. But can SOMEONE please tell me how lethal force was NOT justified in this case? Please only respond if you have actually fired a gun, otherwise I will judge you as an FPS video game player which has as much bearing on real life as claiming you're the best farmer ever does, when you spend your days playing farmville and claiming it makes you the best best farmer ever....

 

[crazyarms33]

The only real problem I can see is that the LEO apparently fired into the guy while he was on top of his victim. That is very dangerous for the victim.

I agree with that. I think the victims safety is paramount, however I can't say that in this case I wouldn't have not pulled the trigger. Also though if the man didn't respond to verbal commands, is there another option? I ask in all seriousness, cuz I don't see one and would like perspective.