Dark Knight won't be able to top Avengers

[sethisjimmy]

Are you kidding me? 3D is gimmicky garbage that adds absolutely nothing to the film, and in some cases takes away from it because you have a headache or it just plain looks bad.

 

[Sexy Devil]

Just a suggestion for all those going to see it: don't get a soda. If you leave for a couple of minutes to take a piss then you will quite frankly miss an astounding amount of stuff. It is so damn hard to hold it for 2hrs and 45mins. I just held it but the dam was about to burst around the time it was ending.

Aside from that really loved the movie, easily my favourite of the trilogy. The ending was quite the emotional roller coaster, really didn't think Nolan had it in him to do something cathartic.

 

[CODE-D]

Just read this interesting article on yahoo.

Essentially Dark Knight won't be able to top Avengers because Nolan hates the 3D format. Since 3D tickets are more expensive, DKR will be hard pressed to try and top the ticket sales with a strictly cheaper price. It'll be harder still because the Avengers "saturday morning cartoon" style endeared it to younger audiences, with the action and dialogue being good enough to entertain the older audiences. Meanwhile, Dark Knight's darker tone and de-emphasis on the fighting make it less fun for the younger kids.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me how much less money Dark Knight makes. I like what Nolan is doing to eliminate some of the staler tropes of the comic movie genre. I'm not saying Avengers isn't a good movie, I just respect the people who do something different more, and I share Nolan's hatred of the 3d format.

And its one hero vs several.

 

[flarty]

if box office numbers are anything to go by, then why are shawshank redemptions absurdly poor?

also I really don't get where all the praise for avengers is coming from. It had several characters from other marvel properties and everyone shits and acts like its amazing. It was fun and a good laugh, but by no means does it deserve the kind of praise its been receiving. The story is as simplistic as could be, the writing is cheesy as hell. In all reality it isn't as accomplished as people believe it too be. It doesn't flesh out a world of its own like watchmen does, or deliver intense performances that ledger did in TDK, and I defiantly preferred the stylised violence of 300 over the campy kids fun of the avengers.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

That's basically the only reason I was planning on watching DKR, not because it might once again be one of the greatest superhero movies ever (Dark Knight completely destroys Avengers and is only rivaled by V for Vendetta in my opinion). Canceling my tickets now, damn it.

Have fun watching your possibly excellent movie that isn't going to top avenger sales, LOL.

You were going to go to the film to see the sales of it? You don't make a lot of sense.

OT: I don't care at all whether the Dark Knight rises can beat avengers. It's still going to be the event of the summer.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

Essentially Dark Knight won't be able to top Avengers because Nolan hates the 3D format.

Points for him, then.

 

[cerebus23]

to be fair i think any lack of money for firefly and serenity was made up by dvd/blu ray sales after the fact. not 100% sure but i seem to recall having read that both very well in sales after they hit stores.

more people hyped to see TDKR, the last nolan batman film hype, the last bale batman (oh well we all hated his batman voice) some hype there for people that actually like him. and well at lest by the one guy above that seem to hint that he has seen it and it was incredible, word of mouth gets around like that and TDKR could push 1.8 million or so in BO sales i will go out on limb now and say.

 

[SpaceBat]

You were going to go to the film to see the sales of it? You don't make a lot of sense.

I know that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, but I refuse to believe that you didn't pick up on that.

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Pretty much the perfect reply.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Huh. That's interesting. Not sure I care who makes the most money though.

I think the film are good, but they never really felt like batman films to me. More a guy in a batman suit, using the comic identity to strengthen his position.

 

[flarty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1PMVvfjDM

just lolz

 

[A Satanic Panda]

Not sure that's an apt comparison. By the same token, Ice Age 4 should do better than the latest batman by virtue of being a fourth installment. Well, maybe that's a poor comparison. Better example; another Land Before Time movie should do much, much better than Ice Age 4 due to beign an x-billionth installment.

13 movies, a TV series, and 3 decades to gather a fan base. If they made another animated film with a theatrical release, of course it would sell well. Hell, I'd probably go see it.

 

[AgentCooper]

Seriously, are people's memories that short?

The Dark Knight grossed over a billion at the box office when it came out.

This is not some story of the underdog going up against the unstoppable might of the Avengers. The Dark Knight already broke box office records when it came out. There's no reason Rises couldn't do the same. The hype for this film has, quite frankly, been unlike anything else in recent times. The Dark Knight was released on the strength of a well received film in Batman Begins. Rises is being released on the strength of arguably the most criticaly acclaimed superhero film in history with The Dark Knight.

People said exactly the same when Iron Man came out. "Oh, Marvel have released a film that's full of fun and comic-book goodness. This is the superhero film of the year. There's no way TDK will be able to top it." Then TDK actually came out, and blew everyone away. By the end of the summer, nobody would shut up about it, and Iron Man had already been forgotten in the collective conscious.

Did Avengers gross a lot? Yes it did. Did it gross a huge amount more than the last Batman film? No it didn't. The Dark Knight grossed $1 billion. The Avengers grossed $1.4 billion. There's no reason, with the current levels of unbelievable hype and the great reviews the film has already been getting, that TDKR couldn't top that figure. It may not, of course, but there's no reason to stop it from doing so. Sequels to spectacularly successful films nearly always open spectacularly themselves. If they're good, they continue that success. It's the reason Modern Warfare 2 trumped Modern Warfare, and why Black Ops trumped MW2.

And at the end of the day, who fucking cares? If it's going to be a great film, then it will be a great film regardless of how well it does at the box office. Blade Runner tanked at the box office. Doesn't stop it being one of the greatest sci-fi films ever.

This happens when any Marvel or DC movie is released close together. I remember the popular trolling method and how some people believed that Avengers was going to flop John Carter style.

I'm not surprised how people are now making out The Dark Knight Rises as some indie movie underdog here. The movie is going to sell gangbusters and do just fine.

 

[irishda]

I just respect the people who do something different more

I'm not sure I agree with this part of OP. I think a multi-movie project, that's tonally faithful to the comics keeping bright costumes and over the top concepts is just as innovate and refreshing as another grim serious Batman movie. But don't get me wrong, I love both.

Well there's the contradiction:

tonally faithful to the comics keeping bright costumes/over the top concepts is just as innovative

It's not really new to stay faithful to a comic book style, but the problem is there's a lot of camp and absurdity in comics that may seem cool on page but doesn't translate well into live action. For instance, Hawkeye was already kind of a useless character (not interested in debating this, because I know a ton of people are gonna rise up to defend him based on previous threads) in comparison to the other heroes. Now add the strange costume he had and it really just makes him seem like a crazy person Nick Fury lets wander around. Or inconsistencies in powers and strengths, like Hulk flooring a giant robot dragon 3 blocks long, but just knocking Thor and Loki about without outright killing them.

Over the top concepts like that are fun, especially for kids, but there's a fine line between the fun and just ridiculous, and I'm glad Nolan's Batman has mostly stayed away from it.

 

[zumbledum]

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and lets be honest, TDK was as big as it was CAUSE od heath's death, not the actual movie or his performance.
the fact he died afterwards and people clomped onto that.

i dont think thats fair , i had no idea who he was or that he was dead when i got around to watching it and i thought it was the joker show.

it was really nice and to my mind the first time ever done right to see a villain portrayed that way. Lets be honest morgan is phoning it in, 2 face is bending the rules and the guy playing batman is at best average. so really theres just Alfred left to carry the movie and its just not going to happen is it.
Rises is going to struggle to be as good as begins with whats left imo and thats an average film at best.

 

[DaWaffledude]

You know Avengers pretty much crushed all box office records, right? Look, Dark Knight Rises will probably be a pretty good movie, but comparing any movie to the Avengers is like comparing any MMO to WoW. You can do it, and the comparisons will make sense, and you might even decide WoW is the inferior game... But it doesn't mean it'll suddenly top the MMO on the scene.

I probably lost my train of thought there, and went in to MMO ranting mode, but it's 23:15 and I'm tired, so please don't get annoyed at me.

 

[McMarbles]

Why are you comparing box office performances? Does it have something to do with quality or something? Or are you one of the shareholders?

Because the films that do well in the box office are the ones that set the trends for future films to follow.

So we can look forward to more crossovers that is a product of four different film series? Doesn't seem likely to me

More like less pretentious grimdark, more fun. Superhero ovies don't have to try to be Citizen Kane. Because we already HAVE Citizen Kane.

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