Damn Whale wars....

[Helmholtz Watson]

Now its no secret that I hate the show Whale Wars, it's just a bunch of nit wits doing absolutely nothing while playing sad music over a whale being killed. Im just going to list off some complaints.

Yeah, I'm against whaling because it's unsustainable, but I watched that show for fifteen minutes and all I kept thinking was 'You're forcibly boarding a ship in international waters to interfeer with it's activities? You know, we tend to call that piracy...and look! You're outraged the crew is trying to stop you? Really?'

I applaud the guys because the whales are endangered and are some of the primary predators for plankton and krill.

If we lose the whales, we have overabundance of plankton/krill which can basically kill large portions of our oceans.

So whether it's a waste or not, if it makes it unprofitable for the japanese whalers, who've shown they have basically no interest in conservation or ecological consequences, over profit, good.

Whaling is no more unsustainable than any other form of hunting.
The whale that is mainly hunted, the minke whale, is not endangered.

It doesn't matter whether or not the animal is endangered, the international laws state that people are not to hunt them for things like food, only for scientific research. The Japanese are exploiting the science loophole to cloak their hunting as a form of "scientific research". They are violating international laws and should stop what their doing.

That is just not true at all.

The International Whaling Commission banned commercial whaling, that much is true.
But if you are not a member of IWC, or you protested the ban it does not apply.

So it is still fully legal to hunt whale.

Except the companies are lying about the actions and motivations of their workers, and they are falsify documents to support their claim that the only way for them to do their scientific experiments is by killing the whales.

 

[fenrizz]

Now its no secret that I hate the show Whale Wars, it's just a bunch of nit wits doing absolutely nothing while playing sad music over a whale being killed. Im just going to list off some complaints.

Yeah, I'm against whaling because it's unsustainable, but I watched that show for fifteen minutes and all I kept thinking was 'You're forcibly boarding a ship in international waters to interfeer with it's activities? You know, we tend to call that piracy...and look! You're outraged the crew is trying to stop you? Really?'

I applaud the guys because the whales are endangered and are some of the primary predators for plankton and krill.

If we lose the whales, we have overabundance of plankton/krill which can basically kill large portions of our oceans.

So whether it's a waste or not, if it makes it unprofitable for the japanese whalers, who've shown they have basically no interest in conservation or ecological consequences, over profit, good.

Whaling is no more unsustainable than any other form of hunting.
The whale that is mainly hunted, the minke whale, is not endangered.

It doesn't matter whether or not the animal is endangered, the international laws state that people are not to hunt them for things like food, only for scientific research. The Japanese are exploiting the science loophole to cloak their hunting as a form of "scientific research". They are violating international laws and should stop what their doing.

That is just not true at all.

The International Whaling Commission banned commercial whaling, that much is true.
But if you are not a member of IWC, or you protested the ban it does not apply.

So it is still fully legal to hunt whale.

Except the companies are lying about the actions and motivations of their workers, and they are falsify documents to support their claim that the only way for them to do their scientific experiments is by killing the whales.

Maybe so.
But that does not make it illegal.

And, I can understand why they do it.
You have all sorts of people and nations out there pressuring the Japanese to ban whaling for good, I'd lie to them too to get them off my back.

While whaling should be illegalized as it has no reaso to exist at all. Nobody eats whale nor dolphins. The japanese don't. Whaling should be globally illegal. But those cuntbags are not fighting for a cause they're just whoring to get view ratings and to look cool and get famous by being complete dolts while breaking international law. I want whaling to stop, but that's not the way to go about it. The Cove was a step in the right direction but the people on the Bird of Prey will just make people go against the anti-whaling folks out of annoyance and frustration. They're really just harming their own cause.

The Japanese eat whale.
We Norwegians eat whale, along with the Icelanders and several other nations.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Now its no secret that I hate the show Whale Wars, it's just a bunch of nit wits doing absolutely nothing while playing sad music over a whale being killed. Im just going to list off some complaints.

Yeah, I'm against whaling because it's unsustainable, but I watched that show for fifteen minutes and all I kept thinking was 'You're forcibly boarding a ship in international waters to interfeer with it's activities? You know, we tend to call that piracy...and look! You're outraged the crew is trying to stop you? Really?'

I applaud the guys because the whales are endangered and are some of the primary predators for plankton and krill.

If we lose the whales, we have overabundance of plankton/krill which can basically kill large portions of our oceans.

So whether it's a waste or not, if it makes it unprofitable for the japanese whalers, who've shown they have basically no interest in conservation or ecological consequences, over profit, good.

Whaling is no more unsustainable than any other form of hunting.
The whale that is mainly hunted, the minke whale, is not endangered.

It doesn't matter whether or not the animal is endangered, the international laws state that people are not to hunt them for things like food, only for scientific research. The Japanese are exploiting the science loophole to cloak their hunting as a form of "scientific research". They are violating international laws and should stop what their doing.

That is just not true at all.

The International Whaling Commission banned commercial whaling, that much is true.
But if you are not a member of IWC, or you protested the ban it does not apply.

So it is still fully legal to hunt whale.

Except the companies are lying about the actions and motivations of their workers, and they are falsify documents to support their claim that the only way for them to do their scientific experiments is by killing the whales.

Maybe so.
But that does not make it illegal.

And, I can understand why they do it.
You have all sorts of people and nations out there pressuring the Japanese to ban whaling for good, I'd lie to them too to get them off my back.

While whaling should be illegalized as it has no reaso to exist at all. Nobody eats whale nor dolphins. The japanese don't. Whaling should be globally illegal. But those cuntbags are not fighting for a cause they're just whoring to get view ratings and to look cool and get famous by being complete dolts while breaking international law. I want whaling to stop, but that's not the way to go about it. The Cove was a step in the right direction but the people on the Bird of Prey will just make people go against the anti-whaling folks out of annoyance and frustration. They're really just harming their own cause.

The Japanese eat whale.
We Norwegians eat whale, along with the Icelanders and several other nations.

How exactly is falsifying documents not illegal when your presenting them to international organizations like the International Whaling Commission. Also Japan has to issue permits to its citizens for "scientific research" so I would imagine that the whaling companies would be committing crimes if they were to use those permits for reasons other that in the name of science(now whether Japan would prosecute these people is another story).

 

[major_chaos]

I don't dislike whale wars, I Fucking despise it
I despise the entire psychotic fanatical crew
I despise the idea that there are people who care more about the life of a single animal then the lives and livelihoods of many humans
I despise the fact that terrorists can become heroes in my brain dead country
and so on and so forth

 

[RuralGamer]

I truly despise the Sea Shepperd group!

The Japanese government should build a few MTB (Motor Torpedo Boat) and hunt them down like the terrorists they really are.

That may be a tad harsh, although I am amazed the JMSDF doesn't escort the fleet when it goes to sea, even a token frigate would be nice "Well err, we mistook them for a North Korean spy boat...".

I am also amazed that Sea Shepherd is even allowed to operate after it nearly sparked off a diplomatic crisis when it trolled the Soviet whaling fleet back in the 80s.

A bunch of self-righteous, yet hypocritical jerks; they have no problem with the law when its on their side, but as soon as they get threatened with legal action or arrested for breaking the law its all "Waaa waaa waaa unfair, waaa waaa waaa biased towards whalers"

 

[Dandark]

I hate those guys. They are pretty much just a bunch or pirates/terrorists, im not even sure why they get away with it, is it because they are American? Or have a lot of western support?
It shocks me that they can still operate, I feel sorry for the Japanese whalers who are just doing what they see as a perfectly fine and most importantly legal job, yet are forced to deal with these idiots.

Are they actully American? I assume so but don't know for sue, I don't watch their show and care nothing for their cause now. I used to have some sympathy for them and was even able to see their point of view untill I tried watching that stupid show they have.

 

[OneCatch]

Also they had the nerve to name one of their boats after Steve Irwin but only after he died.

His wife supported it because she said that he would have liked it. He was planning to go on a trip with them when he died. Article [http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/irwin-honoured-by-anti-whalers/story-e6frg12c-1111115037765]


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Stupidity
"herp derp lets drive our little fiberglass bat boat in front of a 100,000 ton ship, that will show them!"

Well, that's what you do if you want to stop a boat. Little did they know the whalers are willing to commit murder. Why don't you get angry about that. Wanting to murder several people just to save a few yen in profits from illegal criminal activities is pretty shocking.

If anything it's more than a little heroic they did that, even if they knew from previous experiences the whalers will injure or try to murder people who get in their way.

Won't make up there damned minds
In said boat crash they requested help from the ship they just drove in front of, the whalers where uneasy about going over (more likely a language problem), they did stop however.

Yeah, according to the whalers. In reality however they aimed watercannons at the survivors in the wreck to try and force them into the freezing sea so they wouldn't survive for certain.

Where on earth do you get your info? www.kantei.go.jp ?

I also love how Blah ignores that the collision with the Ady Gil was entirely Sea Shepherd's fault.

I thought I'd put your response to Blablahb's comment next to it for reference since you didn't quote. In answer:

They were BOTH to blame. It was a big game of chicken and neither of them turned. I'm on the side of Shepherd, you favour the whalers. It doesn't change the fact that neither of them turned to prevent a crash. So don't try and portray the whalers as being angelic, especially when it's been all but proved that on another occasion they purposefully got in the way a Greenpeace ship that was trying to reverse (they aren't as extreme as Sea Shepherd). Here is the video [http://www.icrwhale.org/eng/GPAS2.mpg], and Greenpeace's analysis [http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/oceans/whaling/antarctic-whaling/ramming/], which seems pretty sound. I'd be interested to see if you have any problems with it?

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*Great response snip*

I'm no veggie but I at least like to think I have a little compassion and morality. I am very pleased that battery farms are being outlawed in the UK, and that fox hunting has gone, and as you say, not only is whaling barbaric and endangering species, it's almost completely unnecessary for a first world country and there's little demand for the product. It's completely retarded to exterminate some of the most majestic species on the planet for no other reason that "cos we can".

Now, I can't comment on the methods used or the show, but activists do what they've gotta do. It takes action to stop people doing bad things, and from the posts here at least they're better at it than Green Peace!

How is it endangering species? The Japanese only hunted the Minke whale for centuries. They are not endangered and are ranked the same as pigs, chickens, and cows. It wasn't until they had to "research" whales did they go after the rare whales. However, the majority is still Minke.

Yes, but they still go after endangered species too, and they always have done as well [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_whaling#Organized_whaling]. Don't have a go at Heimir for not doing research when you haven't even checked yours in the same post!
Anyway, even if you were right, your argument is like saying: "It's fine, they hunt antelope 95% of the time [small]and then kill an elephant[/small] but MOST of it is antelope so it's fine!" Which is a bit silly.

While whaling should be illegalized as it has no reaso to exist at all. Nobody eats whale nor dolphins. The japanese don't. Whaling should be globally illegal. But those cuntbags are not fighting for a cause they're just whoring to get view ratings and to look cool and get famous by being complete dolts while breaking international law. I want whaling to stop, but that's not the way to go about it. The Cove was a step in the right direction but the people on the Bird of Prey will just make people go against the anti-whaling folks out of annoyance and frustration. They're really just harming their own cause.

Look up. Also the Japanese do eat whales and dolphins.

Yes they do. Dolphins aren't endangered, which means it is slightly less objectionable (though I still hate it).
But whale meat is not that popular in Japan, certainly not popular enough to warrant the size of the hunt operation. That's why the Japanese government has had to subsidise it to the tune of $12 million just to break even in 2008-2009 (and $150 million since 1988).
Because no one really likes whale meat, the Japanese government have started feeding it to schoolkids and dogs [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/whale-meat-used-for-dog-food/story-e6frg6t6-1111115171833] as an attempt to make it more popular, in spite of it containing too much mercury (and other fun chemicals [http://www.hsi.org/issues/whaling/facts/human_health_concerns_of_whale_meat.html]) to be safe for children to eat. The argument that it's a popular national dish is just crap.
Like I said before, it's just the Japanese government being bloody minded, and then trying to justify their position by trying to hide the veritable mountain of whale meat that no-one fucking wants.

 

[oktalist]

Wasting
Ok so the whale is dead and they are hauling it on bored to harvest the meat and oil, but here comes the sea shepherd! What do they do? Cut the line so the dead whale goes back into the ocean and gets used for nothing, Making the entire death a wast!

Not true, the whale carcass will be eaten by other creatures and microbes and contribute back to the ecosystem and help to increase fish stocks.

giving your food equal rights is just plane silly.

By that argument, cannibalism is OK too.

If it comes down to us or the whales...goodbye whales

When has it ever come down to us or the whales? Like people are going to die if whaling isn't allowed to continue?

Discussion value: What do you think of the show whale wars and there antics?

I don't know, I haven't watched it. It sounds stupid.

 

[oktalist]

I hate those guys. They are pretty much just a bunch or pirates/terrorists, im not even sure why they get away with it, is it because they are American? Or have a lot of western support?

Maybe because it's a "reality" TV show and most of it is probably staged.

I used to have some sympathy for them and was even able to see their point of view untill I tried watching that stupid show they have.

Maybe the show is actually funded by the whaling industry to make environmentalists look stupid.

Oktalist is modelling this stylish trilby hat in tasteful aluminium foil...

 

[GrandmaFunk]

The Australian and New Zealand Government agrees as well. They never prosecute the activists, as the Japanese government is always asking them to.

While they haven't prosecuted them, Australia has refused to issue visas for several of them.

And other countries are not so reserved about taking these idiots to task for their crimes: Canada, Norway, Costa Rica, the Netherlands and Iceland have all charged Watson with crimes related to his "activism" at one point or another.

 

[OneCatch]

The Australian and New Zealand Government agrees as well. They never prosecute the activists, as the Japanese government is always asking them to.

While they haven't prosecuted them, Australia has refused to issue visas for several of them.

And other countries are not so reserved about taking these idiots to task for their crimes: Canada, Norway, Costa Rica, the Netherlands and Iceland have all charged Watson with crimes related to his "activism" at one point or another.

Ok, conceded for the most part.
But they still haven't prosecuted them to the full extent of the law - they could have taken the whole organization to pieces years ago if they'd really wanted to.

And the Canadian Government hate Sea Shepherd only slightly less than the Japanese (on account of the whole seal hunting thing) Iceland and Norway also practice whaling, so I imagine (no proof) that they aren't too fond of Sea Shepherd either!

 

[GrandmaFunk]

And the Canadian Government hate Sea Shepherd only slightly less than the Japanese (on account of the whole seal hunting thing) Iceland and Norway also practice whaling, so I imagine (no proof) that they aren't too fond of Sea Shepherd either!

Well, ya. Most countries "hate" foreign nationals entering their countries specifically to commit crimes.

 

[evilneko]

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Well, for one, appparently what you posted refers to an entirely different incident than the one being discussed.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

I think if your ship is being attacked by another, those guys are pirates. And as for international law, you are legally obliged to defend your ship.

Who thinks the Japanese needs to get out some rifles and shotguns and open fire? Cause if I was on a japanese ship. I would.. I totally would..

 

[Samechiel]

I think if your ship is being attacked by another, those guys are pirates. And as for international law, you are legally obliged to defend your ship.

Who thinks the Japanese needs to get out some rifles and shotguns and open fire? Cause if I was on a japanese ship. I would.. I totally would..

I want to win the lottery, buy a boat or two and hire a crew, and then go out to sea every year during whaling season and throw things at the Sea Shepherd boats. Just... completely devote every waking moment to harrying and harassing them every bit as much as they harass the Japanese whaling fleet.

How would they react to that, do you think? It would blow their freaking minds, man. They wouldn't know what to do.

 

[SilentCom]

I was going to post something from the "Whale Whores" episode of South Park but apparently I'm too late.

I don't like the Sea Shepherd and their crew either. Even if what the Japanese whalers are doing is wrong, being a pirate and attacking/ sabotaging them isn't the right way of stopping them. It would be better if they brought up internatinal law or something to pressure the whalers to stop.

 

[Don Savik]

Would it be legal if we started our own show called "The War on Whale Wars"? We could set up our own little boat crew and go out and plan to attack the Whale Wars idiots, but always screw up the plan because someone forgot to bring sandwiches.

Why isn't there a show called "Crab Wars" where people attack The Deadliest Catch boats? CRABS R AMINALS TOOOOOO!!!!!!! Q_Q all them poor crabs, getting harassed by idiot HUMANS and their HUMAN WAYS.

If I ever saw one of these whale activists I would punch them in the face. I would abolish my chivalric code of knightly justice that I stand by and punch a girl in the face. That is how much respect I have for these people.

 

[The .50 Caliber Cow]

Someone needs to sink that ship.

[sub][sub]Moo? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dys8KUnwGGg&feature=player_embedded#!][/sub][/sub]

 

[TBman]

If whales were smart enough to defend themselves then they would... As they are not they they deserve to die for resources... Natural selection...!

What do you expect them to do? They don't have hands so they can't make weapons, even if they did there isn't alot of resources around for them to use. They live in the water all their lives so they couldn't make fire even if they knew how. About the only thing they can do is flee, and that doesn't always work as you can see.