Dark Souls for PC: Petition

[omicron1]

I see it's time to post my thread-killing "Why anti-PC arguments fail" list:

Quite frankly, the myth of the expensive, difficult-to-assemble PC is getting really old really fast. So I will dispel it once and for all:

You can buy a perfectly good, current gaming PC for just $600. Less if you own components (say, a box, a power supply, a hard drive, a CD drive) already. The core of a gaming PC - CPU, motherboard, RAM, graphics card - can easily be had for $400, if that.

You can build a PC. Yes, you. Unless you don't know how to google, or read the step-by-step pictorial instructions included in almost every part, in which case what are you doing here? There are plenty of perfectly good guides to walk you through the two hours or so it'll take. "I don't know how!" is no longer an acceptable excuse!

You can install games with minimal hassle! The last time I had a game not run out of the box was about a year ago, and that was Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. You don't need hard-to-find drivers (most games will install what you need at the time you run them, especially with Steam), you don't need to make sure your PC is set up properly (again, everything's done for you nowadays). It's just plug-and-play 99% of the time.

You can upgrade your PC and keep current for $100 a year. New graphics generations come out, yes - but they are generally not necessary. Plus, if you go for midrange options, you'll snag a card fast enough to power at least two years' worth of top-tier games. My $170 card from June can handle literally everything out there at top specs, top resolution, etc. - and by the time June's rolled around twice more, I'll still be able to play games on medium-high settings.

Therefore, a PC over 5 years will cost you ~$1100. Your Xbox will cost you $600 for base hardware and Gold membership alone, plus a $10-$30 surcharge (depending on whether you use Steam, mostly) for each game you buy. Buy one new game a month? You're paying $100 MORE than your PC brethren. Two games? $700 more.

At the very least, the two ways to play are cost-comparable. So let's have an end to the "PC gaming is expensive and hard!" nonsense, OK?



More seriously, it's time to put an end to the console exclusives. PC exclusives at least have porting issues going for them - I guarantee you CD Projekt Red are working very hard to figure out what to cut from The Witcher 2 to get it to compile on 360. Console exclusives exist only because of publishers' distorted views of the PC market. Steam ALONE makes up a market comparable in size to any console - it's time publishers and developers realized this.

 

[Mr Somewhere]

I'll certainly sign this. I'd be more than willing to buy the game again... I love it very much. The potential for modding should be more than enough incentive. That being said I can't believe this thread has been turned into yet another hate thread, great work guys.

 

[theultimateend]

After watching that video, I really hope Namco never releases the game on PC.

umm why the fuck not is it because you think pc gamers do not deserve it?

Personal preference. Some people like and hate things differently than you.

As for me I'd buy it if it ended up on PC, not willing to walk upstairs to get my ass handed to me on a console. (I save consoles for friendly game time)

You can build a PC. Yes, you. Unless you don't know how to google, or read the step-by-step pictorial instructions included in almost every part, in which case what are you doing here? There are plenty of perfectly good guides to walk you through the two hours or so it'll take. "I don't know how!" is no longer an acceptable excuse!

I'm not a genius or anything (getting that out of the way) but I built my first and second PC's with nothing more than the instructions that came with them.

Most of that was just the USB and pin connections. The actual cards, ram, etc, are all color coded.

No need for google, PC building is less difficult than Lego building (far less parts and simpler instructions).

My first one is still running 5 years later without errors and my new one appears to be doing great . It's a fun experience.

 

[ohnoitsabear]

You can upgrade your PC and keep current for $100 a year. New graphics generations come out, yes - but they are generally not necessary. Plus, if you go for midrange options, you'll snag a card fast enough to power at least two years' worth of top-tier games. My $170 card from June can handle literally everything out there at top specs, top resolution, etc. - and by the time June's rolled around twice more, I'll still be able to play games on medium-high settings.

Actually, if you're willing to spend a little more when you first build your computer (probably less than $100), you probably won't need to upgrade for at least two years, probably closer to four if you're willing to play at less than maximum settings.

 

[omicron1]

You can upgrade your PC and keep current for $100 a year. New graphics generations come out, yes - but they are generally not necessary. Plus, if you go for midrange options, you'll snag a card fast enough to power at least two years' worth of top-tier games. My $170 card from June can handle literally everything out there at top specs, top resolution, etc. - and by the time June's rolled around twice more, I'll still be able to play games on medium-high settings.

Actually, if you're willing to spend a little more when you first build your computer (probably less than $100), you probably won't need to upgrade for at least two years, probably closer to four if you're willing to play at less than maximum settings.

That's pretty much just what I said.

 

[Hal10k]

Most people own a television for some reason besides gaming, so purchasing one might not be necessary. Purchasing a HDTV certainly isn't necessary if you genuinely don't care about graphics, which is one of the reasons somebody might choose a console over a PC.

So if we assume that you already own a TV, then a new PS3 with a 160 GB hard drive will cost you $250 total.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS463US464&q=ps3+price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=746476354484601806&sa=X&ei=wd4HT46xE-ry0gGjv7SKBw&ved=0CG4Q8wIwAg

If you want a 360 with a 120 GB hardrive, plus a headset, that'll only run you $200

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS463US464&q=xbox+price&gs_upl=0l0l1l543l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=667&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16070324161299864340&sa=X&ei=SN4HT4aEKajo0QHW2emkAg&ved=0CG8Q8wIwBA

I'm not going to argue whether PCs or consoles are superior, but in my experience consoles tend to be cheaper, even when I priced individual parts. Maybe I'm using the wrong search engines, though.

When you game on an SDTV it's about much more than just graphics (which I did for years). Have you ever tried to read the text?

It makes text heavy games nigh unplayable. Mini maps and even maps, the icons are damn near impossible to read.

This goes far beyond just visuals.

And I use my computer for far more than gaming too. I think it's safe to say I use my computer for a lot more than I use my TV/console.

I use a SDTV to play on my Xbox- one that is about 3 centimeters by three centimeters, I might add- and I've never had much of a problem. I had to lean forward to read some of the text in one or two games, but that's the only problem I've had. Every other game has either A) not had a large quantity of text, or B) used a larger font. In my experience, it's perfectly fine to use an SDTV if you aren't concerned with graphics, especially more action-focused titles. You might have a different opinion, which is fine, because, as far as I can tell, we're different people.

Some people, use their computers for work or other daily tasks, and maintain their computers as a result. Some people want the most versatile experience they can get, and have a relatively large amount of spare change lying around. Both of these people probably use their PCs for gaming. Some other people just use their PC for web browsing and Microsoft Office tools, which can be run on a sole gig of RAM on a five year old laptop with a graphics card that would be better defined as a Triscuit. If these people already own said five year old laptop and see no reason to expand their use of it, but still want to play games, it would make sense to buy a console. Different products for consumers with different wants. That's economics for you.

 

[Korten12]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

Alredy signed up the petition and shared it to my friends on Facebook.

Would really like to get this game on my PC to play it on high end graphics.

 

[Jesus Phish]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

Petition signed somewhere in the 30 thousand mark right now. I'll be happy to see this come to PC because I am a huge supporter of digital distribution and PC gaming. I think if this manages to get enough support for it to be ported to PC some other developers might notice the the PC community will actually buy games and support business when it exists to support. A bit of wishful thinking: maybe someday we'll see companies like Microsoft bring titles like Halo to Pc again.

 

[Christopher Dudgeon]

It's up to 30,450 sigs already!!!! Bring on Dark Souls to the PC!!!!!!

 

[Centrophy]

Back on topic: funnily enough I thought this would suit well on pc. Especially with all the slowdown I'm getting playing on Xbox.

Although I'm not really that impressed with the game. It'd only be worth being on the PC if they went the extra mile and made the controls more responsive.

Sadly the sluggish controls are part of the game mechanics. Just like the tank controls in Resident Evil made the zombies more threatening, if Demon/Dark Souls had snappy controls it would take away all threat from the game. No more would players die cheap deaths and it would turn into a normal dungeon crawler. Their terrible marketing gimmick of "omg, this game is so hard, play it" would also come to an end.

 

[Korten12]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

Better looking mods are fine. Difficutly shouldn't be changed because as you beat the game it get's harder.

You don't understand though, you don't pick your server. You go online and play with everyone. That's the whole point of the online, if you could pick up yuor server, then the community would be broken up.

The game is meant to played online so then people at any time can invade your game or you invite them to yours. Mods that change any aspect of this, would break it.

 

[Meight08]

Back on topic: funnily enough I thought this would suit well on pc. Especially with all the slowdown I'm getting playing on Xbox.

Although I'm not really that impressed with the game. It'd only be worth being on the PC if they went the extra mile and made the controls more responsive.

Sadly the sluggish controls are part of the game mechanics. Just like the tank controls in Resident Evil made the zombies more threatening, if Demon/Dark Souls had snappy controls it would take away all threat from the game. No more would players die cheap deaths and it would turn into a normal dungeon crawler. Their terrible marketing gimmick of "omg, this game is so hard, play it" would also come to an end.

Yeah the controlls of dark souls are very good and obviously meant to be played with a gamepad.
The rather stiff movement are supposed to be like that.
But if they ship them with tank controls and limited keybindings like one for left hand,right hand,spel,item
Because the ability to bind items would ruin the frantically readying your estus flask.
But i am afraid people will complain about that saying its a bad console port because of imposed restriction.

 

[omicron1]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

So there's this thing called a checksum. It can be used to ensure that a particular game (data files, executable, what have you) is unmodified. If nothing else, just have clients compare checksums before communicating and voila - no hacked/modded games in multiplayer.

 

[Korten12]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

So there's this thing called a checksum. It can be used to ensure that a particular game (data files, executable, what have you) is unmodified. If nothing else, just have clients compare checksums before communicating and voila - no hacked/modded games in multiplayer.

Huh..? Really. Well that would be perfect. If they have something like that. I would buy the game again just so then while I am out I can play on my laptop.

 

[Atmos Duality]

In practice, and overwhelming majority of online petitions are useless.
I guess it's good to see people doing legal activities for something they love.

Still, I don't see Namco-Bandai porting the title to PC anytime soon.
For economic reasons (piracy chief among them).

 

[DementedSheep]

Yes I would like Dark souls for the PC. Of all the exclusives on the consoles Dark Souls is the one I most want. I think it is the sort of game that would do well on the PC unless they completely cock it up with horrible controls.

 

[Meight08]

Well the guys in the video is a bit of arrogant dick but yes I would like Dark souls for the PC. Of all the exclusives on the consoles dark souls is the the one I most want. I think it is the sort of game that would do well on the PC unless completely cock it up with horrible controls.

that would not be a problem if they could just say
"play it with a gamepad"
but apparently thats a deadly sin of pc gaming.
seriously in the nineties you could release that required a joystick.
why cant you do the same now but with a gamepad