"Dating" and when you're considered to be in a relationship!!!

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ham and red bull

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Three exclamation marks means serious business!

I've been hanging out with this one girl I know from my formal dance class.
I can tell she's into me (because for one she told me, but also because she's very flirtatious)
I guess you could say we've gone out on a "date", and this is were my question comes from:

What is considered dating? How's it different from just hanging out?

Also, at what stage can you say: "we're not just dating, we're a couple?"


And it would also interest me to know when you guys:

...had your first girlfriend/boyfriend, if you had one?

...had your first real kiss (not talking about kindergarten "girlfriends")?


Edit: I'm really glad you guys are keeping this mature and not just saying: "PUT YOUR DICK IN IT!!!". Guess there's a reason the escapist is the best forum in the world.
 

Mimssy

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I still say I'm dating someone when I'm a couple. Just depends on how you define the terms I guess.
Date vs. Hanging out - I'd say a date is something more formal (not in the dress and tux way). Hanging out implies things amongst friends or with someone you have an established relationship with.

I first started dating when I was 17 (first kiss then too).
After then, my relationships have been a little weird.

My input isn't really good because I tend to be a couple after we've started sleeping together and just decide to make it an official relationship.
 

ham and red bull

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Mimssy said:
I still say I'm dating someone when I'm a couple. Just depends on how you define the terms I guess.
Date vs. Hanging out - I'd say a date is something more formal (not in the dress and tux way). Hanging out implies things amongst friends or with someone you have an established relationship with.

I first started dating when I was 17 (first kiss then too).
After then, my relationships have been a little weird.

My input isn't really good because I tend to be a couple after we've started sleeping together and just decide to make it an official relationship.
Okay, I'm hooked, how did they become weird?
 

b1u3too

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Now I can't do much an advice, but I'm a chick and a little bit of a special case. I hung out with a lot of guys in high school, but I considered it all friendzone. It got really fekking awkward when one of the blimeys got drunk and asked me out while walking me home from the public park in which he got drunk. Lesson: Be careful of the cockblocking friendzone, it's a killer.

Now, make sure you're actually reading her actions right, because men do tend to think ladies are flirting when they really aren't, they're just trying to be courteous. Since she said she actually likes you though, I assume that's not a problem. I don't know about her, but I'm an oblivious cockblock to myself, and didn't realize a guy liked me until he straight up put his bleeding arm around me in the movie theatre. Which is great, because I am quite attracted to him as well. Sometimes, it takes the obvious moves to make us gals realize that a guy is into us as well, and because we're told that being the demure damsel in distress (Earliest 3D trend), making the first move is a little out of the usual for us.

Now, I recommend being upfront. Ask her: "Will you be my girlfriend," or some other cultural equivalent. Make your interest explicit. I'm not sure how exactly, but I can give my personal example: After the first date, as he was walking me to my door, I simply said "Look, if you want to go out with me, you have to come and have a family dinner with my father." Yessum. I'm that old-school. But that actually got him really excited. Seriously, I think he almost wet himself. The effect rubbed off on me too, and there was, of course, the million nervous goodbyes as I snuck into my door, and the racing thought of "Dayum, do I kiss him or not?". Went inside without doing so.

Flung my foot back and kicked my self immediately in the ass.

But it was all good, he actually came over the next day to meet my parents, and that's when we knew it was official. That night we were watching movies in my parent's house, and that was also my first kiss-- On my parent's couch, watching Edward Norton/ Tyler Durden get his ass kicked. (Fight Club, if you ask me, is a good geek-date movie.) I can't speak for all the ladies, but I think the first kiss demands just a little privacy.

AND THEN STEAMY HOT SEX. Just kidding.

That's the tale of my first boyfriend and first kiss. OP, I wish this all goes well for you. I can't speak for your girl specifically, but sometimes we like the man to take the reigns on the official status of the relationship. Making it clear that you're dating is the easier step, but I'm not so sure about the whole couple thing. By this point, my significant other and I have been called a couple quite a few times-- I think it might have to do with the variety of activities you two do together, such as whether or not you can both be in the same house and get work (school, job, otherwise) done, with the other around. Perhaps it's the question of whether or not you two are a functional unit when you are together. I don't know.

TBH, he's my first too, and we're at the three-months-and-a-bit-mark. To be fair, we're both first years in university, and he's got a few exes behind him. Just so's you know where all this babble is coming from.

tl;dr - Don't be afraid. Take the rains. Chickas like that. GL HF.
 

Gunjack65

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Couldent say, I have many female friends that I hang out with and yet none of which I have ever gotton into a relationship with. Most of which I have not intention of.

I guess you could say I dated a girl once.
A while ago.
When I was 12.
Lasted about 3 weeks.
It was shite an I like to deny it ever happened.
Forget I said that.

So as a person who has never had a girlfriend I cant say how to get into this whole relationship thing let alone getting a first kiss. I dont belive in the whole love at first sight thing, probebly because a girl would need a minor brain hemmorrage before she found me attractive, but relationships cannot really develop out of friendships in my opinion. I apologise but it really is a area that I have little experience of.
 

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ham and red bull said:
Three exclamation marks means serious business!

I've been hanging out with this one girl I know from my formal dance class.
I can tell she's into me (because for one she told me, but also because she's very flirtatious)
I guess you could say we've gone out on a "date", and this is were my question comes from:

What is considered dating? How's it different from just hanging out?

Also, at what stage can you say: "we're not just dating, we're a couple?"


And it would also interest me to know when you guys:

...had your first girlfriend/boyfriend, if you had one?

...had your first real kiss (not talking about kindergarten "girlfriends")?
This is my opinion, but:

Dating is the time before you become official boyfriend/girlfriend. It's really just the same as hanging out, except you're both trying to determine if a relationship could exist. It's like rowing a boat out to sea. Once you're official, you turn on the motor and just hang out. And it's easier to row back if the sea looks rocky than go in and potentially drown.

You can say you're a couple when you both agree to being a couple. Maybe that's on the first date. Maybe after twenty. Maybe when your dad trades five camels for her. Whenever you both agree to it. In modern society, it is common for the couple to change their Facebook relationship status to "in a relationship" when they become official.

I had my first girlfriend when I was 16, and we're still together after 3 years.
My first kiss was when I was 17. We were both complete noobs at relationships, so we were a couple before we even kissed.
 

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ham and red bull said:
What is considered dating? How's it different from just hanging out?

Also, at what stage can you say: "we're not just dating, we're a couple?"


And it would also interest me to know when you guys:

...had your first girlfriend/boyfriend, if you had one?

...had your first real kiss (not talking about kindergarten "girlfriends")?
Dating is when you've gotten over the hump that makes you keep saying "She/He's Not my Boyfriend/girlfriend". It's not when you kiss the first time. When you are comfortable enough to tell your friends you are happy being with her and you could tell her anything and she could tell you back just about anything.

As for my questions to ask to me:

I had went out with three girls prior, never got to kissing with the first two. I was thirteen, she was fourteen, we never kissed each other until one year in our relationship.

If that tells you anything about me, My first real girlfriend was at 13, lasted until 18. I'm 20 now, so...yeah.
 

b1u3too

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SturmDolch said:
ham and red bull said:
Three exclamation marks means serious business!

I've been hanging out with this one girl I know from my formal dance class.
I can tell she's into me (because for one she told me, but also because she's very flirtatious)
I guess you could say we've gone out on a "date", and this is were my question comes from:

What is considered dating? How's it different from just hanging out?

Also, at what stage can you say: "we're not just dating, we're a couple?"


And it would also interest me to know when you guys:

...had your first girlfriend/boyfriend, if you had one?

...had your first real kiss (not talking about kindergarten "girlfriends")?
This is my opinion, but:

Dating is the time before you become official boyfriend/girlfriend. It's really just the same as hanging out, except you're both trying to determine if a relationship could exist. It's like rowing a boat out to sea. Once you're official, you turn on the motor and just hang out. And it's easier to row back if the sea looks rocky than go in and potentially drown.

You can say you're a couple when you both agree to being a couple. Maybe that's on the first date. Maybe after twenty. Maybe when your dad trades five camels for her. Whenever you both agree to it. In modern society, it is common for the couple to change their Facebook relationship status to "in a relationship" when they become official.

I had my first girlfriend when I was 16, and we're still together after 3 years.
My first kiss was when I was 17. We were both complete noobs at relationships, so we were a couple before we even kissed.
Sturm, I love your definition-- I'm totally using that. xD
 

Cheesus333

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I don't say dating cause I'm a stubborn Brit, but I gather it to mean a couple sharing mutual attraction and affection for one another whilst engaging in activities as such. Whereas being an actual bf/gf pair would presumably involve one or the other asking if they wanted to be a pair of such, and the other responding in the affirmative.

You can tell by the way that I talk about this shit that I get all the girls.

My first girlfriend was a few years ago. It was my longest and most sincere relationship, and it was still brief and hollow.

My first kiss was a couple of months into said relationship. It was brief, but certainly not hollow.
 

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Alright, as I'm standing in a very similar situation, let me give you my view.
"Dating" is a really overused term now, I think. but I feel like until one person refers to the other as boyfriend/girlfriend and the other accepts, that's obviously when you're in a relationship.

I started dating in middle school, took a break in high school and started dating again in my senior year, took a two year break after some rocky relationships, and only recently started getting back in the game.
My first kiss was in sixth grade, but if you opt not to count that, it was when I was 17.
The way I see it is this: The guy I like right now likes me too, there are just some things he's working out. I fell asleep on his lap between classes on Wednesday, and now everyone /operates/ under the presumption we're dating, and I don't bother correcting them because it's more or less true, and it's way less effort than explaining the actual situation to anyone.
The way I'm reading it you're in a pretty similar situation, sorta. You're in an unknown limbo.

Anyway, I wouldn't count anything as a date unless it was, you know, talked about as one. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but that's pretty much how I define things. Ask her out officially, or ask her if she wants to go on a date. Dinner, movie, the old cliches WORK because they're old cliches.
If she laughs in your face, well, guess I lead you down a misstep...

WOW, I ended up typing out alot more than I though I would and I don't even think I answered your questions ^_^'
 

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Hanging out with someone you hope to boink = dating.

If you go out on a date with someone and wish to continue going on dates with them you're dating. If i'm dating someone that means we're a couple.

First(and last) boyfriend when I was 16, first girlfriend 17. First kiss 16.
 

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I love stuff like this. X)

The failsafe, really, is that if you haven't both agreed that your relationship is something, then you shouldn't claim it to be so to others. If you're seeing each other and both know for sure that you both like each other, the other person VERY PROBABLY would also call it a date... buttttt some people are sort of complicated like that and they might like you but not really want to make anything of it for various reasons, perhaps they like someone else a whole lot more.

Again, for being able to say you're a couple, you just have to run it by each other first. In Scrubs, after JD and Elliot sleep together (for the first time? I can't really remember now) in the morning they say to each other, okay, let's have the talk. Are you my boyfriend? Yes. Are you my girlfriend? Yes. ... That's basically what needs to happen, else you risk having a very angry person demanding to know why you've been spreading lies that you're a couple.
Me and my current boyfriend underwent this conversation somewhat awkwardly when we were on our second date and an acquaintance of his who was at the same place we were at asked if I was his girlfriend. Our anniversary celebrates the day when an awkward silence was followed by him saying "Yyyess?" :D


So... my first boyfriend was at age 16, he asked me out during summer exams and I had to be awfully sensible and ask him to wait until our exams were over. X) I was also his first girlfriend... and I knew I was his girlfriend because he changed his MySpace status to in a relationship after the first date. XD He should've asked, really, but lucky for him I was happy with that!
It was all awfully awkward at first, we were both really shy back then. It took us a week until we first kissed (and that was my first kiss with anyone), after he very awkwardly said "hey, I've just realised we haven't kissed yet. Uh... do you wanna?" (Later we'd joke about him saying he'd 'just realised' when at the time he'd been sitting there psyching himself up to say it for an hour or so.)
I was with him for two years but then we realised we weren't really right for each other... or should have, but we tried getting back together a few months later and basically made each other miserable for another year trying to keep a relationship that had long past failed afloat, for some misguided romantic notion on my part and on his part I think he just didn't want to be alone.
But ho hum. I'm with someone who suits me far better now, really. I don't like talking to my ex, though, 'cause it just makes me kinda sad how much time and effort we wasted on each other.
 
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... i ask if we are a couple if the girl says no sweet her friends are open for business.

first girlfriend was and no this isn't bullshit 7... that girl was waaaay to mature and that lasted for about 6 months and is to date my longest relationship
 

ham and red bull

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b1u3too said:
Now I can't do much an advice, but I'm a chick and a little bit of a special case. I hung out with a lot of guys in high school, but I considered it all friendzone. It got really fekking awkward when one of the blimeys got drunk and asked me out while walking me home from the public park in which he got drunk. Lesson: Be careful of the cockblocking friendzone, it's a killer.

Now, make sure you're actually reading her actions right, because men do tend to think ladies are flirting when they really aren't, they're just trying to be courteous. Since she said she actually likes you though, I assume that's not a problem. I don't know about her, but I'm an oblivious cockblock to myself, and didn't realize a guy liked me until he straight up put his bleeding arm around me in the movie theatre. Which is great, because I am quite attracted to him as well. Sometimes, it takes the obvious moves to make us gals realize that a guy is into us as well, and because we're told that being the demure damsel in distress (Earliest 3D trend), making the first move is a little out of the usual for us.

Now, I recommend being upfront. Ask her: "Will you be my girlfriend," or some other cultural equivalent. Make your interest explicit. I'm not sure how exactly, but I can give my personal example: After the first date, as he was walking me to my door, I simply said "Look, if you want to go out with me, you have to come and have a family dinner with my father." Yessum. I'm that old-school. But that actually got him really excited. Seriously, I think he almost wet himself. The effect rubbed off on me too, and there was, of course, the million nervous goodbyes as I snuck into my door, and the racing thought of "Dayum, do I kiss him or not?". Went inside without doing so.

Flung my foot back and kicked my self immediately in the ass.

But it was all good, he actually came over the next day to meet my parents, and that's when we knew it was official. That night we were watching movies in my parent's house, and that was also my first kiss-- On my parent's couch, watching Edward Norton/ Tyler Durden get his ass kicked. (Fight Club, if you ask me, is a good geek-date movie.) I can't speak for all the ladies, but I think the first kiss demands just a little privacy.

AND THEN STEAMY HOT SEX. Just kidding.

That's the tale of my first boyfriend and first kiss. OP, I wish this all goes well for you. I can't speak for your girl specifically, but sometimes we like the man to take the reigns on the official status of the relationship. Making it clear that you're dating is the easier step, but I'm not so sure about the whole couple thing. By this point, my significant other and I have been called a couple quite a few times-- I think it might have to do with the variety of activities you two do together, such as whether or not you can both be in the same house and get work (school, job, otherwise) done, with the other around. Perhaps it's the question of whether or not you two are a functional unit when you are together. I don't know.

TBH, he's my first too, and we're at the three-months-and-a-bit-mark. To be fair, we're both first years in university, and he's got a few exes behind him. Just so's you know where all this babble is coming from.

tl;dr - Don't be afraid. Take the rains. Chickas like that. GL HF.
First of all I would like to thank you for taking the time to formulate such a long, but clever text.

The story behind me and this girl is a little weird, since we're both newbies. As I have mentioned we are both taking a dancing class, which is also were we met. I've seen her around school, but never wanted to or did talk to her. This may make me sounds like a douche bag, but my friend told me to get a girl quickly for the prom. I had to decide between her and her friend.

At around the 4. class (we have one class per week), our coach gave us the thumbs up to start asking. That same day I found out that this other guy that goes to the class is in the same class as both of them, and has already asked the other candidate. Which is why I jumped at the chance to ask my current interest, before she got stolen away.

I first noticed she was into me when we were dancing, and after each dance, she would slide her arm down mine in a very flirtatious way. We then started joke flirting with each other. After I got her number I called her and asked her out. She agreed.

We decided to go downtown. We walked around a lot, looked at some stores, but mostly talked. After about an hour I thought fuck it and took her hand, she didn't resist. The date ended with me walking her home and a last "I had fun, we should do this again" talk and a hug.

I asked her out again a couple of days later, but she said she couldn't, which really blew my confidence, which is why I freaked out a bit and started asking her things like: "did you tell anyone we were dating?" "If you don't like me just say it!" etc.

The next dance class we talked again and I apologized for being an asshole. (Just a little note, we went on the date before I asked her to the prom). Now we cuddle a little after each dance, and flirt a lot.

I asked her again to go out with me, and again she said she couldn't. By now I know she has a busy schedule (so do I), but she even said "we should hang out another time! :)"

So that's my little story.
 

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Just straight up ask her what's going down.

Do you wanna be a couple? If so, get on a few more dates and then make it offical, that's if she wants it ofc, makes sure she's not playing you.

I had my first proper relationship when I was 14, my first proper kiss when I was 12.
 

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My only advice is to stop asking for a clear definition of a relationship or where friendship ends and a relationship begins, because you aren't going to find one. I attempted to statistically analyze the idea of relationships and that went about as well as you might imagine, meaning it was based almost entirely on estimates and guesswork in the absence of actual data, which sort of defeats the point. Ask her out; do nice things for her; do everything you would if you were in a clearly defined relationship, and if things go well, then good for you.
 

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ham and red bull said:
Quoted purely to make my opinion heard. Read. Whatever.
Well, my friend, welcome to the world that is adolescent relationships.

Anyhow, sounds like you're swimming along just fine, but my advice is also to actually ask her to be your girlfriend if you want to be in a relationship. I mean, do so in whatever clever way you want, but in my experience, it helps. My first relationship had all sorts of issues because my then-girlfriend considered us to be dating (which Sturm summed up nicely), but not in a relationship. So there is in fact a difference. I didn't realize that. O_x

As for more of my story, I dated through most of high school, but my first proper kiss was with my second girlfriend and I was 17.