Crime out of control...

[matrix3509]

Two words: Krav Maga.
Learn that, buy a gun for your house, and feel a little safer.

EDIT:

If you can, buy a gun.

Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.

That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.

very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burgulars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)

Well if an armed robber has a gun, you can shoot them and just say you felt your life was threatened.

But in the street, I guess it IS retarded.

I was not talking about the legal aspect. You fire at a burglar. You have three realistic options. Option 1. You miss he shoots at you and you die or get seriously injured. option 2. You kill him but his mates kill you. (now or later does not matter.) Option 3 you kill him and you recieve no retaliation.

Now if you dont shoot there are these are the most probable outcomes. Option 1 they steal your valubales. (if you have isurance I guess you are coverd i a way.) Option 2 they steal and kick your ass. However humiliating you dont die. Option 3. They steal your stuff and kill you. (This is highly unlickely because thives dont want to have murder charges on themselves. Besides the police spend alot of efort trying to catch murderers. I thought this was obviuos.)

They wich is the safest course? hmmmmm?

Oh OF COURSE! So I should just let criminals have free run over my house and do nothing to protect myself. Thanks for clearing that up.

I would rather lose my life in a gunfight that to be bent over and executed like some miserable dog.

And before you say, "Oh well most burglers don't have intent to kill," know this, would you be willing to play odds like that when your life could be in danger? No, I say.

EDIT: You would have to be a retard, to just stand in the open and shoot at a bunch of people. I would have thought years of playing FPS games would have taught us all that by now.

 

[Hallow'sEve]

Don a cape and become a vigilante, it's the only way out.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

You have one option: Go vigilante baby!
EDIT: ^Dammit!

 

[stevetastic]

i live in London and two weeks ago i would have said alright but i know two people mugged at knife point and one boy in my school who got stabbed in the neck (he survived) the kids a dick though tried to start fights with everyone though years 7 8 and 9 then dealt drugs. though that don't mean he deserves to get stabbed.

 

[JRslinger]

I'm lucky to live in a suburb where violent crime is rare.

very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burglars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)

Very few criminals die that way because most run away when their intended victim pulls a gun. Also our ER's save the lives of most people who get shot.

Whether or not a burglar deserves to die is less important than a persons right to defend himself. When a burglar invades someones home, the homeowner is in reasonable fear for his life and the law should give him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise burlgars will feel safe to commit their favorite crime often and more innocent people will be hurt or killed in burglaries.

In America burglars know they risk getting shot, which is why most of them break into unoccupied houses.

Crime makes me want to live somewhere as far away from people as possible... But hey, I'm glad I don't live in America, you guys seem to get the worst of it.

The worst of it happens mostly in the ghettos where gangs are strongest.

 

[SkinnySlim]

Well, I wouldn't say that I am exaggerating, the muggings on the kids is absolutely true (12 kids in one morning!), and when that is going down, something is wrong. The beat down on the old folks is the second time this has come up in a week in my area. Not only that, but a few weeks ago, two kids broke into an old fellas house, shot him and cut his wife's throat, all because they wanted liquor. I'm not referring to any statistics when I say "out of control", but I don't recall old folks and school kids getting fucked over so much in my town.

oh, and the recidivism joke above was the best laugh I've had all day. 100%, ha!

 

[LewsTherin]

Until death sentence by torture for murder/attempted murder is introduced crime will prosper...

Uhm... I really don't think that a death sentence would help.

Death sentences only work if it's the punishment for EVERYTHING. But we don't play fascism around these parts.

 

[Bachanomon92]

Wow...
What kind of assholes rob children, let alone beat up elderly people in their own home?

The worst thing that I've heard of in my neighborhood was when my brother got held up in front of a library by some amateur gang a knife-point for his 5 dollar watch.
Oh boy..... they really hit the jackpot

Humans... However I don't think this has to do with the economy. A few MP3 players aren't going to pay many bills. Sounds more like thrill crimes.

EDIT: What kind of asshole? Usually Children rob children...

Ahem: Most Strong arm style robberies are not well planned out they choose people that look like an easy target more than a lucrative one. The object is often to get the most reward with the most minimal risk/effort (Most criminals, especially thug style, are really fucking lazy). The motivation is often drug related or as mentioned the risk/reward factor.

Tip:
Carry two wallets, one with about $5-10 in it and expired credit cards and driver's license if such a thing is allowed in your state/country, also fill it with a small amount of clutter. Hand the dummy wallet when being mugged.

That's actually a pretty good idea... Thanks for the tip!

 

[Beffudled Sheep]

OK, I gotta vent. Thursday, four different groups of kids were robbed, at gun point, while waiting for their school bus, with one kid getting pistol whipped. The thieves made off with a few bucks, MP3 players, and a few other minor things. Then, friday, an elderly couple two blocks down the road were beaten and robbed in their own home. Those guys made off with a purse, nothing else. A donation box for the poor was stolen from downtown. Some poor guy was pistol whipped while sitting in his car waiting for his friends last night. This shit is happening every day in my town, and it's only going to get worse as the economy gets worse. The people around here are fed up, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before vigilante justice starts popping up. How's crime going in your neck of the woods?

Where do you live? That place sounds like it needs to be nuked! But anyway a friend of mine had his teddy bear stolen at gunpoint. The kid is mentally retarded

 

[Ursus Astrorum]

Only thing over here is teenage gangs, and there's rarely any crimes of note. Most of the time they just sit in the corners of downtown after midnight and act suspicious. I have had to bring a bokken down on someone before.

Fool tried to mug me while I was headed to spar with a friend. I heard him starting to run at me, pulled out my bokken from the duffle bag I was carrying, spun on one heel, cracked him upside the head, sheathed the sword, and kept walking with one fluid movement. As far as I know, the guy was on the floor for quite a while.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Living in darkest Cornwall here. Last month someone stole a turnip from a farmers field, and the month before that someone ran over a seagull. Thems be the only crimes we get round 'ere my 'andsome.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Well, I saw on the front of the local paper that my town now has its own group of vigilantes, which is ...either amusing or worrying, not sure which.

Change of plan after actually reading about it, appears the 'Merstham Vigilante group' seems to be a group of about 30 chavvy types from 18-35 ish, who are going around at night in balaclavas, carrying weapons, looking for people to deal with.

I can't help but think if I had my face on here, openly disagreeing with them, that I'd be getting a visit from some baseball bats in the near future, I don't think they're going to go as far as forensics before the violence starts.

I actually fear I may read 'Mike Patton beaten by masked thugs' soon, now, such is the evidence collecting quality of this group.

so few crimes are reported and far less end up in court, and then so few get any kind of sentence, and THEN so few end up with any jail time now, tho. It's not right, but I can understand why some people choose to take it into their own hands, and I'm just pleased I'm high up in flats where I can't be broken into easily.

 

[Meanmoose]

I'm lucky to live in a suburb where violent crime is rare.

very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burglars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)

Very few criminals die that way because most run away when their intended victim pulls a gun. Also our ER's save the lives of most people who get shot.

Whether or not a burglar deserves to die is less important than a persons right to defend himself. When a burglar invades someones home, the homeowner is in reasonable fear for his life and the law should give him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise burlgars will feel safe to commit their favorite crime often and more innocent people will be hurt or killed in burglaries.

In America burglars know they risk getting shot, which is why most of them break into unoccupied houses.

Some good points, but the fact remains that studies have shown you or one of your family is at much bigger risk of being killed if you own a gun.

In Norway, where I live it is considered quite odd to own a handgun. Because of theis most burgulars dont have handguns too. Burglaries are not more common here than in the united states.

The constant buying of handguns is a bad circle. With everyone buying guns for protection it is also more common for small time criminals to have them. I think It should be made much harder for people to get guns. I dont know if we should continue this discussion. The thread was not really about that. I am new to this forum. I dont know if we are allowed to take this discussion too far....

 

[Xvito]

Until death sentence by torture for murder/attempted murder is introduced crime will prosper...

Uhm... I really don't think that a death sentence would help.

Death sentences only work if it's the punishment for EVERYTHING. But we don't play fascism around these parts.

Death sentences never work. Because those who commit them will always think that they wont get caught, cause no one is going to do anything if they think that they'll get caught.

 

[Lukeydoodly]

Two words: Krav Maga.
Learn that, buy a gun for your house, and feel a little safer.

EDIT:

If you can, buy a gun.

Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.

That's why you point and SHOOT.
Only if they are in your house, though. Not on the street, that's retarded.

very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burgulars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)

Well if an armed robber has a gun, you can shoot them and just say you felt your life was threatened.

But in the street, I guess it IS retarded.

I was not talking about the legal aspect. You fire at a burglar. You have three realistic options. Option 1. You miss he shoots at you and you die or get seriously injured. option 2. You kill him but his mates kill you. (now or later does not matter.) Option 3 you kill him and you recieve no retaliation.

Now if you dont shoot there are these are the most probable outcomes. Option 1 they steal your valubales. (if you have isurance I guess you are coverd i a way.) Option 2 they steal and kick your ass. However humiliating you dont die. Option 3. They steal your stuff and kill you. (This is highly unlickely because thives dont want to have murder charges on themselves. Besides the police spend alot of efort trying to catch murderers. I thought this was obviuos.)

They wich is the safest course? hmmmmm?

Whoa whoa whoa! I think your thinking about it too much.

And Id rather not risk being killed in a humiliating way.

 

[Handofpwn]

I'm lucky to live in a suburb where violent crime is rare.

very few criminals die that way, and when you consider how many guns there is in america....
Besides does burglars deserve to die? Guns mostly make you feel safer. Its very dangerous shooting at numurous armed burglars. They might shoot back you see...

(your life or your posesions?)

Very few criminals die that way because most run away when their intended victim pulls a gun. Also our ER's save the lives of most people who get shot.

Whether or not a burglar deserves to die is less important than a persons right to defend himself. When a burglar invades someones home, the homeowner is in reasonable fear for his life and the law should give him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise burlgars will feel safe to commit their favorite crime often and more innocent people will be hurt or killed in burglaries.

In America burglars know they risk getting shot, which is why most of them break into unoccupied houses.

Some good points, but the fact remains that studies have shown you or one of your family is at much bigger risk of being killed if you own a gun.

In Norway, where I live it is considered quite odd to own a handgun. Because of theis most burgulars dont have handguns too. Burglaries are not more common here than in the united states.

The constant buying of handguns is a bad circle. With everyone buying guns for protection it is also more common for small time criminals to have them. I think It should be made much harder for people to get guns. I dont know if we should continue this discussion. The thread was not really about that. I am new to this forum. I dont know if we are allowed to take this discussion too far....

This is a fair point, also, when people buy a gun, very few of them go to a shooting range and practice with it. Now, I don't know about you, but I find the fact that people are running around with guns not knowing how to properly aim and shoot much more worrying than getting robbed. The fact is, unless you have at least a general knowledge of how to properly aim, you are putting yourself and anyone around you at risk when you fire a gun. Besides that, shotguns, in my opinion, are far superior home defense weapons. For one, shotguns make a loud scary noise which is going to alert your neighbors and make them know that some shit is going down. For another reason, shotguns are large and menacing, I mean, should I ever find myself robbing a house and the owner comes around with a shotgun I'm not going to think "Hah, I can take that." No, I am going to think "Time to drop what I stole and get the fuck out of here." That being said, some criminals do have the balls/ stupidity to take on a guy with a shotgun, so you are not 100 percent safe even with a shotgun.

Edit: Meanmoose, I fixed your quote tags for you, I hope that's ok.

 

[kdragon1010]

If you can, buy a gun.

Pointing a gun at armed robbers is a good way to get killed.

That is why you shoot before they do.

Oh and avoid letting them know you're armed is effective too.

Classes are taught about how to effectively use a firearm in self defense, I like them.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Generally the argument used for pro death penalty is that 'statistics show that criminals put to death reoffend far less than those who are not', which is a fair point, but still, not the ideal fix to a problem of a civilised society.

I'd say I prefer prisons, but they need to be tougher, but then I don't believe prison is the 'holiday camp' that the media make it out to be with free games consoles and porno in every cell and a free hooker and drugs at the weekend.

If all this nonsense was true, why don't all of the homeless just go kick a policeman in the knackers? Assaulting a police officer is a very serious crime, and should get a jail sentence, free roof over your head, free food, free everything and lots of bonus stuff too.

I don't know what British prisons are like, but having seen '30 days' the Morgan Spurlock vehicle, I sure don't want to end up in a US prison.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

.If all this nonsense was true, why don't all of the homeless just go kick a policeman in the knackers? Assaulting a police officer is a very serious crime, and should get a jail sentence, free roof over your head, free food, free everything and lots of bonus stuff too.

Like being beaten into a bleeding pulp and then savaged by police dogs. Rule one: Don't fuck with the fuzz. They will hurt you.

 

[eels05]

How's crime going in your neck of the woods?

In my city we seem to get alot of random bashings.Not really for money,just for a thrill.Like there's a competition amongst cock-heads to tally up the most amount of one hit knockouts to random strangers.

Also breaking into old peoples homes and sexually abusing them if their women plus bashing them,then finally taking their money,or just a plain old bashing for old men seems to be coming into vouge.
This in particular has made me utterly unsympathetic to the criminal underclass in my city.Like I give a fuck anymore if you think you had no choice in life but to steal and rape old women.Criminals are fucking pathetic.