Dead Space : IGN gives it an 8.7

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hippo24

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In my opinion i almost never rely on the good folks at IGN, I feel that there reviews are often one sided, but i do often pay attention to the "reader reviews" but even that's unreliable at best.

-but regardless of what anyone says I'm getting Dead Space, and even if it sucks I'm going to lie to myself and say it's wonderful and that it was worth my 60 bucks (Self deception is awesome!!!)
 

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harhol post=9.73884.815944 said:
Hawgh post=9.73884.815850 said:
harhol post=9.73884.815687 said:
Not all horror relies on shocks though...
...in fact most good horror doesn't rely on shocks at all.
Be that as it may, I said that because a frightening and convoluted plot decays even quicker. Inform me of a single horror movie in which the key ingredient isn't something that's resolved somewhere around the climax or end of the film.

How are you going to deliver the same experience again, without erasing the auditions memory?
A game which successfully builds & maintains a haunting atmosphere will continue to be frightening even on subsequent playthroughs. I've played through the earlier Silent Hill games several times and they still give me the chills. Granted, the experience isn't quite the same the second time around, but the horror is so well integrated into the overall experience that the games possess longevity above & beyond any plot revelations. I don't necessarily think Dead Space will achieve this but I'm cautiously optimistic.

I also think horror movies and horror games are incomparable because of the nature of involvement. What makes good survival horror so brilliant is the delicate balance it strikes between the fear of failure and the fear of the unknown -- you know you have to press on but you don't want to. A movie, on the other hand, requires no involvement from its audience other than the suspension of disbelief. That's why I think the best horror games will always be better than the best horror movies.
it doesn't change the fact that once you know the plot, theme & dangers of the game, there will be significantly less of an unknown to fear, and you will see a reduction in repeatability.

The only way around this would be to design several vastly different stories & outcomes, something that would take up way too many resources at the time, and probably hinder suspension of disbelief.

As such, I believe that claiming poor repeatability is an unfair criticism of a horror game. That's the only thing I'm saying.

EDIT: I don't really know why I'm saying it, I honestly think the game looks pretty mediocre.
Hopefully that's just because the trailers doesn't really translate the feel.
 

The Wooster

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Remember the order folks! If a review posts a review of a game you don't agree with (even if you haven't played the game) your observation flow must follow the established pattern.

1: They are corrupt.
2: They are retarded.
3: The reviewer does not apreciate the genre and therefore should not review the game (one of my favourites)
4: Numerical scores are worthless.
5: Site in question is worthless.
6: All reviews are worthless.
 

TsunamiWombat

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Decoy Doctorpus post=9.73884.816859 said:
Remember the order folks! If a review posts a review of a game you don't agree with (even if you haven't played the game) your observation flow must follow the established pattern.

1: They are corrupt.
2: They are retarded.
3: The reviewer does not apreciate the genre and therefore should not review the game (one of my favourites)
4: Numerical scores are worthless.
5: Site in question is worthless.
6: All reviews are worthless.
you forgot 7. I hope Yahtzee reviews this soon and roasts it.
 

The Wooster

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harhol post=9.73884.817092 said:
Hawgh post=9.73884.816851 said:
As such, I believe that claiming poor repeatability is an unfair criticism of a horror game. That's the only thing I'm saying.
Ah, looks like I misinterpreted your point. I thought you were critcizing the genre itself.

Decoy Doctorpus post=9.73884.816859 said:
The reviewer does not apreciate the genre and therefore should not review the game (one of my favourites)
This is always true.
Bollocks is it. It's like saying only a mascochist should review a punch in the balls.

"It's a lot of fun you guys. You should try it"
 

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Decoy Doctorpus post=9.73884.816859 said:
Remember the order folks! If a review posts a review of a game you don't agree with (even if you haven't played the game) your observation flow must follow the established pattern.

1: They are corrupt.
2: They are retarded.
3: The reviewer does not apreciate the genre and therefore should not review the game (one of my favourites)
4: Numerical scores are worthless.
5: Site in question is worthless.
6: All reviews are worthless.
Couldn't have said it better myself, Decoy the Doctor.
 

Goon165

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Jesus Christ guys knock it off with the speculative bashing, go fucking play it and then tell us what you think god

I've played it and it's fucking good
 

wgreer25

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Goon165 post=9.73884.817124 said:
Jesus Christ guys knock it off with the speculative bashing, go fucking play it and then tell us what you think god

I've played it and it's fucking good
If you've actually played it, good for you for having the only worth while opinion here. As to IGN. First, you should always look to more than one source for a review, second you should give little creedance to the numerical value and just read what they have to say. The IGN reviewer said "Horror fans rejoice" and really liked it. So it was a good review. I think the games biggest flaw will be that it will appeal to a smaller audience than say COD4 only because of its genre. If you are a fan of Horror/action a-la RE4 (which had no horror to it) this could be a really good game for you. But don't trust me just yet I haven't played it, I preordered and need to pick up my copy. **shakes at desk at work in fetal position staring at the clock thinking "will 5:00 never come"**
 

anNIALLator

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Yeah, i'm pretty sure that I'll get Dead Space. "Horror fans rejoice" and 8.7 are 'get the game' points for me.
 

The Wooster

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Myeh. MGS4's actual game length is a flaw.

I also prefer it when games get lower scores as opposed to inflated mediocre scores. Killer 7 had an intriguing story and a great degree of style but it was fundamnetally broken. I think even taking into account what it gets right I'd still give it no more than a 6/10.

The problem is (and I don't want to go too deeply into this because I'm doing a Doctorpus M.D update on it) gamers get negatively conditioned by decent games with shitty elements. Like how Pavlov's dog repsonds to a bell ringing by salivating. The same principle applies to games, gamers have learned to percieve shitty things (like crap controls and camera angles in survival horror games) as positive aspects of a game.

A site like IGN hosts reviews for the average gamer, not the genre enthusiast. While resident evil 4 may not be the best survival horror game out there, it is a very good game regardless, having a general review written by an enthusiast would result in a lower score than would be fair. IMO.

(Sorry if this doesn't make sense. I haven't had a wink of sleep)
 

Lt. Sera

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ThaBenMan post=9.73884.815823 said:
Uhh, last I checked, 8.7 is a pretty damn good score. It's almost a 9.
Considering a 7 is the lowest any game seems to be able to get (due to reviews being bought) is a 3/4 score, thus a 7,5.

Not great, not bad, slightly above average game.
 

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tendo82 post=9.73884.814077 said:
Unless the game has a character who looks like Sam Neil and tears his eyeballs out halfway through the game, I'll probably pass.
Nice. "Let me show you..."

What I have seen of it looks interesting, but I'll wait for a source I trust to review it before I pay any heed to scores, and wait 'til I play it myself to past judgement.
 

mr mcshiznit

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i listened to 1up fm. and they said that they would like to give it an A(guessin that close to a 9 or so). but lets also not forget that everybody see's games differently. People hate assasins creed i love it, people love WoW i really dont. So just take scores w/ a grain of salt and when in doubt trust your instincs and play the game. It really fits into the more "rent" catagory anyway, its only like 10 hours long - not alot of bang for my buck ya no?
 

FrankDux

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Usually when a game's scoring that high it's pretty indisputable that it's a good game. I didn't really need a review to justify my interest in this, but I'm excited to see it doesn't disappoint.