Dear escapist of today

[M-E-D The Poet]

EDIT : MY OP IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A POEM
EDIT 2 : I know my OP looks like it contradicts itself but it doesn't I never once stated my opinion as being relevant

There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.

 

[BeerTent]

Your not a very good poet...
None of that rhymed!

 

[That One Six]

Ummmm, okay? I can get behind someone making their opinion known, but if you preface your rant with the words, "your opinion is irrelevant," it kind of undermines your whole argument. Especially when that rant is nothing but opinion. Also, what's the discussion value here?

 

[The Virgo]

My opinion is irrelevant? Well, I hate to break it to you, bub, but that also means that your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant as well. -_-'

 

[poleboy]

Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Now there's an argument likely to backfire.

If I'm understanding this gentleman correctly, the majority is always right and nothing else matters. That's a rather depressing attitude?

 

[Rawne1980]

Of course opinions are irrelevant ..... in some scenarios.

The only person who someone's opinion matters to is them self.

Before anybody jumps on me just think about it for one second.

Say you like a film and another person doesn't. Your opinion on that film means nothing to the other person and the other persons opinion on it means nothing to you.

So, for instance, Aliens is a pretty good film i'd go as far as saying one of my favourites. Some people will agree and some people will disagree however no-one else's opinion matters to me as it will still be a good film in my eyes and still one of my favourites.

I'm not saying I don't respect another persons opinions on certain topics but in the grand scheme of things they mean nothing to me. Mainly because my memory sucks giant hairy monkey balls and i'll forget about it 5 minutes later.

Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Now there's an argument likely to backfire.

If I'm understanding this gentleman correctly, the majority is always right and nothing else matters. That's a rather depressing attitude?

What he's trying to say is your opinion is important to you, however it may not be important to other people.

To you, your opinion matters, it means something. To someone else your opinion may not mean anything.

 

[basm321]

There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is

A

Opinion

Opinion=Irrelevant

Just want to make sure that I understand what you said.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Your not a very good poet...
None of that rhymed!

INORITE? I kept trying to find the flow in the post but none of it meshed well. 3/10

[sub]Comparing Justin Bieber and Mozart is a mortal sin. The reason why Mozart is relevant today is because the bastard is a musical genius. Beauty isn't in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is intrinsic to the object or sound. This is why so many people value old masterpieces instead of constantly switching to the next 'big thing'.[/sub]

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Can we add:

Opinion is not fact

To the lesson too? Or is that for another day?

Seriously though, people need to stop thinking subjective opinion is an acceptable form of evidence in a debate. It is not... at least as long as you are a 3rd part to the subject in discussion.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

My opinion is irrelevant? Well, I hate to break it to you, bub, but that also means that your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant as well. -_-'

That is probably the best response that could possibly have been given to this fellow.

Meanwhile, I will ignore the pages long response that is already brewing up in my head as I go find something more interesting to do. Or at least a better topic to post in.

My opinion is irrelevant? Well, I hate to break it to you, bub, but that also means that your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant as well. -_-'

Yes but the stating of that is not an opinion
And indeed my opinion is irrelevant all the same

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

There comes a time when we have to say STOP to a community
That time is now, because some things ruin the mood in society
Your lesson for today is this :
Your opinion is the most important thing in the world , but your opinion is irrelevant.

Allow me to elaborate, A lot of people on the escapist think that games like COD or HALO are worthless pieces of tripe (Note : The modern presentations of them)
Then in every thread about anything closely related to these subjects they start spewing their hatred and start offering up alternatives to them in a state of grandeur.
The thing is however, the threshold by which we determine whether something is good or bad is not noted down by the amount of hatred for said subject, but by the threshold of likeability.
Now this may be tough to fathom but I'll give you an example

Mozart and Shakespeare we both consider masters of their craft and kings of their era, but for each Mozart there was a minor greater artist of whom we know nothing. Perhaps Mozart was the justin bieber of his era, we can't ever be too sure of that, what we can be sure of is that enough people liked his music to make it last through the years and be relevant today.

And yes ladies and gentlemen, you read that right, artists like Justin Bieber may be the only thing left of our present generation in 200 years, it's sad but it's the way it goes.

Now a bit more to the point, yes for example Deus ex might be a masterpiece of gaming, but that becomes irrelevant when 99% has never heard or given a crap about it. Yes CoD might be meaningfully shite but if 30% of the world knows about the COD franchise and likes it that franchise becomes GOOD in the eyes of society.

You can argue against it but every mature man and woman at some point has to learn that that is how the world works


M-E-D The Poet out.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is

A

Opinion

Opinion=Irrelevant

Just want to make sure that I understand what you said.

the stating of the theory is not an opinion the rest of the post is however. so yes

 

[SaikyoKid]

-Snip-

I'm... kinda confused as to what the point of the whole page is here. Is this something along the lines of a rant telling all the other peeps not to rant because our individual opinions are null and void to everyone else besides ourselves?

Oh and a side note, it really isn't that sad that Beiber may be one of the major things remembered of our generation hundreds of years from now. That whole being dead thing kinda makes everything else moot.

 

[Littlelongy]

There is one HUGE flaw in your argument here.

Popular = good.

You assert this point, but frankly, it isn't true. I mean, at some point, I suspect everyone here has been ill, making the act of 'being ill' a very popular one: I don't however think that anyone would argue that it's a good thing. You may be right about the likes of COD, I just think you need to think up a better reason to persuade other people of this. And if popular does mean good, then - by your own logic - doing so will be essential for your opinion to hold any amount of merit.

Oh and a side note, it really isn't that sad that Beiber may be one of the major things remembered of our generation hundreds of years from now. That whole being dead thing kinda makes everything else moot.

Hah! Made me laugh.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

-Snip-

I'm... kinda confused as to what the point of the whole page is here. Is this something along the lines of a rant telling all the other peeps not to rant because our individual opinions are null and void to everyone else besides ourselves?

Oh and a side note, it really isn't that sad that Beiber may be one of the major things remembered of our generation hundreds of years from now. That whole being dead thing kinda makes everything else moot.

well more or less that your opinion is not fact, and you should not treat it as fact.

And

That whether or not you hate something does not mean you have to shove that in everyones face

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

There is one HUGE flaw in your argument here.

Popular = good.

You assert this point, but frankly, it isn't true. I mean, at some point, I suspect everyone here has been ill, making the act of 'being ill' a very popular one: I don't however think that anyone would argue that it's a good thing. You may be right about the likes of COD, I just think you need to think up a better reason to persuade other people of this. And if popular does mean good, then - by your own logic - doing so will be essential for your opinion to hold any amount of merit.

Oh and a side note, it really isn't that sad that Beiber may be one of the major things remembered of our generation hundreds of years from now. That whole being dead thing kinda makes everything else moot.

Hah! Made me laugh.

do you think being ill is good?

You are mistaken in my point

the point is that good is subjective

Yes even when it comes to quality

for example take the southpark episode wherein they make fun of everything the older generation listens to sounds shit to children and vise versa

To the older generation in this scenario "The Police" was a good band, and "tween wave" is garbage, to the kids " The police" is the worst thing ever created and "tween wave" is awesome

What you think is good and what I think is good depends completely on our personal view

But when millions of people say something is good then by that standard it is good because millions ofpeople will partake in said following

 

[SaikyoKid]

well more or less that your opinion is not fact, and you should not treat it as fact.

And

That whether or not you hate something does not mean you have to shove that in everyones face

Ahh, this makes it a little easier to grasp then. And honestly it's something I can stand behind too. Life'd be MUCH easier if everyone just told people of the things they loved and opted to keep quiet on things they hated. Unfortunately, we're living in reality and telling people to quit it doesn't do much more than spread said hate. I personally say live by example and ignore any haters on anything and instead look at everything with a smile.

do you think being ill is good?

You are mistaken in my point

the point is that good is subjective

Yes even when it comes to quality

for example take the southpark episode wherein they make fun of everything the older generation listens to sounds shit to children and vise versa

To the older generation in this scenario "The Police" was a good band, and "tween wave" is garbage, to the kids " The police" is the worst thing ever created and "tween wave" is awesome

What you think is good and what I think is good depends completely on our personal view

But when millions of people say something is good then by that standard it is good because millions ofpeople will partake in said following

I will say, however, that you should be very careful when following this kind of logic. I believe what you're saying here is that mob mentality automatically makes something subjectively good, or bad if that's what the mob says, and that is usually not the case. I say a few expert opinions outweighs a whole lot of voices of those who aren't for many, MANY subjects.