Dark Souls PC, biggest over-rated garbage ever

[kingthrall]

Really I honestly thaught this was going to be some sort of next generation Skyrim with a darker setting like diablo and I was blown away how terribly constructed this game was made. I seriously could not even get off the bat to play the damn thing the reason being.

1. Controls and Settings- If your going to make a game, any genre for a game. At least make the defaults for the platform you are going to use it on work. I Literately wasad fumbled all over my keyboard for the button for a menu to find out the controls only to have to figure out how to move my mouse to select anything to get there in the first place, and I run a pretty damn fine custom machine.

2. Camera , the camera movement is terrible, Why on earth did they even bother putting this on a pc? Really this game is so half polished almost a Beta Pc version as rotation in dungeons is almost a chore to get anywhere, and when you do, its usually by luck. There is no smoothness when you compare skyrim or even batman arkham city where you had a 360 degrees world environment.

The good things

Atmosphere, Combat, Graphics were decent (which I dont honestly care about).

In conclusion, dont bother releasing a game with Console Advice for a PC game. Asking for to push A to pick up a dungeon key and Q is the button required to pick up the key is just the first step on a long road of disappointment.


Edit; To those who read this review or rant whatever you interpret know that I reccomend a good full month before you buy this game off steam. for two reasons, one is what ive listed and the second is it will be cheaper for you.

2 Stars out of five till they patch this game properly.

 

[lapan]

Since your complaint seems to be entirely related to controlls i'd advice getting a controller. If you already own a console you can just connect their controller.

The game was made for controllers/console originally so sadly Keyboard and mouse don't suit it well.

 

[kingthrall]

Since your complaint seems to be entirely related to controlls i'd advice getting a controller. If you already own a console you can just connect their controller.

The game was made for controllers/console originally so sadly Keyboard and mouse don't suit it well.

but that is the point, why would you sell a game that is not adapted properly to the keyboard????

 

[Soxafloppin]

I think because it was based on Demon's Souls which was a PS3 exclusive the controls are probably similar to that i.e best suited to a controller (guessing here I haven't played either).

I can understand your frustration though.

 

[lapan]

Since your complaint seems to be entirely related to controlls i'd advice getting a controller. If you already own a console you can just connect their controller.

The game was made for controllers/console originally so sadly Keyboard and mouse don't suit it well.

but that is the point, why would you sell a game that is not adapted properly to the keyboard????

Because people demanded they release it for the pc, which their publisher forced them to with a short deadline and with no prior experience.

A keyboard was never the optimal input device for action rpgs such as these. The good thing about a pc is, you can use whatever input device you want with it. I personally do own a ps3 and a xbox as well, so i just used the Xbox controller. I don't see why i should force myself to play everything with a keyboard. It might be great for a few genres, but nothing is perfect.

With a controller it's at least as good as the console version.

 

[kingthrall]

Since your complaint seems to be entirely related to controlls i'd advice getting a controller. If you already own a console you can just connect their controller.

The game was made for controllers/console originally so sadly Keyboard and mouse don't suit it well.

but that is the point, why would you sell a game that is not adapted properly to the keyboard????

Because people demanded they release it for the pc, which their publisher forced them to with a short deadline and with no prior experience.

A keyboard was never the optimal input device for action rpgs such as these. The good thing about a pc is, you can use whatever input device you want with it. I personally do own a ps3 and a xbox as well, so i just used the Xbox controller. I don't see why i should force myself to play everything with a keyboard. It might be great for a few genres, but nothing is perfect.

With a controller it's at least as good as the console version.

You cant argue that in behalf of the developer, it would be simply better not to release the game at all until it done. Its something you would expect of an EA product to do. I do not own a console and I missed out on a few games that were not released to pc but I didnt cry for them to be on PC, there are games consoles miss out on like total war so there is a trade off.

 

[lapan]

You cant argue that in behalf of the developer, it would be simply better not to release the game at all until it done. Its something you would expect of an EA product to do. I do not own a console and I missed out on a few games that were not released to pc but I didnt cry for them to be on PC, there are games consoles miss out on like total war so there is a trade off.

It would have been nice if they had unlimited time to perfect it, however most devs get a fixed deadline by their publisher. With a few exceptions like Blizzard and Valve who either are their own publisher or earn enough to be able to afford it.

 

[Jandau]

The game was made for controllers/console originally so sadly Keyboard and mouse don't suit it well.

This is ENTIRELY incorrect. Or to be more specific, it is not a valid justification. Nothing about Dark Souls' controls is impossible or even difficult to translate to keyboard. It's a fairly standard 3rd person game and its basic control setup isn't unlike many games that have been translated to a mouse&keyboard setup quite well. The most recent example would be Darksiders 2 which I played on M&K with no problems. Prince of Persia games are also a good example.

The ONLY reason M&K controls suck is because the developer did a shit job in that regard.

The biggest problem with the controls is the mouse sensitivity which seems to be inconsistent, jumping from too slow to too fast in a second. It manages to be sluggish, imprecise and hypersensitive at the same time. There is no reason for this aside from bad work by the developer.

The next problem is the control prompts - they are still represented by the A/B/X/Y/RT/etc. icons on screen. If a menu tells me to press Y to get more info about an item, that doesn't help me much. Not only that, but the same prompt can require different input depending on the context - for instance, the A icon corresponds to the Q button, except if you're in a menu, when it suddenly turns to Enter for no apparent reason. Again, there is no reason for this aside from bad work by the developer.

The third problem, which might not be as widespread is the controller itself. I do have one and upon seeing the mess that the game is, I tried plugging it in. But the thing is, it's not a 360 controller so the keys weren't mapped correctly. I wanted to remap it properly, but the game has no options to do so. At all. Once again, there is no reason for this aside from bad work by the developer.

Because people demanded they release it for the pc, which their publisher forced them to with a short deadline and with no prior experience.

Then outsource the development of the PC port to a company with experience. Or take extra time and do it right. Yes, the PC market wanted the game, but they wanted the game of at least equal quality to the original, not a rushed out afterthought of a port that can't even work properly with the dominant control scheme of the platform. That's like porting a PC game to the consoles without making sure the controler setup works with the game.

 

[Zhukov]

Hyperbole much there mate?

Besides, how can the PC version be overrated when everyone is saying it sucks?

I'm no fan of the game, but sheesh.

 

[lapan]

The ONLY reason M&K controls suck is because the developer did a shit job in that regard.

The biggest problem with the controls is the mouse sensitivity which seems to be inconsistent, jumping from too slow to too fast in a second. It manages to be sluggish, imprecise and hypersensitive at the same time. There is no reason for this aside from bad work by the developer.

It's not impossible, however i've seen more doing it wrong than doing it right.
A sensitivity option would have been useful indeed.

The third problem, which might not be as widespread is the controller itself. I do have one and upon seeing the mess that the game is, I tried plugging it in. But the thing is, it's not a 360 controller so the keys weren't mapped correctly. I wanted to remap it properly, but the game has no options to do so. At all. Once again, there is no reason for this aside from bad work by the developer.

I did happen to have a 360 controller, so i never noticed that. I have to agree that this sucks. Did you have any success with eternal key remapping tools like xpadder?

 

[Zhukov]

Hyperbole much there mate?

Besides, how can the PC version be overrated when everyone is saying it sucks?

I'm no fan of the game, but sheesh.

Because it is a good game, it actually has a decent plot and if it had the same flexibility as the console this game would easily be a best seller considering all the crap that has come out in 2012 (and im not talking about MA3). There has been nothing to wet my appetite for gaming at all this year and this is just disappointing. A huge dismantlement in other-words.

And yet again Zhukov trolling me yet again with nothing positive to say.

edit; D3 was appealing but expected failure and it did delivered on my expectations splendidly as a cash cow WOW lite.

Trolling you... again? Uh, what?

I don't think I've ever even talked to you before. I don't know anything about you except that you like Myth II a whole lot.

I was saying just that "biggest over-rated garbage EVAR" is a bit strong. That's all.

Personally I'm kind of surprised at how surprised people are by this. I mean, when the actual developer comes out and says their port is going suck [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117754-From-Software-is-Having-Trouble-Porting-Dark-Souls], then that's a good time to start lowering expectations.

 

[Jandau]

A sensitivity option would have been useful indeed.

There is one, but the sensitivity is inconsistent and the mouse control is imprecise for no apparent reason. Hence, the frustration

Did you have any success with eternal key remapping tools like xpadder?

Nope. The biggest problem is that the right analogue stick is messed up (X and Y axises are switched and then reversed).

But all that is besides the point, which is that the port is pretty bad. This is pretty much an objective fact. There are good ports, there are adequate ports and there are bad ports (and then there's Resident Evil 4, but that's another story). I am not saying Dark Souls is a bad game (or that it's a good game), I'm saying that the PC version was ported poorly. Reasons can be clearly listed, from bad controls, inadequate visual prompts all the way to a lack of basic graphical options.

Dark Souls is a bare-bones port with features that are not fully functional.

Personally, I hope they fix at least the controls and add basic visual options, since I'd very much like to see what the game has to offer...

 

[kingthrall]

Hyperbole much there mate?

Besides, how can the PC version be overrated when everyone is saying it sucks?

I'm no fan of the game, but sheesh.

Because it is a good game, it actually has a decent plot and if it had the same flexibility as the console this game would easily be a best seller considering all the crap that has come out in 2012 (and im not talking about MA3). There has been nothing to wet my appetite for gaming at all this year and this is just disappointing. A huge dismantlement in other-words.

And yet again Zhukov trolling me yet again with nothing positive to say.

edit; D3 was appealing but expected failure and it did delivered on my expectations splendidly as a cash cow WOW lite.

Trolling you... again? Uh, what?

I don't think I've ever even talked to you before. I don't know anything about you except that you like Myth II a whole lot.

I was saying just that "biggest over-rated garbage EVAR" is a bit strong. That's all.

Personally I'm kind of surprised at how surprised people are by this. I mean, when the actual developer comes out and says their port is going suck [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117754-From-Software-is-Having-Trouble-Porting-Dark-Souls], then that's a good time to start lowering expectations.

really when I say trolling its not in the way of harrasing, its just every comment ive read from you is always and I mean always negative. I have not posted a topic for a few months now but I know your avatar distinctly for some strange reason.
Reasons for a over the top headline is to gets peoples attention and its partially true in a way. Call it forum marketing if you like, its what people should do if they want to get things read. Its true that its complete garbage because even the worst games imaginable that have controls to play with defeat this game hands down for the simple reason that you literately cant play this game.

Oh and yes it would of been great if I had read that earlier before dling the damn game.

 

[lapan]

But all that is besides the point, which is that the port is pretty bad. This is pretty much an objective fact. There are good ports, there are adequate ports and there are bad ports (and then there's Resident Evil 4, but that's another story). I am not saying Dark Souls is a bad game (or that it's a good game), I'm saying that the PC version was ported poorly. Reasons can be clearly listed, from bad controls, inadequate visual prompts all the way to a lack of basic graphical options.

I guess having a rather optimal setup made me overlook some of the flaws.

In that case i'd only recommend it for people who already have a 360 controller or who don't mind spending 10?-20? on one.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well the PC version really wasn't overrated, the problems have been talked about since the moment it came out and while there are many young enthusiasts vigorously working at fixing things it is still a very flawed game.

It is particularly frustrating because the game punishes you for every false move, so every shortcoming weighs so much more into it.

 

[BlueberryMUNCH]

They made the game because PC gamers signed an online petition for From to make a PC version. They said themselves they didn't know what they were doing.

If the problems are so bad, just get a controller.
Yeah I'm sure it doesn't work as well as console as on PC, but does that make the game overrated? No.

'Atmosphere, Combat, Graphics were decent (which I dont honestly care about).'

So...you only play games to have fun with games that have good controls and camera movement?

Get a grip mate; just seems like you're winging. Sure, you feel like you're not getting your money's worth, I get that, but plenty of people have learned to deal with it. You seem like you don't even want to enjoy it.

 

[JochemHippie]

Well you demanded a dev with no experience making PC games to port their console game to PC.

I´m puzzled why anyone even imaged it´d be good without atleast a 360 controller to play it with.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

really when I say trolling its not in the way of harrasing, its just every comment ive read from you is always and I mean always negative.

That doesn't mean he's "trolling" though. Zhukov is just droll and truculent. It's part of his charm. Just like part of your charm is your enduring obsession with Myth II.

 

[krazykidd]

Really I honestly thaught this was going to be some sort of next generation Skyrim with a darker setting like diablo and I was blown away how terribly constructed this game was made. I seriously could not even get off the bat to play the damn thing the reason being.

1. Controls and Settings- If your going to make a game, any genre for a game. At least make the defaults for the platform you are going to use it on work. I Literately wasad fumbled all over my keyboard for the button for a menu to find out the controls only to have to figure out how to move my mouse to select anything to get there in the first place, and I run a pretty damn fine custom machine.

2. Camera , the camera movement is terrible, Why on earth did they even bother putting this on a pc? Really this game is so half polished almost a Beta Pc version as rotation in dungeons is almost a chore to get anywhere, and when you do, its usually by luck. There is no smoothness when you compare skyrim or even batman arkham city where you had a 360 degrees world environment.

The good things

Atmosphere, Combat, Graphics were decent (which I dont honestly care about).

In conclusion, dont bother releasing a game with Console Advice for a PC game. Asking for to push A to pick up a dungeon key and Q is the button required to pick up the key is just the first step on a long road of disappointment.


Edit; To those who read this review or rant whatever you interpret know that I reccomend a good full month before you buy this game off steam. for two reasons, one is what ive listed and the second is it will be cheaper for you.

2 Stars out of five till they patch this game properly.

Don't tell me you didn't know? The developpers themselves said it was going to be a shotty port . They knew it , they told us . They had no PC experience . We were warned . People still signed the petition to have the game released on PC. We got what they said they were going to give us . And yet people are still surprised . You know the saying " becarful what you wish for , you just might get it"? Well you got it . You are not allowed to complaine. They didn't hide anythig from you , and you still bought it , who's fault is that?