Damn Whale wars....

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Luftwaffles

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Blablahb said:
Luftwaffles said:
There are plenty more marinelife to be concerned about too. Bluefin tuna, orange roughy and atlantic cod to name a few.
Ironically, Japan is in each of those cases the reason those fish will go extinct. Over 80% of all bluefin tuna caught in all the EU is exported to Japan.
Thats what i meant by misguided. We cant just blame one country (seashepard in particular loves to do this), the US still imports orange roughy even though its unsustainable and endangered. Global fishstocks are crashing, species that were considered inferior are being marketed and sold as what "top quality" fish were priced decades ago.

We cannot deny the problems that we are experiencing now, be it whaling or any other type of marine harvest. Well...theres always fish farms, at least..
 

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lacktheknack said:
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Redlin5 said:
I don't think these guys would like Neonbob.
Which is fine, cuz I don't like them either!
Blasted hippies. Ruinin my Sunday outings!
I'm not a fan of that group at all.
Please make a reality show in which you "accidentally" get trapped on a ship with them.

PLEASE.

I WOULD WATCH IT EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
You know it would only have one episode, right? I'd give it less than ten hours before I snapped and started murdering the crew of that ship in various ways XD
 

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Sea shepards are maniacs. They put people's lives in danger with their rammings. It's not the fisherman who just want to pay their bills who are the enemy.
 

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OneCatch said:
Pff you are so misinformed. We all know that the reason the Japanese hunt whales is because they were responsible for the atomic weapon attacks. Sooner or later, we could be next. I praise Japan for keeping the world safe from the nuclear threat these creatures pose.
 

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Honestly we don't need to save the whales, well we do but what is more important right now is saving the sharks. Do you have any idea how dangerous and ecologically disastrous removing an apex predator is?
 

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these are just kids with too much time on their hands. im surprised that pirates can attack other ships with no repercussions whatsoever. if they were to met a fully armed warship, designed to DESTROY THE PIRATEZ! i would watch that. many times.

but ive noticed, at least in my country, that organisations of that type are in decline. there was a massive drop in popularity for greenpeace, when they tried to derail a train containing radioactive waste. some people were kinda angry, because lets be honest, there could have been some nasty, nasty side effects to their games.

so its like with old people - just wait till they die out.
 

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henritje said:
I think they are self-righteous
yeah whaling is illegal/bad but that doesn't mean you should take matters in your own hands.
talk to the Japanese government or something.

It's not illegal at all.
The International Whaling Commission banned whaling yes, but if you're not a member or you protested it does not apply.

Secondly. It's not bad, unless you're a person that believe all animals are sacred or something.
The commercially hunted whales are not endangered either.

Personally I love whale meat.
It's not something I enjoy every week, but once in a while I make delicious whale stew.
You should try it sometime:)
 

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OP:
1. your awesome for seeing this shit how it is.
2. dont worry about offending people, if they dont like it they can get bent.
3. Fuck whale wars, i want whales with machine guns a torpedoes damn it! And fuck whales for that matter, yes its important we save whale for conservation reasons, but if i have a harpoon, a small boat, and cant get further than 5 miles from a desert island, fuck them, im haveing whale meat. And if the whale wars bastard try and stop me, then they'll get harpooned too.


Also, animal rights is a joke, they have a right to live and avoid being dinner if they can. Now im not saying we should torture or wipe out entire species, god forbid, but no animal is worth more than a humans life....except penguins, you touch them and ill kick your ass (if the penguins dont get you first, cause everyone knows they are born with fully loaded m14s on their back.)
 

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I like how alot of people on this thread say that whaling is illegal when its fully practiced both here, in Japan, and all over the world daily.

The Sea Shepards (or the SS as I like to call them) are nothing but terrorists and pirates harming hard working people who are just trying to make a living.
I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for the Japanese government to send armed coast guard escorts along with the fishing fleet.
The only reason that the SS has operated for so long is that the upholding international law in international waters is next to impossible.

Honestly, there's better ways to voice your beliefs then fucking with a poor fishing boat that more often then not the ones that will save YOUR stupid ass after you've rammed them with your own tiny terrorist boat.
 

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Blablahb said:
Stuff like this? Meaning, actually doing something when people engage in illegal activities. You'd also put up this rant when a member of the public takes down a bank robber so he can be arrested? Be angry when someone reports a child abuser because now the poor rapist can't screw his daughter anymore?

Really, I don't get your reasoning.
Ah Blah, your cognitive dissonance never ceases to amaze me. The beautiful tapestry of warped and hypocritical values and justifications.. oh, it's so brilliant. Comparing criminal acts or the stopping of criminal acts to an practice, while some people find objectionable, is legal and people who are attacking their business? What do you do for a living again? Oh right, kickboxing security guard who dislikes violence and opposes any measure of self defense against criminals.

Well, madame, I find what you do for a living, while legal, to be morally reprehensible, so I am going to protest it. I am going to go to your place of business, throw stuff at you, crash my car into your building, and destroy any products of your days of hard work. You, ma'am, are going to take that protest. You will not defend yourself, your business, or your product. You will not attack me regardless of what I do because I am protesting and you are a non-violent krav maga trained security officer.

I'm glad to see you support vigilantism though. Because that's what this is. They are attacking the whalers. They're really stupid about it, but that's what they're doing. What sets these people above other animals rights terrorists who bomb kennels and animal testing plants? Nothing. The difference between that person who stops that bank robber or reports that pedophile is those are actual crimes which the individual can be arrested and charged for. Whaling, while disliked, is not illegal where they do it.

Oh, and I know you're hyperbolic retort will be "Well what happens if the pedophiles start taking their victims out into international waters where it isn't a crime?" and I've really got nothing to say to that except bravo to them for putting that much planning and money into it, but then you're allowed to get into your Krav Maga Securityman-boat, with the Batman theme playing of course, and go out their and kick their asses, since that to is not a crime in international waters. Refuse to fight SecurityMan, for everlasting peace!
 

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OneCatch said:
*Great response snip*
I'm no veggie but I at least like to think I have a little compassion and morality. I am very pleased that battery farms are being outlawed in the UK, and that fox hunting has gone, and as you say, not only is whaling barbaric and endangering species, it's almost completely unnecessary for a first world country and there's little demand for the product. It's completely retarded to exterminate some of the most majestic species on the planet for no other reason that "cos we can".

Now, I can't comment on the methods used or the show, but activists do what they've gotta do. It takes action to stop people doing bad things, and from the posts here at least they're better at it than Green Peace!
 

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Sylveria said:
*quote snip*

I'm glad to see you support vigilantism though. Because that's what this is. They are attacking the whalers. They're really stupid about it, but that's what they're doing. What sets these people above other animals rights terrorists who bomb kennels and animal testing plants? Nothing. The difference between that person who stops that bank robber or reports that pedophile is those are actual crimes which the individual can be arrested and charged for. Whaling, while disliked, is not illegal where they do it.
Comparing people in a boat being obstructive to terrorist-activists blowing shit up is inaccurate - it would be like comparing the Lybia crackdowns to the US's response to the recent protests.

Fox hunting in the UK wasn't always a crime. Activists opposed it, raised awareness of just how cruel and out of place in a modern civilised society, and now it is outlawed. Slavery wasn't always a crime, but individuals protested, raised awareness and changed the lives of millions.

Laws are written by men, with material concerns, industrial lobbying and sometimes limited scope and knowledge. Men are fallible - that is why laws have amendments, revisions, why lawers can argue about interpretations, why innocent can be condemned and the guilty can walk free.

Sometimes things are wrong without the law telling us that they are. Sometimes legal things are amoral. Sometimes the good have to act to show what is wrong.
 

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direkiller said:
OneCatch said:
ninonybox360 said:
not quite sure if this is what you meant; but how do you know that some bloke in Sea Shepherd has never been shot? He could have been in the army or something!
because they showed it on the TV show. He just flat out lied for that part.(if you gonna comment on something at-least do a bit of research)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b322f6ZQfkY
he went to the news and when the show aired it you can see how bad he lied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gb7fHR0X7Q (hint:bullets hitting vest don't work that way)
Thanks for posting the videos to enlighten me. I did say that I didn't really know what ninonybox360 was referring to, but thanks for clearing it up.
And OK, the guy is a dick. But that doesn't make the entire cause worthless. After all, there are plenty of arseholes that in spite of their arseholery still believe in democracy.

And lets not forget that the Japanese whaling crews have also exaggerated the danger that Sea Shepherd activists have posed. From what I remember, they claimed that stinkbombs thrown by the activists were poison gas. That doesn't excuse the "I was shot" guy, but it does show that neither side are all that reliable as witnesses.
So I guess you have to look at the actual results and aims of their work to make a judgement, which I did my best to in the rest of my previous post.
 

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Sylveria said:
Ah Blah, your cognitive dissonance never ceases to amaze me. The beautiful tapestry of warped and hypocritical values and justifications.. oh, it's so brilliant. Comparing criminal acts or the stopping of criminal acts to an practice, while some people find objectionable, is legal and people who are attacking their business? What do you do for a living again? Oh right, kickboxing security guard who dislikes violence and opposes any measure of self defense against criminals.

Well, madame, I find what you do for a living, while legal, to be morally reprehensible, so I am going to protest it. I am going to go to your place of business, throw stuff at you, crash my car into your building, and destroy any products of your days of hard work. You, ma'am, are going to take that protest. You will not defend yourself, your business, or your product. You will not attack me regardless of what I do because I am protesting and you are a non-violent krav maga trained security officer.

I'm glad to see you support vigilantism though. Because that's what this is. They are attacking the whalers. They're really stupid about it, but that's what they're doing. What sets these people above other animals rights terrorists who bomb kennels and animal testing plants? Nothing. The difference between that person who stops that bank robber or reports that pedophile is those are actual crimes which the individual can be arrested and charged for. Whaling, while disliked, is not illegal where they do it.

Oh, and I know you're hyperbolic retort will be "Well what happens if the pedophiles start taking their victims out into international waters where it isn't a crime?" and I've really got nothing to say to that except bravo to them for putting that much planning and money into it, but then you're allowed to get into your Krav Maga Securityman-boat, with the Batman theme playing of course, and go out their and kick their asses, since that to is not a crime in international waters. Refuse to fight SecurityMan, for everlasting peace!
We should make science babies, you and I.