Damn Whale wars....
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Japan is a member of IWC (International Whaling Commission).Argonaut said:
As a member they officially objected to the proposed ban on whaling, and thus were not bound byt it.
However, the US pressured Japan to retract their objection.
As it is, whaling is not technically illegal, but in violation with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.
Japan plans to resume official commercial whaling though.
These assholes should realise that there are worse threats in the ocean that they should be worried about. Ain't that right Cthulhu?
Please make a reality show in which you "accidentally" get trapped on a ship with them.Neonbob said:
PLEASE.
I WOULD WATCH IT EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
How is that even possible? And lots of people complain about animals being eaten. You're saying you've never heard of PETA?erttheking said:
Whales get more attention than pigs because they're endangered, and (I'm under the impression that) the legality of it is rather divisive across the planet.
well i do agree with you on the idea that the show is horrible. however i do not agree with the ethical anti vegan and vegatarian part.
to put first the waisting part, yes it is partly true, the animal is not eaten by humans however it is eaten by other sea-animals creating food for them. and in economical terms it is not a full waste. due to the loss of the whale the creature is lost to the sea however the time and effort into catching it is the same which is ofcourse part of the cost of the meat. however due to lower cathrades the price will rise and keeping in mind the balance between price and consumpsion the price will rise and therefore the consumption becomes to expensive and consumption decreases.
they are smart,(debatable), and people do complain about the misfortune of other smart animals, like pigs.
yes we are omnivors but we can be substained by a lifestyle without or with minimal animal consumption. this is practical for humans because plants are more effeciente in production. they cost less to make and by lowering the farm lifestock we can feed more people on the earth.
equal rights is a moral dessicion but when do so keep in mind that animals are counticious and have emotions, some more and some less than humans.
srry for my spelling but english is not my native language
to put first the waisting part, yes it is partly true, the animal is not eaten by humans however it is eaten by other sea-animals creating food for them. and in economical terms it is not a full waste. due to the loss of the whale the creature is lost to the sea however the time and effort into catching it is the same which is ofcourse part of the cost of the meat. however due to lower cathrades the price will rise and keeping in mind the balance between price and consumpsion the price will rise and therefore the consumption becomes to expensive and consumption decreases.
they are smart,(debatable), and people do complain about the misfortune of other smart animals, like pigs.
yes we are omnivors but we can be substained by a lifestyle without or with minimal animal consumption. this is practical for humans because plants are more effeciente in production. they cost less to make and by lowering the farm lifestock we can feed more people on the earth.
equal rights is a moral dessicion but when do so keep in mind that animals are counticious and have emotions, some more and some less than humans.
srry for my spelling but english is not my native language
The show claims that the whalers are actually breaking the law because the law states you're only allowed to whale for scientific sampling when clearly these guys are whaling for food. The fact that the show resorts to non-violent underhanded and stupid tactics makes all their efforts pointless. There would have to be some real combat for there to be any real value in this show. Whalers would think twice if they had to deal with torpedo shots and machine gun fire, but sadly that is kinda illegal, so we're left with misguided and stupid tactics dumber than the Occupy Wall Street movement.
That seems to be a roundabout way of saying, "yes, they do hunt endangered ones (just not exclusively)". I thought there was also debate around how sustainable the practice is, regardless of whether or not they're endangered right this minute.fenrizz said:
My apologizes, for some reason I was thinking about people onWoodsey said:
the same brainwave as us, forgot about them.
Watched a documentary over the captain of the Shepard, from what I gathered he's really more against the cruel treatment than he is the fact they are illegally hunting whales. For a long time he was all over seal hunters trying to disrupt them in all. The one image that I'm reminded of some lil seal cub that had been skinned and the rest just left there.
Of course, I'm an apathetic bastard, so it doesn't really bother me too much, but I can see why some people would get angry over it.
Of course, I'm an apathetic bastard, so it doesn't really bother me too much, but I can see why some people would get angry over it.
My argument is this (if it makes sense): If we suddenly found highly-sentient micro organisms in water, would people be up in arms and tell us to stop drinking water? ...Most likely yes, they would be. And they would come up with some fucked up plan to spend billions of pounds/dollars/yen/mud bricks on filtering water and making gigantic asylums for said micro organisms.
The suffering of any animal is utterly insignificant compared to the suffering of humans. The Sea Shepard society, groups like it, and their supporters are completely misguided in their efforts as there are humans who could use their good will much more than a whale.
It's genuinely irritating when folks take the stance that their view/special interest makes them a person of stronger moral character. Just because you care about something that isn't important does not a Mother Teresa amoungst savages make. That applies to the uppity vegans/vegetarians, animal rights activists, etc.
I admit that most of these type of people aren't 'in-your-face' with their beliefs, and I'm cool with that. I'm cool with anyone as long as their willing to leave other people alone.
I just shake my head when these 'pirates' drone on about the preservation of life, yet put human life at risk with their antics. I would personally kill a thousand whales if it would save one human life.
Also, as a person who has studied international maritime law, they offend me with their complete disregard for the international collision regulations. If they keep this up, and get a human killed, it will justify the complete eradication of their organization.
It's genuinely irritating when folks take the stance that their view/special interest makes them a person of stronger moral character. Just because you care about something that isn't important does not a Mother Teresa amoungst savages make. That applies to the uppity vegans/vegetarians, animal rights activists, etc.
I admit that most of these type of people aren't 'in-your-face' with their beliefs, and I'm cool with that. I'm cool with anyone as long as their willing to leave other people alone.
I just shake my head when these 'pirates' drone on about the preservation of life, yet put human life at risk with their antics. I would personally kill a thousand whales if it would save one human life.
Also, as a person who has studied international maritime law, they offend me with their complete disregard for the international collision regulations. If they keep this up, and get a human killed, it will justify the complete eradication of their organization.
Very misguided. There are many other countries that hunt whales legally. Already been said that minke whales are not endangered. Not that sure about bycatch, illegal fishing in international waters and false quota numbers though.
There are plenty more marinelife to be concerned about too. Bluefin tuna, orange roughy and atlantic cod to name a few.
There are plenty more marinelife to be concerned about too. Bluefin tuna, orange roughy and atlantic cod to name a few.
You are mistaken. Quite mistaken, in fact. Whales are not sapient beings and they certainly aren't as intelligent as humans.JCBFGD said:
But it *isn't* illegal. Under IWC law, it is perfectly legal to harvest a select number of whales for research. It is also perfectly legal under IWC law to market the remains of said whales to ensure nothing goes to waste. Is it a magnificent loophole? You're damn right it is. Just like how the Sea Sheperd gets away with their blatant acts of piracy and terrorism because "lol international waters."
I feel bad for the Japanese whaling fleet for having to put up with this crap on a yearly basis.
I think they are self-righteous
yeah whaling is illegal/bad but that doesn't mean you should take matters in your own hands.
talk to the Japanese government or something.
yeah whaling is illegal/bad but that doesn't mean you should take matters in your own hands.
talk to the Japanese government or something.