Death (sort of depressing)

[Gardenia]

Come on people. He did the right thing by putting his dog down, don't try to make him feel guilty by doing the PETA-thing of comparing humans and animals.
OT: My grandmother died in '96, but it wasn't all that sad, because she had been suffering from MS for all of her adult life, and we were just relieved she didn't have to suffer anymore. The last 10 years were spent in a hospital bed. Basically she, and most other members of my family were all in favor of euthanasia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOAcRKZxjy4
Take a look at that short video, and tell me what you would do, oh wise one.

Goddamnit I don't even like dogs, and that made my eyes all moist.

 

[II2]

All my parents and grandparents are dead from natural causes. Several people I know have suicided including my partner from about six years ago, and one very recently, also various business acquaintances have either died or reduced their brains to a vegetative state through drug abuse and might as well be dead, really. Never had any pets die on me though, except some guinea pigs when I was little but I don't remember that. Currently I have two cats and they will never die.

Jesus, are you being literal? The only non-death, human-vegetable state I've ever heard of as the direct result of drug abuse was from various specific incidents surrounding bad batches of attempts to create heroin using Fentanyl (which certain addicts used and suffered greatly for). (Not a personal tale)

If you just mean human vegetables by way of junkies not really able to do anything useful besides maintain their subsistence, then I follow you. A lot of my friends have, regrettably, significantly retarded their progress in life though booze, coke or junk. [sub]Not that I've always been an angel myself...[/sub]

I still miss my guinea pigs... '_'

 

[VelvetHorror]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Look at the explanation, and realize how much of an ass you made yourself out to be. Please.

 

[Dastardly]

You killed your dog because it was diagnosed with cancer?

Treatment would probably be a better solution, but whatever.

Treatment for doggie cancer is expensive shit.
Which would you prefer: The dog suffers through multiple chemo sessions with little hope of improving, or gets put down quickly and painlessly.

This was the more humane choice.

I suppose, if your idea of humane is giving up.

If not giving up means the creature I care about suffers more pain than it would if I let it die calmly and without pain, then it deserves to be given up on.
I've been through this. I've seen the pathetic look my dog gave me. I saw the pain he was barely enduring. I've seen the look he gave me begging- PLEADING for me to end it.
Don't give me that giving up shit. What the fuck else was I supposed to do?

Pleading with you? No non-human animal knows what death is or could ever express any form of suicidal thought. They simply aren't self-aware or capable of such comprehension.

Yet they are, in your mind, sentient enough to want to hang on to the last shreds of a miserable and painful life at all costs? I'm sorry, your view is internally inconsistent.

Either animals can "want to live" AND "want to die," or they have no opinion either way except for in-the-moment instinctive reactions to avoid things like starvation, predators, and cars.

This guy did exactly what he should have. For one, it was NOT. TREATABLE. I'm sorry, but they just don't have the same kind of hyper-advanced treatments for animals as they do for people. Blame veterinary science, if you must.

Moving on, the animal would have been suffering. And the family would have had to watch it suffer. And, frankly, it's better to remember the animal as it was when it was happy, than to remember watching it decay while still lurching around the house and vomiting everywhere.

But no, go ahead. Take the halfway-high-road. Ascribe all of the personality characteristics that you see as positive to animals... but ignore the possibility of any you deem negative. If you believe animals can feel pain, you ought to believe animals can suffer. And if you'd rather have them suffer just so you can feel all high-and-mighty, you're incredibly selfish.

 

[Nagisa94]

aww *Gives Hyperhammy a hug and a cookie*

 

[Dastardly]

Also, folks, think it through. Animals are not people.

No no, don't get all hippie on me, think it through.

1) People can get health insurance. Animals? Not so much. So while it may be theoretically possible to save an animal that's been dismembered by a car or ravaged by cancer, a lot of folks simply can't afford the INSANE medical bills. And there's no one to help them.

2) People can receive counseling to deal with things like this. Animals? They're basically in it alone, thanks to the language barrier.

 

[GWarface]

i own 4 dogs...and used to work at the local zoo as a volenteer. something that always got to me was people saying that animals dont feel, that they are just sacks of meat ment to serve humans...guy who said that got beat by me and my brother. every time one of our dogs has been hit by a car...they always stuck around long enough till we had hugged it and said good bye. sometimes for days afterwards the other animals on the farm would act like they were in a state of mourning or depression...ive seen to many animals act too human to beleive they dont feel like us.

This.. Animals have feelings too.. Propably even more than humans have, they know whats going on and whats about to happend...

A few years back when i lived at my parents, they live on a small farm, we had pigs... Extremely funny creatures... But believe me, they know who that guy in the freezing-truck with the bolt-pistol is and what he is going to do...

Ooh the screams...

 

[hyperhammy]

i own 4 dogs...and used to work at the local zoo as a volenteer. something that always got to me was people saying that animals dont feel, that they are just sacks of meat ment to serve humans...guy who said that got beat by me and my brother. every time one of our dogs has been hit by a car...they always stuck around long enough till we had hugged it and said good bye. sometimes for days afterwards the other animals on the farm would act like they were in a state of mourning or depression...ive seen to many animals act too human to beleive they dont feel like us.

This.. Animals have feelings too.. Propably even more than humans have, they know whats going on and whats about to happend...

A few years back when i lived at my parents, they live on a small farm, we had pigs... Extremely funny creatures... But believe me, they know who that guy in the freezing-truck with the bolt-pistol is and what he is going to do...

Ooh the screams...

My mother told me stories about how the pigs got slaughtered, wow...
but I agree... I think (some) animals are more aware of what's going on than most humans.

 

[BonsaiK]

All my parents and grandparents are dead from natural causes. Several people I know have suicided including my partner from about six years ago, and one very recently, also various business acquaintances have either died or reduced their brains to a vegetative state through drug abuse and might as well be dead, really. Never had any pets die on me though, except some guinea pigs when I was little but I don't remember that. Currently I have two cats and they will never die.

Jesus, are you being literal?

If you OD on heroin, and it's strong enough, and the ambulance arrives early enough to save your ass but a little bit too late to save your mind, you can wake up with permanent brain damage. I know a couple people like that who are basically just plugged into machines now. I also know a musician who had a stroke that was brought on by excessive substance use, which resulted in the complete loss of his memory, which included all of his musical ability. The guy could play just about every instrument in the orchestra beforehand, now he doesn't even remember the members of his own band. Or how to talk.

 

[hyperhammy]

All my parents and grandparents are dead from natural causes. Several people I know have suicided including my partner from about six years ago, and one very recently, also various business acquaintances have either died or reduced their brains to a vegetative state through drug abuse and might as well be dead, really. Never had any pets die on me though, except some guinea pigs when I was little but I don't remember that. Currently I have two cats and they will never die.

Jesus, are you being literal?

If you OD on heroin, and it's strong enough, and the ambulance arrives early enough to save your ass but a little bit too late to save your mind, you can wake up with permanent brain damage. I know a couple people like that who are basically just plugged into machines now. I also know a musician who had a stroke that was brought on by excessive substance use, which resulted in the complete loss of his memory, which included all of his musical ability. The guy could play just about every instrument in the orchestra beforehand, now he doesn't even remember the members of his own band. Or how to talk.

Where the hell do you live that has this many drug addicts?!

 

[dogenzakaminion]

My uncle who I was really close to died a year ago. He had a tumor on his heart, which was removed and after 1 year of kimo he was diagnosed as cured. Then a few years later he was diagnosed again, this time inside his heart and they couldnt do anything. He spent 2 years of his life knowing that he was inevitably going to die and after over a year of suffering he passed away aged 47. In the end I was glad when he finally passed since he wouldnt have to suffer anymore, but I do miss him. Death is never easy, but it is a part of life. At least you have the memories.

 

[Astoria]

Pleading with you? No non-human animal knows what death is or could ever express any form of suicidal thought. They simply aren't self-aware or capable of such comprehension.

I would like to see such proof.
Until I do, I would like to say one thing to you: Stop talking out of your ass. That's my thing.

Proof that an animal doesn't understand death or could ever contemplate suicide? Did you seriously just ask for proof of that? XD

The next time you see a cow riddled with depression, threatening to jump from the water tower, take a photo and send it to me. I'd love to see it.

I love how you've admitted that it can't be proven yet you state it as a fact.

 

[Les Awesome]

damn....
hate when pets die

i once had two rabbits the bigger one killed my favorite one
later on the bigger one had 8 babies don't how
a month on i got to love some of the cute widdle bunnies
my favorite one the black one i called shadow , i had accidentally killed
not gonna get into that.sold the 7 bunnies....too many memories
the rabbit i had left (by the way his name babidi yes i named him
after a dragon ball z character)was killed by a big bird who
lets say was a messy eater =[
later on again again i was minding a friends rabbit cos he went abroad
the rabbit was attacked by a cat and gotten its spine broken
and was put down =[
and last story promise
my cat whom i had loved for years was killed on
halloween by a bunch of chavs (set on fire by lynx)

and so ends my tale of woe and misfortune
funny thing is.......i laugh when ever i tell this story =D

 

[GWarface]

i own 4 dogs...and used to work at the local zoo as a volenteer. something that always got to me was people saying that animals dont feel, that they are just sacks of meat ment to serve humans...guy who said that got beat by me and my brother. every time one of our dogs has been hit by a car...they always stuck around long enough till we had hugged it and said good bye. sometimes for days afterwards the other animals on the farm would act like they were in a state of mourning or depression...ive seen to many animals act too human to beleive they dont feel like us.

This.. Animals have feelings too.. Propably even more than humans have, they know whats going on and whats about to happend...

A few years back when i lived at my parents, they live on a small farm, we had pigs... Extremely funny creatures... But believe me, they know who that guy in the freezing-truck with the bolt-pistol is and what he is going to do...

Ooh the screams...

My mother told me stories about how the pigs got slaughtered, wow...
but I agree... I think (some) animals are more aware of what's going on than most humans.

I think i saw one of them get shot, then i ran in to watch tv with the sound as loud as possible...

A good example of animal perception is from the tzunami a couple of years ago. (yes i know there has been more than one, but the "first" one where people actually cared)
I cant remember how many thousands of people died but no animal were harmed... They just ran for the hills even before most of the people knew what was going on... And i think a little girl survived because of an elephant grabbing her and running away...

As for the OP, i feel deeply for you... Never fun loosing a pet...

 

[astrav1]

A great many times.

 

[BonsaiK]

All my parents and grandparents are dead from natural causes. Several people I know have suicided including my partner from about six years ago, and one very recently, also various business acquaintances have either died or reduced their brains to a vegetative state through drug abuse and might as well be dead, really. Never had any pets die on me though, except some guinea pigs when I was little but I don't remember that. Currently I have two cats and they will never die.

Jesus, are you being literal?

If you OD on heroin, and it's strong enough, and the ambulance arrives early enough to save your ass but a little bit too late to save your mind, you can wake up with permanent brain damage. I know a couple people like that who are basically just plugged into machines now. I also know a musician who had a stroke that was brought on by excessive substance use, which resulted in the complete loss of his memory, which included all of his musical ability. The guy could play just about every instrument in the orchestra beforehand, now he doesn't even remember the members of his own band. Or how to talk.

Where the hell do you live that has this many drug addicts?!

What, three? There's probably at least three drug addicts on any random block in any major inner-city. Besides, these are just people that I know, they don't all live next door. One of them (the stroke guy) doesn't even live in my city. I guess I just happen know a lot of heavy drug users because they tend to be drawn toward the industry that I work in.

 

[Bernzz]

and last story promise
my cat whom i had loved for years was killed on
halloween by a bunch of chavs (set on fire by lynx)

What.

I hope to god that you're joking. Otherwise, I have an axe to grind. Through their skulls.

 

[deonte9109]

My mother and I was travelling to Alabama to get my brother for Christmas. On the way there she got a phone call from a family friend who told that my grandmother passed away. She died the week before Christmas and my mom had to go to U.S.V.I.(look it up) for funeral arrangements. We stayed for two weeks. never in my life have I cried so much.