Death Battle: Goku vs Superman

[Scarim Coral]

Incoming nerd rant, no I'm not complaing about the result, more like plotholes/ flaws-

When the hell does Goku have telepath ability when he got out an bean without using his hands?
How did Superman figure out Goku is an alien? (Well ok not so much of an plotholes.)
Goku no longer use that staff once he use it to reach Kami palace.
Can Goku really turn into SS4 easily and even then they did it out of canon wise (judging from the setting it was DBZ seeing how Roshi, Chi Chi and etc where there in their DBZ apperances).

While the explaination why Superman win was sound but wasn't it pretty much a bittersweet result seeing how they both blow up Earth or is Superman somehow travel back in time somehow? (I mean there no longer planet for him to spin back on.)

 

[mitchell271]

Oh look, the only reason to go to Screwattack after Jared left. Wooo
Good episode though.

 

[Winnosh]

Goku would survive being thrown into the Sun, while Superman wouldn't. If Goku made the Sun go supernova he would win. Even if Superman could outrun the speed of light (which I think he can't), he would probably sacrifice himself to save Earth. Meanwhile, Goku only has to use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone.

superman gets his power from the sun superman goes for naps in the sun

Check your facts. All-Star Superman. Google it.

Superman prime Google him, he hung out in the sun for 15 thousand years

I'll end this. All-Star Superman is non-canon (literally, that's not an opinion, it's official company stance).

But to be more on topic; The calculations for Goku were terribly inaccurate. Superman recovered too quickly from the kryptonite. Their characterization was god awful and neither character would have fought the way they did (Goku always takes this shit away from cities, Superman would have also quickly moved their battle location once he noticed the damage that was being done). That being said, Superman would win regardless, Both can raise their "power" to levels so obscene that it would destroy planets, they wouldn't allow Earth or any other inhabitable planet to be destroyed during their fight and Goku has to breathe whereas Superman doesn't. Literally the only thing that ends up mattering in this "death match" is that Goku can't breathe in space.

All that aside, this is retarded, neither character fits into each others universes, mixing and matching this crap just doesn't work, the video was stupid and looked piss-poor (the voice acting made me want to pop my eardrums with an icepick), the idiotic prattling of the the fans from both sides (ESPECIALLY in the comment section of screw attack) is inane and insufferable.

People (unfortunately now I'm mixed up in this crap) are fighting over FAN-FICTION.

Also, I'm a an arrogant killjoy if you've yet to notice.

Canon doesn't work that way in comics. All Star Superman was a possible lead up to the DC 1,000,000 storyline written also by Grant Morrison. Being set in a different continuity or timeline does not invalidate something from being Canon or not. That's a fan invention.

 

[Winnosh]

The only way for something to be noncanon in comics is if it is not written by someone currently employed by the company producing the character.

 

[Winnosh]

Incoming nerd rant, no I'm not complaing about the result, more like plotholes/ flaws-

When the hell does Goku have telepath ability when he got out an bean without using his hands?
How did Superman figure out Goku is an alien? (Well ok not so much of an plotholes.)
Goku no longer use that staff once he use it to reach Kami palace.
Can Goku really turn into SS4 easily and even then they did it out of canon wise (judging from the setting it was DBZ seeing how Roshi, Chi Chi and etc where there in their DBZ apperances).

While the explaination why Superman win was sound but wasn't it pretty much a bittersweet result seeing how they both blow up Earth or is Superman somehow travel back in time somehow? (I mean there no longer planet for him to spin back on.)

1:Taught by King Kai
2:He scanned his cell structure and physiology using his microscopic vision
3:He may not use it but he still does have it.
4ramatic value
5:Because it's funnier that way.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Being set in a different continuity or timeline does not invalidate something from being Canon or not. That's a fan invention.

If that were true, you could throw DC's Elseworlds and Marvel's What If and Zombies series into the mix. That would get messy as far as Death Battle is concerned. If it's stated by the creator the two universes have nothing to do with each other, that's pretty much the end of it.

OT: They didn't calculated for power scaling? That's a basic principle of that universe. You fail Death Battle.

 

[Ranorak]

It was a rather well produced and entertaining episode. Goku's voice made me laugh.

Check out Team Four Star, masenkoX does the voice of Goku and his son Gohan in a Dragonball Z Abridged series.

OT:
As a big DBZ fan I always thought Goku would win without breaking a sweat, but the character summary at the start already made me like Superman more then I did before. Always assumed he was a boring character.

And the actual fight was really well done, so, yeah, Superman would probably win.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

They also didn't account for Goku becoming stronger after each defeat.

Goku was a severed foot by the end of the fight. I don't think you can come back from that.

Yes but think about how powerful that foot would be! If that foot could some how gain sentience and the ability to move it's power would be three times more powerful than before and would kick supes ass

Ah, like the infamous Vegito Chocolate Ball.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Oh look, the only reason to go to Screwattack after Jared left. Wooo
Good episode though.

Jared left? When did that happen?

OT: Haven't seen the episode since my internet and whatever it is ScrewAttack use to host their videos do NOT go well together.

 

[llew]

Goku would survive being thrown into the Sun, while Superman wouldn't. If Goku made the Sun go supernova he would win. Even if Superman could outrun the speed of light (which I think he can't), he would probably sacrifice himself to save Earth. Meanwhile, Goku only has to use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone.

did you watch the video? superman would simply brush off a supernova and goku would not survive being in the sun simply because there is no oxygen, also superman draws his power from the sun and goes into it during the video

 

[axlryder]

As much as I love Goku's character, this has been a foregone conclusions for years.

 

[JudgeGame]

Goku would survive being thrown into the Sun, while Superman wouldn't. If Goku made the Sun go supernova he would win. Even if Superman could outrun the speed of light (which I think he can't), he would probably sacrifice himself to save Earth. Meanwhile, Goku only has to use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone.

did you watch the video? superman would simply brush off a supernova and goku would not survive being in the sun simply because there is no oxygen, also superman draws his power from the sun and goes into it during the video

I was basing my point on the All-Star Superman arc where he gets terminally ill by flying to close to the sun and dies. Apparently, DC has made this non-canon.

 

[mitchell271]

Jared left? When did that happen?

OT: Haven't seen the episode since my internet and whatever it is ScrewAttack use to host their videos do NOT go well together.

He got fired around the end of October. Hard News was taken up by Chad, Newsroom (their best series) ended with a bad bloopers reel and they've been cycling people in and out of Sidescrollers ever since. I just don't care about it anymore.

 

[Akytalusia]

sounds about right. though i had no idea that superman was so stupid OP. anyway, entertaining episode. pretty cool to hear the tfs va's.

 

[Winnosh]

Goku would survive being thrown into the Sun, while Superman wouldn't. If Goku made the Sun go supernova he would win. Even if Superman could outrun the speed of light (which I think he can't), he would probably sacrifice himself to save Earth. Meanwhile, Goku only has to use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone.

did you watch the video? superman would simply brush off a supernova and goku would not survive being in the sun simply because there is no oxygen, also superman draws his power from the sun and goes into it during the video

I was basing my point on the All-Star Superman arc where he gets terminally ill by flying to close to the sun and dies. Apparently, DC has made this non-canon.

He belived that he was terminally ill. he was actually undergoing a change leading to him becoming Superman Prime and shedding his more mortal form.


Superman Sundips all the time. Well not all the time but it's a common ability. The reason he was poisoned in All Star was because of Luthor's bomb.

 

[Leemaster777]

This was truly a great episode. Yeah, some of the stuff about Goku was a bit off, but in the end, Goku's power is really, really hard to quantify. You can't really blame Death Battle for getting some stuff wrong, Dragonball Z is REALLY inconsistent with how power levels work (lest we forget, Krillin was able to hurt Super Saiyan Goku with a simple rock in a filler episode pre-Cell Games).

And really, Superman is basically the DEFINITION of "overpowered".

And to everyone thinking that Goku's martial arts training gives him the edge, let's not forget one simple fact: Superman was trained by Batman. Yeah.

 

[Baron_BJ]

Goku would survive being thrown into the Sun, while Superman wouldn't. If Goku made the Sun go supernova he would win. Even if Superman could outrun the speed of light (which I think he can't), he would probably sacrifice himself to save Earth. Meanwhile, Goku only has to use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone.

superman gets his power from the sun superman goes for naps in the sun

Check your facts. All-Star Superman. Google it.

Superman prime Google him, he hung out in the sun for 15 thousand years

I'll end this. All-Star Superman is non-canon (literally, that's not an opinion, it's official company stance).

But to be more on topic; The calculations for Goku were terribly inaccurate. Superman recovered too quickly from the kryptonite. Their characterization was god awful and neither character would have fought the way they did (Goku always takes this shit away from cities, Superman would have also quickly moved their battle location once he noticed the damage that was being done). That being said, Superman would win regardless, Both can raise their "power" to levels so obscene that it would destroy planets, they wouldn't allow Earth or any other inhabitable planet to be destroyed during their fight and Goku has to breathe whereas Superman doesn't. Literally the only thing that ends up mattering in this "death match" is that Goku can't breathe in space.

All that aside, this is retarded, neither character fits into each others universes, mixing and matching this crap just doesn't work, the video was stupid and looked piss-poor (the voice acting made me want to pop my eardrums with an icepick), the idiotic prattling of the the fans from both sides (ESPECIALLY in the comment section of screw attack) is inane and insufferable.

People (unfortunately now I'm mixed up in this crap) are fighting over FAN-FICTION.

Also, I'm a an arrogant killjoy if you've yet to notice.

Canon doesn't work that way in comics. All Star Superman was a possible lead up to the DC 1,000,000 storyline written also by Grant Morrison. Being set in a different continuity or timeline does not invalidate something from being Canon or not. That's a fan invention.

1. It's not a fan invention, this statement ludicrous.
2. It's non-canon, but what is canon with regards to super hero comics? They make use of a multiverse, so the question then becomes "from which universe is this Superman from?" The answer to that question for this sort of crap is the Primary universe where the comics are written because if people are fans of the character then that's the character that has probably gotten them on board and has all the written material about them (except for cartoons/movies). Things that are non-canon are essentially just classed as being in another universe. Can you extrapolate details from those other universes about the characters potential or something like that? Of course, but only if it's the same actual character, if their genealogy or abilities are different then it's obviously not the same.
3. Do the different universes have their own canon? Yes. However whenever someone has referred to something as non-canon it has always meant that it just wasn't part of the main universe. This entire conversation has been meaningless semantics.
4. For this sort of crap you have to assume they mean the main universe versions of the characters because that's the one people care about, if you decide to mix and match random abilities that the character might have in alternate universes then you end up with someone that is not only not the actual nor an accurate representation of their capabilities, but you end up making this sort of crap even more meaningless and stupid than it already is.

 

[Lazy-Man]

I have question, why Goku? He isn't the most powerful character in DBZ (Yeah, I'm not taking GT into account, because it was shit, and completely unnecessary) Vegito is supposedly the most powerful character, and Gohan is supposed to be the most powerful non-fused good guy... also what about Buu? I think Kid Buu vs Superman would have been way more interesting.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

I think the more intriguing question everyone has on their mind is who would win in a fight...

Between Cole MacGrath and Alex Mercer

Okay, THAT'S not even fair.

Cole fights from long range, Alex fights at close range, Cole can move relatively fast, Alex can move extremely fucking fast, Cole beats up people at close range, Alex EATS people at close range.

Do you see the problem here?

 

[Drago-Morph]

I have question, why Goku? He isn't the most powerful character in DBZ (Yeah, I'm not taking GT into account, because it was shit, and completely unnecessary) Vegito is supposedly the most powerful character, and Gohan is supposed to be the most powerful non-fused good guy... also what about Buu? I think Kid Buu vs Superman would have been way more interesting.

Two reasons, I would assume. First, because Goku is iconic. Second, because by the end of Z I believe he's back to being the most powerful non-fused character (both because he trained between the end of the Buu arc and the end of Z, and because there were some power up shenanigans when he and Vegeta defused) though it's debatable if Vegeta could be tied with him still at this point.