Dark Souls for PC: Petition

[Hobonicus]

Well my PC isn't that good, so things like better framerates etc aren't enough to convince me to get it on PC over console. Though what bugs me about this is the fact that I can't see the reverse happening - I cannot see a petition to get a PC exclusive shipped over to console.

Why should the PC elitists get console exclusives simply because TB made a video requesting it? Especially considering how many of those elitists (TB included) complain about "console ports" and bad design elements on certain PC games due to "adjustments made for console designs". PC fans ***** constantly about how console ports aren't good enough, so what right to they have to demand one now?

So because you can't have what you want, I shouldn't be allowed to have what I want? Do you see how silly and immature that sounds? Is this truly a competition? What did I ever do to you?

You want to punish PC gamers for something they haven't done. Nobody is trying to stop PC exclusives from being ported to consoles. You got Crysis? Cool. You got The Witcher 2? Cool. But there are some exclusives that cannot be ported to consoles very easily. Strategy games are a big one, and games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. require a ton of resources tracking hundreds of AI. What PC exclusives do you want on consoles? Many series that were originally PC exclusives have become console-oriented, does that not count?

And I don't see what the problem is with complaining about subpar products. There are some console ports that play horribly on PC, complaining about that isn't just "bitching". People have a right to want the best product they can get, but you have a "just take what they shove in your mouth and like it" stance that's so anti-progress it's sickening.

I consider myself a PC "elitist" Consoles are undeniably inferior than PC's, there is no argument against that that will ever stand up.

You're only an "elitist" if you think owning a good PC makes you better than the people who play consoles. Being aware of hardware specs doesn't not make you an elitist, it just makes you slightly more knowledgeable about hardware. Don't call yourself an elitist if you aren't, or you'll just support this ridiculous new definition of elitist as "anyone who enjoys their PC more than consoles".

I personally don't like being the victim and the bad guy at the same time.

 

[th155]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

Better looking mods are fine. Difficutly shouldn't be changed because as you beat the game it get's harder.

You don't understand though, you don't pick your server. You go online and play with everyone. That's the whole point of the online, if you could pick up yuor server, then the community would be broken up.

The game is meant to played online so then people at any time can invade your game or you invite them to yours. Mods that change any aspect of this, would break it.

What you have done there is that you have not understand the how mods have dealt with multiplayer before.

Diablo 2 could be modded

You could not use a mod on battle-net. It would be clean there.

Another example is dungeon defenders.
Mods are dictated by the host. If it is official then it will be clean. If it is a private server then it will be decided by the host.

It is as simple as that. And demon souls can use the same system.

Your mods will be decided by the host. Not a difficult concept.

but you also must understand, Dark Souls isn't a host game. You don't start up a private game and let people join. Everyone is on one server. And if the game came out for the PC, most likely it would be just a port, they wouldn't go out of their way to add a whole set of new features that would radically change Dark Souls from what it is.

So it works the same way I just explained with battle-net

Not complicated

no they work like the servers of an mmo
there is no private or public you get put in a server and there are supposed to be many people playing at the same time
to be able to mod it you would have to drastically hack the game like some world of warcraft private servers
That is not modding that is hacking
to be able to actually have your own server you would need a server powerful enough to render the entire game world at the same time like an mmo does.
offline would be possible but online unlikely.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You can easily make a portal situation. Just like they do on the console.

It doesn't have to be a single loggede on server. You have no clue what you are talking about and frankly your are spreading misinformation.

You can easily have a battlenet situation or Dungeon defender or just about EVERY fps that gets released. Battlenet games are hosted locally, but goes through statistics are hosted offsite. The fact that you think it has to it has to e a single instance hosted is downright stupid. multiplayer and modding has walked hand in hand for years on the PC solving more complicated systems Demon souls long ago. It can be done easily and safely, the fact you dont know how isn't an issue.

You don't understand. THERE IS NO HOSTING. I don't go on Dark Souls and host a game for people to join. They're not going to change the foundation of the game just to fit some needs of users to mod. If they change how it works, ITS NO LONGER DARK SOULS. Have you actually played the game? Or even know how the multiplayer works?

You don't understand. THERE IS HOSTING. What do you think that you connect to? you have to connect to a server. It doesn't matter that you can't host a game, it still has to be hosted by From. They could just use the solutions above on their master server, so that people can use mods in single player, and not multiplayer.

 

[Kathinka]

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You actually ignored one arguemnet. Mods will break this game.

Many PC gamers here already stated they would want Mods, but with how Dark Souls is played and meant to be played online. People would go around with One hit kill weapons and completely break PvP and if these weapons get dropped and traded, then well, good bye any chance at good and fair pvp.

That's not really how mods work, that's more how cheating works. Mods could make the game easier, harder, better looking, smoother running, better sounding etc etc

If a pvp server was set up with one hit kills, everyone playing would be doing one hit kills not just one dude who modded himself a really nice weapon which he then decided to drop and it was picked up by some other dude

Better looking mods are fine. Difficutly shouldn't be changed because as you beat the game it get's harder.

You don't understand though, you don't pick your server. You go online and play with everyone. That's the whole point of the online, if you could pick up yuor server, then the community would be broken up.

The game is meant to played online so then people at any time can invade your game or you invite them to yours. Mods that change any aspect of this, would break it.

What you have done there is that you have not understand the how mods have dealt with multiplayer before.

Diablo 2 could be modded

You could not use a mod on battle-net. It would be clean there.

Another example is dungeon defenders.
Mods are dictated by the host. If it is official then it will be clean. If it is a private server then it will be decided by the host.

It is as simple as that. And demon souls can use the same system.

Your mods will be decided by the host. Not a difficult concept.

but you also must understand, Dark Souls isn't a host game. You don't start up a private game and let people join. Everyone is on one server. And if the game came out for the PC, most likely it would be just a port, they wouldn't go out of their way to add a whole set of new features that would radically change Dark Souls from what it is.

So it works the same way I just explained with battle-net

Not complicated

no they work like the servers of an mmo
there is no private or public you get put in a server and there are supposed to be many people playing at the same time
to be able to mod it you would have to drastically hack the game like some world of warcraft private servers
That is not modding that is hacking
to be able to actually have your own server you would need a server powerful enough to render the entire game world at the same time like an mmo does.
offline would be possible but online unlikely.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You can easily make a portal situation. Just like they do on the console.

It doesn't have to be a single loggede on server. You have no clue what you are talking about and frankly your are spreading misinformation.

You can easily have a battlenet situation or Dungeon defender or just about EVERY fps that gets released. Battlenet games are hosted locally, but goes through statistics are hosted offsite. The fact that you think it has to it has to e a single instance hosted is downright stupid. multiplayer and modding has walked hand in hand for years on the PC solving more complicated systems Demon souls long ago. It can be done easily and safely, the fact you dont know how isn't an issue.

You don't understand. THERE IS NO HOSTING. I don't go on Dark Souls and host a game for people to join. They're not going to change the foundation of the game just to fit some needs of users to mod. If they change how it works, ITS NO LONGER DARK SOULS. Have you actually played the game?

wrong. there is obviously hosting. just because it's automated in the p2p system doesn't mean there is no hosting. things like that are not hard to mod. it wouldn't take modders long to create a fully functional mods. of course, only people who actually have and run the mod can play in this alternate version of the game.
mw2 for example has "no hosting", as you call it, still there is alter iw net with mods and everything.

i don't think you understand what a mod is. a mod is not a change on MY game, with wich i then proceed to play with people who have the unmodded game. think of it more as of an fan-made addon to the game. only people who run the mod play together.

 

[Valdus]

So because you can't have what you want, I shouldn't be allowed to have what I want? Do you see how silly and immature that sounds? Is this truly a competition? What did I ever do to you?
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No it means "Pc's aren't automatically better than consoles", so asking me why I wouldn't want to play the game with better framerates etc doesn't convince me, since for myself (and many people) that's not an option.

Read my posts, my issue with this is that it wouldn't work the other way around. If I made a petition to get say...Magicka (which was even designed with the 360 controls in mind) onto the xbox how easily do you think it would happen? Would someone like TB back me up? HELL NO. If PC gammers where willing to do this I wouldn't have an issue doing the same back, the problem is that isn't the case at all.

What's actually happening is that some PC gamers have gone "Whaa, we want to play/mod that game without getting a console, let's complain to the devs until they do it".

 

[Kathinka]

So because you can't have what you want, I shouldn't be allowed to have what I want? Do you see how silly and immature that sounds? Is this truly a competition? What did I ever do to you?
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No it means "Pc's aren't automatically better than consoles", so asking me why I wouldn't want to play the game with better framerates etc doesn't convince me, since for myself (and many people) that's not an option.

Read my posts, my issue with this is that it wouldn't work the other way around. If I made a petition to get say...Magicka (which was even designed with the 360 controls in mind) onto the xbox how easily do you think it would happen? Would someone like TB back me up? HELL NO. If PC gammers where willing to do this I wouldn't have an issue doing the same back, the problem is that isn't the case at all.

What's actually happening is that some PC gamers have gone "Whaa, we want to play/mod that game without getting a console, let's complain to the devs until they do it".

but that's because the technical limitations of consoles don't allow for games above a certain level of complexity. you are calling for games that would work on pc not to be ported there just because, if you can't have something, the other side must not get something of yours either, no?

 

[RastaBadger]

Yeh I would like to see this on pc. I already own the PS3 copy but I would probably buy a copy of this off steam especially if it improved graphics and added mod support.

 

[OverweightWhale]

Already signed it. Would love to see a port. I've played Dark souls at a friends house and the slow downs made the game unbearable at times. Also, the amount of negativity towards a pc port of this game is funny. You know not every PC gamer is an elitist? What would be the worst that would happen if they ported it? It's obvious there's a lot of console elistest who don't want to see their precious exclusive go to PC. I mean really get over yourselves.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Jesus, I am fine with this game coming to PC, but it doesn't even seem like Pc Gamers want Dark Souls, they want some other game that is similar to it or some game they can change to their whim. Since PC Gamers can't seem to just like the game how it is, because apparently no games are good enough till it fits all their needs.

Exactly this. PC gamers will obviously want something other than "vanilla" (and I hate that term) Dark Souls. They want more than just a resolution increase and better framerate, because if they just wanted that, then they'd play it on a console since graphics are the least important element to a game. I don't understand how people can't just be happy with the game the developer made. It's like buying a movie and deciding to "mod" it because you think it can be better, the way Lucas does with Star Wars (at least he is the original creator though).

Also, if Dark Souls did come to the PC, they would have to make it so you can't load a previous save from a few seconds ago because you died; the persistent world of the game where everything you do can't be undone is one of the key aspects of Demon's/Dark Souls.

I consider myself a PC "elitist" Consoles are undeniably inferior than PC's, there is no argument against that that will ever stand up. However, consoles are more convenient and that's why they are more popular. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Consoles are just PCs that are with hardware that is older so the game can't run on higher resolutions, that is all. If I play Batman AC on my PS3 and you play it on the PC, we both played the exact same game, except you played it on a higher resolution and probably had a higher framerate (the PS3 framerate was silky smooth for me without any drops). It's not like Batman AC is a different experience on the PC where it's like PSP or DS version of a console game (now that's a big difference). Console games look great to me as graphics are the least important element of a game, the most important part of a game's graphics are the animation quality and going from console to PC doesn't improve the game's animations, Skyrim's stiff animations are still very present on the PC version of the game. There's some PC games that wouldn't translate well to a console like a RTS, but probably at least 95% of games can be put on a console without losing anything or than some graphical quality. You "could" put a PC game on a console that requires a keyboard worth of buttons to play as the PS3 has keyboard and mouse support, and it was done with custom controller with Steel Battalion.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I hope this happens I'm actually kind of excited at the thought now lol...

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

All I learned from this is that by his logic I can't be as much of a gaming enthusiast as a PC gamer simply because I do not own a PC. Yeah...

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Jesus, I am fine with this game coming to PC, but it doesn't even seem like Pc Gamers want Dark Souls, they want some other game that is similar to it or some game they can change to their whim. Since PC Gamers can't seem to just like the game how it is, because apparently no games are good enough till it fits all their needs.

I agree.

It would be great if PC gamers could get their hands on Dark Souls.

But only if they experience it in the way the devs intended. You play the game on its terms, not the other way around.

No modding.

No hotkeys.

No quick saves/reloading

No lobbies

[sub]Final Destination...[/sub]

 

[Fishyash]

Well my PC isn't that good, so things like better framerates etc aren't enough to convince me to get it on PC over console. Though what bugs me about this is the fact that I can't see the reverse happening - I cannot see a petition to get a PC exclusive shipped over to console.

Maybe... just maybe it might be because almost every single game that people want to play on consoles is already on them? If there's a reason that a PC exclusive isn't on console, it's because the console players don't want it. Pretty much every single AAA game made nowday is on console unless designed in a way that is unfeasible for console play (and that's few and far between, but basically anything that requires more than 20 buttons or rapid cursor movement , like an everquest-like MMO or a starcraft-like RTS, can't really be played on an xbox/ps3 controller).

Simply put, it makes sense to put this game on PC. PCs can play pretty much any type of game except party games really well. Of course there are people who say "buy a PC [or buy a console]" as a response (and those guys aren't exclusive to being just "PC/Console fans"), but I think it is perfectly fine for people to want console versions of PC games. The latest PC game is going

I honestly hate the idea of console/PC exclusivity altogether.

Why should the PC elitists get console exclusives simply because TB made a video requesting it? Especially considering how many of those elitists (TB included) complain about "console ports" and bad design elements on certain PC games due to "adjustments made for console designs".

"TB says so" is not the only reason for this. I am glad TB brought the issue though, and (although unlikely) if dark souls actually came out on PC I would grab it instantly, it is one of those kind of games I have been looking for immensely.

Also in regards to people complaining about "bad console ports", I would be VERY suprised if people didn't complain about games working much better on PC than on console. The main reason for that is because most games work perfectly fine on console. Way more games today work better on a console than on a PC. I'm pretty sure if it was the other way round, there would be people complaining about "console elitist assholes".

PC fans ***** constantly about how console ports aren't good enough, so what right to they have to demand one now?

Forgive me for finding it rather funny that you use words like "demand", when I don't think that even TB feels entitled to be able to play the game on PC.


Simply put, it makes sense to put this game on PC. PCs can play pretty much any type of game except party games really well. Of course there are people who say "buy a PC [or buy a console]" as a response, but I think it is perfectly fine for people to want console versions of PC games (although pretty much all AAA games are released and designed for console), and there is only one valid reason for not putting a game on console, and that would be the game not being feasible for it(say an RTS that was designed like starcraft).

I honestly hate the idea of console exclusivity, and games not coming out on PC or on console.

 

[Waaghpowa]

All I learned from this is that by his logic I can't be as much of a gaming enthusiast as a PC gamer simply because I do not own a PC. Yeah...

...but you do own a PC (Personal computer), unless you're typing this post on your phone. Or you're borrowing the public computer 100 miles from your village.

What you need to do is not take TB seriously, he's intentionally acting like an arrogant douche.

 

[TrevHead]

All I learned from this is that by his logic I can't be as much of a gaming enthusiast as a PC gamer simply because I do not own a PC. Yeah...

Theres nothing wrong with you been a cosole gamer, we all have our own preferences. Although alot of PC gamers are similar to audiophiles. (OFC there are philes who dont like PC gaming)

An audiophile is no more of an music lover than someone who likes to listen to music through an normal hifi. Both enjoy music but the audiophile has certain requirements so he can get his fix

Although there is alot of hate/ snobbery in some PC gamers (and all gamers), most PC gamers just have perticular tastes which arnt been fufilled due to mainstream commerce.

Many "hardcore" Wii gamers have chips on their shoulders too, and I dont blame them

 

[Waaghpowa]

there is no current rational reason for exclusivity of any kind. None.

My thoughts exactly, exclusivity should have died years ago. The only reason I could conceive of for a game being exclusive would be hardware limitations.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

All I learned from this is that by his logic I can't be as much of a gaming enthusiast as a PC gamer simply because I do not own a PC. Yeah...

...but you do own a PC (Personal computer), unless you're typing this post on your phone. Or you're borrowing the public computer 100 miles from your village.

What you need to do is not take TB seriously, he's intentionally acting like an arrogant douche.

Netbook.
House computer is downstairs and shared by the family.Said computer can just about run DoW 2 after I bought a £60 graphics card which is the only game I play on it for RTS games are the only games that I believe work better on PC.

If he is making an argument why is he making his position biased and flawed by acting the arrogant douche?

EDIT: I do realise I said I do not own a PC which is incorrect. My PC is just not a space computer of the future.

 

[zombieshark6666]

Jesus, I am fine with this game coming to PC, but it doesn't even seem like Pc Gamers want Dark Souls, they want some other game that is similar to it or some game they can change to their whim. Since PC Gamers can't seem to just like the game how it is, because apparently no games are good enough till it fits all their needs.

I agree.

It would be great if PC gamers could get their hands on Dark Souls.

But only if they experience it in the way the devs intended. You play the game on its terms, not the other way around.

No modding.

No quick saves/reloading

No lobbies

[sub]Final Destination...[/sub]

That's just not what they want, though. Elitist mentality also has to do with thinking you can do better than the devs by adding little lines of code. Then objects. Then modes. Then cheats just for fun, not to make the game easier...

 

[Waaghpowa]

All I learned from this is that by his logic I can't be as much of a gaming enthusiast as a PC gamer simply because I do not own a PC. Yeah...

...but you do own a PC (Personal computer), unless you're typing this post on your phone. Or you're borrowing the public computer 100 miles from your village.

What you need to do is not take TB seriously, he's intentionally acting like an arrogant douche.

Netbook.
House computer is downstairs and shared by the family.Said computer can just about run DoW 2 after I bought a £60 graphics card which is the only game I play on it for RTS games are the only games that I believe work better on PC.

If he is making an argument why is he making his position biased and flawed by acting the arrogant douche?

EDIT: I do realise I said I do not own a PC which is incorrect. My PC is just not a space computer of the future.

Because he's TB, I find him insufferable, but if you get passed that you'll find that on occasion he has some valid points.

Aside from the fact that you have a netbook (Because netbooks are universally crap for anything but surfing), the system requirements for the average game these days are incredibly low due to the limitations of the current gen of consoles. More often than not, a cheap, year old out of the box prebuilt computer will play just about all the new games on low-medium settings, which is roughly what the consoles do anyway.

Dow2 is a PC exclusive game, so it's understandable that you'd struggle to run it. But games that also have a console release tend to have lower requirements. I've seen a shitty laptop play Skyrim, it's certainly doable and doesn't require a "space computer from the future".