CVG reveiws killzone 2

[D_987]

Edge already rated Killzone 2 fairly; 7/10.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.88241?page=4
The Edge review has been covered, and frankly is a pathetically bad review. Inconsistant describes what the reviewer wants from a game. A realistic game, with an unrealistic amount of character depth. He should have read a book if he wanted depth.

Call of Duty: World at War = 6/10
Killzone 2 = 7/10
F.E.A.R. 2 = 8/10

Considering Killzone 2 has done better than FEAR 2 in almost every review, who ever reviewed Killzone 2 should be shot. Fear 2 is nothing more than a remake of the first, so points for originality aren't there, whereas Killzone 2 offers a technically better, and more innovative game. Having played all 3 (just the demo of FEAR 2 though), Killzone is miles above CoD:WoW. To say it's a little bit better is just flat out bull.

The ignorance is astounding...how do I put this without possibly being banned?

. OK, shut up and look at the bigger picture - stop entrapping yourself behind your own viewpoint and actually think that others may have opinions.

1. Reviews don't matter
2. Reviews are often written by different people
3. Your opinion of Killzone 2 is exactly that - an opinion - if the reviewer thinks it worth an 8.7 then they will write it as so.

Again its just a fanboy rant - I could sum it up in satirical terms:

"WAGH! Killzone 2 didn't get 10 OMG!! CVG are soooooooo biased I mean FEAR 2 was shit but it only got 0.7 marks away from Killzone =O.
Killzone is the best game ever! Yeah, it must be! Its on the PS3! - I'm going to compare it to Halo 3 - you know, a game thats been out for over a year and a half, Halo is shit compared to Killzone - Halo is just sooo unoriginal, but Killzone isn't, it brings so many new features to the FPS genre it must be worth a 10/10 lets take lines out of a review and claim the guy who reviewed Halo 3 must have been a fanboy - you know because Killzone is so good anyone who didn't give it an instant 10 knows nothing about video games!

I'm going to keep whining and moaning on a forum about a video game score instead of actually playing said game - its that good..."

Just...stop acting as though everyone has to share your opinion, go watch Adam Sesslers reply to Killzone 2 fanboys on X-play.

 

[Jumplion]

Whatever, I'm just sick of everyone saying that it's "MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR PERFECT GAMES!#^!#^" when they're the same people who say "It's just their opinion!"

If you can develop an objective system for measuring the quality of any medium (I don't want to make the task more difficulty by specifiying video games) then you might have an argument. At the end of the day, a score is nothing more than a ruse that presents the assumption that there was some sort of objective basis for the conclusion (it has numers, numbers come from math, math cannot lie, therefore numbers are truth!) when it's nothing more than an arbitray evaluation on the overall impact of a product on a particular reviewer of body of reviewers. When I see a perfect score, I do not assume that the game is absolutely perfect - in fact I don't even assume that the reviewer thought it was perfect. That said, when a game is given a perfect score the implication IS perfection.

Sorry, it didn't quote all the way so I didn't know about it.

Anyway, I won't disagree with everything you've said as I've already given my opinion on what 10/10s mean.

But it does mainly depend on how easily the reviewers give away the 10s. X-Play give 5/5s to every over-hyped piece of shit piece of golden nugget that goes their way, but a 5/5 from them means AMAZING with few flaws to detriment it completely.

Actually, this is why I love (and I mean LOVE) the 5/5 system. It is a perfect (har har, irony) system that shows what's good and what's not. It's how most movies are rated, and you don't see people complaining how this and that got a "perfect" score from a 5/5, do you?

Here;

5/5 = An AMAZING game! A must buy!!
4/5 = A VERY good game! Anyone who's moderately interested, go buy it!
3/5 = Average. Pretty decent for anyone who likes it.
2/5 = Not that great. Maybe for fans of the series/genre, but it's not recomended
1/5 = Piss poor, stay away from at all costs!

There is no "in-betweens" and all that crap, it's all clearly shown and rated.

 

[SinisterDeath]

What the fanboys are probably mad about is, that Halo got better marks than KZ2.
Halo 9/10
Halo 2 9/10
Halo 3 9.7/10
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/search.php?query=halo

Now, thats not to say an 8.7 is a bad score. Nah its about right. I still haven't touched the multi-player of the game yet.
Now, the question is this. How much did 'no co-op' reduce there score? Would it have been a 9.7 if it had co-op?
IF that were the case, thats just BS.
Would it have been 8.8?
Thats fine.

I don't see co-op working in KZ2. Aside from a technical point of view, I just don't believe it would work in this game.

Now if you want a critism, it should be, they took a 3 hour story, and shuvved it into a 7 hour game.

 

[Vlane]

What the fanboys are probably mad about is, that Halo got better marks than KZ2.
Halo 9/10
Halo 2 9/10
Halo 3 9.7/10
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/search.php?query=halo

Now, thats not to say an 8.7 is a bad score. Nah its about right. I still haven't touched the multi-player of the game yet.
Now, the question is this. How much did 'no co-op' reduce there score? Would it have been a 9.7 if it had co-op?
IF that were the case, thats just BS.
Would it have been 8.8?
Thats fine.

I don't see co-op working in KZ2. Aside from a technical point of view, I just don't believe it would work in this game.

Now if you want a critism, it should be, they took a 3 hour story, and shuvved it into a 7 hour game.

It would work in Killzone 2 very well because almost all the time you have somebody on your side (Rico, Garza or Natko).

 

[SinisterDeath]

It would work in Killzone 2 very well because almost all the time you have somebody on your side (Rico, Garza or Natko).

If you go that route, then you have other issues.
Most of the time those npcs are scripted to be at a certain place at a certain time.
They'd also have to create more animations for the fPS portion to actually 'open' the various doors that they 'open'.

Then theres the times your 'solo'. You just saw the guy leave. Why would he be following you?

Then you have.
Offline Co-op or On-line? you gotta have both. Having only one sucks.
and why should I 'help' some random ass-hole beat his game if he can't do it himself?

Oh, it would also trivilize some of the boss encounters!!

Anyways, I believe one of the main reasons it don't have co-op is a technical aspect of it. Its a 'graphically intense' game for the ps3. Its like running Crysis on HIGH on your pc. So I Doubt having 'two instances' of that game running are going to do very well 'co-op' wise...
You know, unless they have you two using the same camera...

 

[Vlane]

If you go that route, then you have other issues.
Most of the time those npcs are scripted to be at a certain place at a certain time.
They'd also have to create more animations for the fPS portion to actually 'open' the various doors that they 'open'.

I don't think those animations would be too much of a problem.

Then theres the times your 'solo'. You just saw the guy leave. Why would he be following you?

The second player could do something else while you go your path. That would defeat the point of co-op but it would solve this particular problem.

Then you have.
Offline Co-op or On-line? you gotta have both. Having only one sucks.
and why should I 'help' some random ass-hole beat his game if he can't do it himself?

I prefer the offline co-op. Online co-op is stupid because it's harder to say the guy what he should do. Resistance 1 did the offline co-op quite well.

Oh, it would also trivilize some of the boss encounters!!

Which one do you mean?

Anyways, I believe one of the main reasons it don't have co-op is a technical aspect of it. Its a 'graphically intense' game for the ps3. Its like running Crysis on HIGH on your pc. So I Doubt having 'two instances' of that game running are going to do very well 'co-op' wise...
You know, unless they have you two using the same camera...

Yes that was probably the main problem. Maybe it would work but we will never find out.

I don't demand co-op and I don't miss it in this game.

 

[gamegod25]

"Marked down for no co-op? What the ****!?

Did Halo 3 have co-op? NO"

lol yeah it does. It has FOUR PLAYER co-op XD

And is it just me, or do the PS3 fanboys seem to be far worse than most other varieties? From what I've seen of the KZ2 reviews and their comments, there seems to be a great collective chip on the shoulder of many of these people...

No, they are just the loudest right now. All fanboys, of any kind, are utter trash. When you complain that a game didn't get a 10/10, or still complain even if it did, then you need to go stick your head in the microwave and set it to full power.

 

[D_987]

I believe in the idea that there are good & bad opinions, ones which are well informed and unbiased, and others which are not.

You know why I haven't read any Killzone 2 reviews - because I don't care about the game. But I disagree with the above post as some opinions are clouded / delusional.

First things first - why do you care so much about reviews? If you like the game then they are never going to change your opinion - I personally beleive Killzone 2 is a polished shooter with no innovation or ant form of advances in the genre - on my personal scoring system I would give it an 8.

The fact you seem so obsessed with comparing the reviews of Halo and Killzone again draws me the conclusion of...fanboy - which your posts seem to indicate.

Your "points" that a certain site is better at reviews than others is subjective, just because a site doesn't feel the same way you do doesn't make them wrong - as for the contradictions - thats poor writing as they are not explaining their ideas fully - but it doesn't make them wrong.

I'm only a fanboy when you can prove how my view is wrong, or at the least how you think differently with some sort of proof other than immature, unfounded insults

You do realize that peoples interpretations of a fanboy are different...right? I think your a fanboy because you effectively whining about reviews going as a far as to compare games that were released years ago. Simple.

Stop for a second & analysis what your criticizing, I did, and you totally skipped over it. So when you feel ready to discuss this like an adult with rational points, I'll be happy to further this

Nice subtle insult...oh wait, it wasn't the least bit subtle - my mistake (how very "adult"). I don't want to continue this conversation - I utterly despise fanboy's - especially those who either take things of of context or moan about something for no reason (your "quotes" from reviews and this incessant whining about reviews).

In short, you don't have a case in my eyes because all reviews are subjective. As said previously, your ideal review may be wrong in someone elses eyes (mine).

P.S - I skimmed through your post because the lack of paragraphs made it hard to read.

 

[SomeBritishDude]

Killzone 2 has a attracted a quite a strange amount of fanboyism for a game that doesn't that different from Halo or CoD or Half Life or any other shooter for that matter.

The problem is that with so few exclusive and low sales PS3 fanboys seem to being pinning all their on this game to make their console popular. After MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet both took a stab and missed at saving the console I can imagine they're getting a little desperate.

The less major game reviewers (aka the ones haven't sold out and aren't scared of fanboys) have all been saying the same thing "It's not bad but it's not great either"

Ok, you personally need to just go the fuck away from this place. I will tolerate discourse well, especially in a subject such as this, and try to engage on an intelligent level to deliver another point of view, but you are simply just being an idiot. Until you know what the hell you are talking about, just go away.

Wow...Ok, cool down a little. I didn't think you where idiot enough to sink to this level. You like the game, thats fine, this is the situation as I see it. I can understand why you'd disagree with me but if do at least try to get your point across. Don't just tell me to fuck off. It's not a great arguement.

Eh, this part;

"The problem is that with so few exclusive and low sales PS3 fanboys seem to being pinning all their on this game to make their console popular. After MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet both took a stab and missed at saving the console I can imagine they're getting a little desperate."

That set him off.

Personally, I completely disagree with you right there, as time and time again people have disproved that statement over and over again.(*coughcoughResistance2Killzone2MGS4LBPUnchartedWarhawkManyPSNtitlesratchet+clanktonameafew[/loud cough]*) And also, personally, I think it was extremely snark of you to moan out "Ohh, PS3 fanboys are soooooooooo desperate that they don't have any games to play so they want a mediocre shooter!"[/exaggerated voice]

BUT, I wouldn't have done what Indigo did. Though i'd probably start to have to since I am the #2 of the fanboys.

Oh, and we flip the 6 around in 2006

I'm not saying that there are no PS3 games at all, I personally think the PS3 is the best and most powerful console on the market. The fact I don't have one is just a money issue.

LBP, MGS4, Resist2 ect may all be great games (I honestly don't know) but non of them have made the PS3 anymore popular, and a lot of PS3 fanboys (I'm not saying you and indigo are) seem to believe that one game will make 360 and Wii owners fork out some cash for a PS3. I personally don't believe that any one game is worth a console. This just seems to be the next one in a long line to take the mantle of "PS3 savior".

For me, Ratchet and Clank and God of War are the only two games that spark my interest when it comes to exclusives, but niether of them are worth the price tag. Thats just my opinion.

 

[y8c616]

Hell, microsoft fanboys probably reacted the same towards reviewers who gave Halo 3 a less than perfect score. Personally, though neither game warrants a perfect score, I'd favour Killzone 2 for its better graphics and superior multiplayer (60 player death matches (as opposed to halo's meager 16 players)and the inclusion of bots so players have the option to make every game full)

 

[y8c616]

Killzone 2 has a attracted a quite a strange amount of fanboyism for a game that doesn't that different from Halo or CoD or Half Life or any other shooter for that matter.

The problem is that with so few exclusive and low sales PS3 fanboys seem to being pinning all their on this game to make their console popular. After MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet both took a stab and missed at saving the console I can imagine they're getting a little desperate.

The less major game reviewers (aka the ones haven't sold out and aren't scared of fanboys) have all been saying the same thing "It's not bad but it's not great either"

Ok, you personally need to just go the fuck away from this place. I will tolerate discourse well, especially in a subject such as this, and try to engage on an intelligent level to deliver another point of view, but you are simply just being an idiot. Until you know what the hell you are talking about, just go away.

Wow...Ok, cool down a little. I didn't think you where idiot enough to sink to this level. You like the game, thats fine, this is the situation as I see it. I can understand why you'd disagree with me but if do at least try to get your point across. Don't just tell me to fuck off. It's not a great arguement.

Eh, this part;

"The problem is that with so few exclusive and low sales PS3 fanboys seem to being pinning all their on this game to make their console popular. After MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet both took a stab and missed at saving the console I can imagine they're getting a little desperate."

That set him off.

Personally, I completely disagree with you right there, as time and time again people have disproved that statement over and over again.(*coughcoughResistance2Killzone2MGS4LBPUnchartedWarhawkManyPSNtitlesratchet+clanktonameafew[/loud cough]*) And also, personally, I think it was extremely snark of you to moan out "Ohh, PS3 fanboys are soooooooooo desperate that they don't have any games to play so they want a mediocre shooter!"[/exaggerated voice]

BUT, I wouldn't have done what Indigo did. Though i'd probably start to have to since I am the #2 of the fanboys.

Oh, and we flip the 6 around in 2006

I'm not saying that there are no PS3 games at all, I personally think the PS3 is the best and most powerful console on the market. The fact I don't have one is just a money issue.

LBP, MGS4, Resist2 ect may all be great games (I honestly don't know) but non of them have made the PS3 anymore popular, and a lot of PS3 fanboys (I'm not saying you and indigo are) seem to believe that one game will make 360 and Wii owners fork out some cash for a PS3. I personally don't believe that any one game is worth a console. This just seems to be the next one in a long line to take the mantle of "PS3 savior".

For me, Ratchet and Clank and God of War are the only two games that spark my interest when it comes to exclusives, but niether of them are worth the price tag. Thats just my opinion.

There seems to be this misconception that the ps3 is a failure compared to other consoles this gen. The fact is that as of january 09, when it had been out for 2 years, the ps3's sales were more than the 360's at january 08, when it had been out for a year.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

KZ2 was pretty much built for co-op. Perhaps they shouldn't have deducted points considering it was hardware issues that prevented them from including co-op, but either way it was originally meant to include co-op and perhaps the gameplay reflected that.

I heard that the only reason they didn't make a co-op was time, and that it may come out in a patch later on. But that was through word of mouth, though I'd be really interested to read the source you got that from.

Oh but reading is so last generation my friend, we watch. http://screwattack.com/HardNews/011409

;¬)

And Screwattack know precisely jack shit.

They don't have anything because they want to make something unique and engaging, and didn't have the time.

Name one time when ScrewAttack have made up news.

And so far, Matzy has told me his source was from word of mouth, and mine is right here. I don't usually use them for news reports, but I have noticed that much of the news I have seen there I have seen everywhere else.

And my news is direct from Steven ter Heides. He knows more about his own game.

Care to show me a link, or how you came about this information?

By the way it seems the link's source was the director of Guerilla games, why exactly would he lie about something like this?

IGN sponsored pre-release event. Saturday the 21st of February. Seems versus is.

Link? Can't find it for the life of me...

No, me. The person, me. I won a ticket, I went there, I asked him.

Interesting. Not to say that you are one to lie, but I'll stick to my guns on this one as I got some (practically) tangible evidence, so as much as I hate to say it, we will have to agree to disagree. Also it's pretty odd how their stories differed.

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

There seems to be this misconception that the ps3 is a failure compared to other consoles this gen. The fact is that as of january 09, when it had been out for 2 years, the ps3's sales were more than the 360's at january 08, when it had been out for a year.

Proof please.

 

[Jumplion]

I'm not saying that there are no PS3 games at all, I personally think the PS3 is the best and most powerful console on the market. The fact I don't have one is just a money issue.

LBP, MGS4, Resist2 ect may all be great games (I honestly don't know) but non of them have made the PS3 anymore popular, and a lot of PS3 fanboys (I'm not saying you and indigo are) seem to believe that one game will make 360 and Wii owners fork out some cash for a PS3. I personally don't believe that any one game is worth a console. This just seems to be the next one in a long line to take the mantle of "PS3 savior".

For me, Ratchet and Clank and God of War are the only two games that spark my interest when it comes to exclusives, but niether of them are worth the price tag. Thats just my opinion.

Nobody is saying that Killzone 2 is the "saving grace" of the PS3, but they are saying that it will be another great game among the PS3's line up.

And who knows? I'm sure many people were waiting out for Killzone 2 to buy the console. It depends on what the person wants, some people would buy a console for one game ala Halo 3, God of War III, or Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

But I don't see a reason to continue this debate, there isn't much to debate at all really. Agree to disagree?

 

[ssgt splatter]

TO EVERYONE: It doesn't matter if you have a PS3 or a XBOX 360, if the game is fun then it is fun. Just because it's exclusive to the PS3 doesn't mean it's better or worse than a XBOX 360 title or Vise Versa. We are all gamers, and fanboys or not we can all agree on one thing and that is WE ALL LOVE PLAYING VIDEOGAMES!!! Adam Sessler is right go to www.g4tv.com/soapbox and watch the Killzone 2 video. Sorry if it sounds like I'm being a jerk but I agree with Adam, JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME AND HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[y8c616]

There seems to be this misconception that the ps3 is a failure compared to other consoles this gen. The fact is that as of january 09, when it had been out for 2 years, the ps3's sales were more than the 360's at january 08, when it had been out for a year.

Proof please.

well the ps3 wiki page states 21.something million as of dec 31st 2008, and this link http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=8498 shows the 360's march 2008 sales at 17 million

 

[Fightbulb]

TO EVERYONE: It doesn't matter if you have a PS3 or a XBOX 360, if the game is fun then it is fun. Just because it's exclusive to the PS3 doesn't mean it's better or worse than a XBOX 360 title or Vise Versa. We are all gamers, and fanboys or not we can all agree on one thing and that is WE ALL LOVE PLAYING VIDEOGAMES!!! Adam Sessler is right go to www.g4tv.com/soapbox and watch the Killzone 2 video. Sorry if it sounds like I'm being a jerk but I agree with Adam, JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAME AND HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

This.

So, I just read the entire 4th page in disbelief, and I honestly hadn't expected members of this forum to reach these levels of agressive retardedness. Well, I had expected it from Indigo, but the rest of you... man. I mean, some people are actually talking about sales figures. Fucking sales figures, like we're all in the comment section on N4G! I still can't comprehend why anyone would give a flying fuck about how many people bought the same product that they did.

I would love any of you fanboys to explain this to me, because I honestly don't understand why you people are so involved in shit that does not matter. Seriously, tell me. I don't want an explanation from someone who understands this retarded phenomenon, I want an explanation from someone who practices this ridiculous ritual. I want you to type it out, read it back to yourself, and then think about what your life has come to.

...go!