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[Orcus The Ultimate]

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[Woodsey]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

In light of this comment OP: do you think there's a negative correlation (and subsequent causation) between someone's intelligence (Y-axis), and how quickly and neatly they can sum up their views on abortion (X-axis)?

I'm beginning to think so.

 

[Teh Ty]

Do you think feminists are sexist, or just trying to make up for lost years that were in the kitchen with the atomic family?
Also, Do you think it's right that a women can accuse any man of raping her after sex, but the man can;t do the same?

 

[Scorched_Cascade]

But if the child was never intended, aren't you worsening the existence of the mother and presumably the father too? Should the parents not come first? Accidents happen. You only live once, sometimes one doesn't want the burden of children to hamper their existence. Why should they tolerate a child when it could lead to a miserable existence for both the parents and child?
Happiness is key in our world, a mistake should not nullify that.
I believe people should at least have a choice. Rather than strip them of the choice due to some moral crusaders, we shouldn't force our own opinions down one another's throats and make them law (to an extent of course).
Live and let live I say.
Keep in mind these are all totally personal beliefs, just for the debate and all that.

While I agree with you that particular expression was probably a bad choice. I tried drafting my own response about how I am not a woman and it is not my child so I wouldn't even think of judging or forming a view on it (that's right I just went triple negative on your ass) but I always came off as sounding a bit of a dick so bravo to you for not having the same flaw.

 

[Shirokurou]

Actually sacrifice was meant to instill fear in the neighbors. A form of psychological warfare. They were prisoners of war. No matter what they did, they would have died anyway because there were soldiers there. Unarmed combat is suicide. We can't say anything other than that because Europe destroyed everything that was of archeological significance.

I heard from some history channel that they did find this.
And yes unarmed combat was suicide, yet it would've been a better way to go, than that.

I can tell you're mad at Europe, but I'm Russian, so don't point that at me.

 

[orangeban]

What Christianity isn't the only religion? Great Scot, when did this happen?

That too. Certain religions were also born of people explaining the world. Although I think that they developed in much a similar manner as to how I described. Some kid asked his parents why the sun rises and sets each day and they make ups some tale to answer it. Kid takes it as fact and several generations later everyone believes it.

Another important point. The first 2 holders of power in a cave-man society were the Chief and the Shaman.
Hell look at what Mayans and Aztec made out of a religion with it's massive sacrifices. There were like a 100 prisoners lined up for having their heart cut out by one priest. They could've like rebelled and took him down 100 to 1. But dying as sacrifice meant "heaven" so they just went on as nice little sheep to a slaughter.
Also the Pope could routinely send whole countries on crusades for the sake "spreading the faith", while actually claiming land.

I'm glad those times are long gone... Well mostly. I surprised religion is even around nowadays with it's God-centric worldview...

Nice conversation we're having though I think any one of us is a girl.

Actually sacrifice was meant to instill fear in the neighbors. A form of psychological warfare. They were prisoners of war. No matter what they did, they would have died anyway because there were soldiers there. Unarmed combat is suicide. We can't say anything other than that because Europe destroyed everything that was of archeological significance.

Perhaps for the leaders, high priests and generals of the Aztec world it was purely a practical thing, but for the comman Aztec man we know their religion demanded sacrifice. From there point of view it's kill some people, or have everyone die. 'twas as much a practical religion as one driven by fear.

 

[Baneat]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

Umm No. Your comment is so non sensical that it mocks itself. So thank you for doing your Job for me. But I will humor you. So apparently killing something that is part of you is okay. So if I had a twin who was attatched to me and needed me to survive. I could murder him because he is just a part of me. "NO" you say. You say that the this twin is a seperate entity who just relies on the other. But hmmm what is that like. Oh I don't know. A fetus living in it's mothers womb.

The twin has its own rationality, hence, is entitled to liberty

Ball's in your court, keep the ad-hominem's out this time thanks.

 

[drwow]

How much per word

 

[Woodsey]

Do you think feminists are sexist, or just trying to make up for lost years that were in the kitchen with the atomic family?

By definition, a feminist is someone who wants women to have equal rights to men. If they're sexist, they aren't actual feminists.

Uh, I shouldn't look at these threads. I always end up answering loads of questions for the hell of it.

 

[ImSkeletor]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Well, current abortion law limits the time you can have an abortion as to limit the suffering of the fetus. Note I say fetus, not baby, because at that point the things is just cells, has not nervous system and no self awareness. Although that is really beside the point, as I also believe taking life is wrong. What I am interested in is your opinions with unjust pregnancies. Like say a woman is raped and gets pregnant. She would be forced to have that baby. Teenage mothers? Ever statistic in the world shows that teenage parents have a significantly worse life than those who have children later. A pregnancy isn't just about the baby, it's about the parents too.

If it occures from rape AND they do it before the point when all the organs are developed it is up to them. Teenaged mothers should not murder their fetuses. They made the choice unlike women who are raped. Also even though it may not feel yet you are stripping it of the ability to grow and eventually feel. It is only slightly less terrible.

But if the child was never intended, aren't you worsening the existence of the mother and presumably the father too? Should the parents not come first? Accidents happen. You only live once, sometimes one doesn't want the burden of children to hamper their existence. Why should they tolerate a child when it could lead to a miserable existence for both the parents and child?
Happiness is key in our world, a mistake should not nullify that.
I believe people should at least have a choice. Rather than strip them of the choice due to some moral crusaders, we shouldn't force our own opinions down one another's throats and make them law (to an extent of course).
Live and let live I say.
Keep in mind these are all totally personal beliefs, just for the debate and all that.

That is actually a very reasonable arguement. Though of course I have to argue it. I think that choice should be adoption. Rather then take away your babies chance at life give them a different one. Some say that many women would rather abort their baby then wait a while then part with it once you get attached. But that is extremely selfish in my mind. They are basicly saying "If I can't have it no body can."

 

[ImSkeletor]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

Umm No. Your comment is so non sensical that it mocks itself. So thank you for doing your Job for me. But I will humor you. So apparently killing something that is part of you is okay. So if I had a twin who was attatched to me and needed me to survive. I could murder him because he is just a part of me. "NO" you say. You say that the this twin is a seperate entity who just relies on the other. But hmmm what is that like. Oh I don't know. A fetus living in it's mothers womb.

The twin has its own rationality, hence, is entitled to liberty

Ball's in your court, keep the ad-hominem's out this time thanks.

Just read the response I made to mr Somewhere. Sorry about that piss poor arguement I just made. I was just kind of annoyed.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

Go ahead, I double-dare you.

I was orginally going to ask: What is your opinion on the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during world war two... BUT INSTEAD, this is my statement:

Harry Potter is fucking AWESOME. Your move.

 

[Mr Somewhere]

But if the child was never intended, aren't you worsening the existence of the mother and presumably the father too? Should the parents not come first? Accidents happen. You only live once, sometimes one doesn't want the burden of children to hamper their existence. Why should they tolerate a child when it could lead to a miserable existence for both the parents and child?
Happiness is key in our world, a mistake should not nullify that.
I believe people should at least have a choice. Rather than strip them of the choice due to some moral crusaders, we shouldn't force our own opinions down one another's throats and make them law (to an extent of course).
Live and let live I say.
Keep in mind these are all totally personal beliefs, just for the debate and all that.

While I agree with you that particular expression was probably a bad choice. I tried drafting my own response about how I am not a woman and it is not my child so I wouldn't even think of judging or forming a view on it (that's right I just went triple negative on your ass) but I always came off as sounding a bit of a dick so bravo to you for not having the same flaw.

Heh, yeah I realise how awful the use of that expression was. Eh, still stands. I still feel in such a strained life we lead, we really ought to have some choice without having others butt in, one should be able to pursue their own dreams and hopes uninhibited, which is rather important these days.
Captcha: "rtabourn specific"

 

[ImSkeletor]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

The tragic thing about death isn't the fact that they could of potentially done something but now can't. The tragic thing is that they can't do what they want anymore (e.g. you don't say, "*sniff* he could of got a wife," you say, "*sniff* he was wanted to get married one day".) Fetuses don't have brains until very late on into development, let alone wants. This also applies to the person dying (e.g. the person would only regret getting married if they entertained any thought of getting married.) so therefore we prove the fetus wouldn't really care about being aborted, seeing as they have no idea of what they could or want to do. They have no desires, so they therefore have no desires to be sad about not fufilling.

Now onto the second part of my case (the "pro-choice" bit). Here we're going to have to prioritse lifes. Which is more important I ask, a living, thinking human being (with wants and desires) or a (effectively) non-human (practicaly) non-living fetus? Remember I just showed the fetus wouldn't care about being aborted, the human does care about having a baby. Now, having a baby is a life-changing event. For teenagers who accidentaly have had a baby it can completely de-rail their desires (there's that word again) for life. Is it right to put the rights of the non-living fetus before the very much alive human? Remember, both their lives are at stake, only the fetus doesn't care about its.

You might say, why can't the pregant person put the baby up for adoption? The problem here is you can only do that once the baby has been born. At that point the baby is just that, a baby. A fully living human being. For many people parting with the little lump of cells that's been feeding off them for 9 months can be difficult for them. They feel obliged to look after a baby that they would truly rather not look after. Abortion can remove the baby from the pregnant person before the attachment becomes to strong, thus keeping the pregant persons life on track with their plans. Thought I'm not in anyway saying we should do it for them, no matter what they want. Abortion isn't a particularly nice thing and we want the pregnant person to be fully aware of what it entails, the consequences and what it really means. It's all about choice.

You are cheating the baby out of the ability to breath for the first time. You are cheating it out of taking it's first breath. Abortion is STEALING LIFE. It is infact just as bad as murder. Also by the way you describe new born would not "care" either because it can't comprehend such things. So that would mean that it is okay if you kill your baby when it first comes out.

No, it's not okay to kill the baby as it comes out because at that point the whole is it living, is it human thing becomes a lot more controversial and unclear. Also, you have the alternative of giving the baby away for adoption.
And go back to my earlier point, you have to have priorities. You've got to choose the unwillingly pregnant woman or the fetus in terms of whose life you ruin.

As I said to the other guy just read my response to mr somewhere.

"That is actually a very reasonable arguement. Though of course I have to argue it. I think that choice should be adoption. Rather then take away your babies chance at life give them a different one. Some say that many women would rather abort their baby then wait a while then part with it once you get attached. But that is extremely selfish in my mind. They are basicly saying "If I can't have it no body can""

 

[guyroxorz]

If you had used proper grammar in the title then I would have considered this, sadly you said, "I will debate you!" rather than, "I will debate with you."

 

[orangeban]

Go ahead, I double-dare you.

I was orginally going to ask: What is your opinion on the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during world war two... BUT INSTEAD, this is my statement:

Harry Potter is fucking AWESOME. Your move.

The first few installements (books or movies, though I haven't read the last 2 books) were good in that they focused on the setting and the weird and wonderful world of Hogwarts. However, in the later ones I found the focus shifting to the darker and more serious plot, which I think made the series as a whole suffer. I went into the later books hoping for more insight into the crazy magic world and was very disappointed.

 

[Baneat]

What are your feelings about abortion? I think it is murder.(And Im not just saying that)

You thinking it is murder doesn't really say much. Does that mean you're pro-life? I've known people who thought it was murder but were pro-choice, because not everyone thinks the same.

I guess you're trying to debate OP but still...I'd like to learn more on this topic and challenging my own thoughts is the best way to do so, since I've never really met anyone against it.

I am pro-Life. I believe in Freedom and I wish the government had less restriction on people (I am somewhat of a LIbertarian) but you don't have the "freedom" to MURDER someone. It is just as bad as having the baby then suffocating it because you don't feel like taking care of it.

Hey you've not quite finished the maxim you live by:

Try"

Liberty is sovereign, but only when it does not restrict liberty in itself



Now, let's consider liberty itself. Can a foetus have liberty? No, it's not rational, it is literally just an object with potential. If it's murder to not allow a potential person to be, then it's murder to not have as many babies as humanly possible.

So, when does one draw the line, as a baby isn't rational, yet I still think you shouldn't kill born babies? that's the important question.

For now I'll say, that you can't be libertarian and want to restrict women from aborting, as it's..



AHA!*moment of clarity*

As it's part of the woman's body before birth, we can consider it under the moral and liberal responsibility of the woman it's attached to. It's in her domain. Once it leaves the body, it's no longer part of her, hence subject to different rights. By god, I've cracked it after years of cognitive dissonance..

Umm No. Your comment is so non sensical that it mocks itself. So thank you for doing your Job for me. But I will humor you. So apparently killing something that is part of you is okay. So if I had a twin who was attatched to me and needed me to survive. I could murder him because he is just a part of me. "NO" you say. You say that the this twin is a seperate entity who just relies on the other. But hmmm what is that like. Oh I don't know. A fetus living in it's mothers womb.

The twin has its own rationality, hence, is entitled to liberty

Ball's in your court, keep the ad-hominem's out this time thanks.

Just read the response I made to mr Somewhere. Sorry about that piss poor arguement I just made. I was just kind of annoyed.

That's.. big of you. But, my point still stands.

From one libertarian to another, ok? (Sovereignty of reason)

Assuming that we follow the maxim I set out, of sovereignty of liberty unless it imposes on the domain of another's liberty, is my argument for abortion not sound?

I may be appealing to consequences, but to go so far as to say that the foetus itself is potential life, and that not allowing that potential to flourish is tantamount to murder (This is what I read from you, ok?)

Then, why doesn't the sperm count? or the egg? or the act of sex? or the act of life, in which one of its own purposes is to produce more babies? I think, that pro-life is the ultimate anti-libertarian view, simply because its premises when followed, to the absolute extreme of themselves, destroy liberty totally, and absolutely.

What do you think? Are you just, not a libertarian? (Completely fine, but it would be kind of moot otherwise)

 

[Teh Ty]

Do you think feminists are sexist, or just trying to make up for lost years that were in the kitchen with the atomic family?

By definition, a feminist is someone who wants women to have equal rights to men. If they're sexist, they aren't actual feminists.

Uh, I shouldn't look at these threads. I always end up answering loads of questions for the hell of it.

Then how come they get made when I open the door for them? :c
Also, that's half the fun of it c:

 

[Rayne870]

You are not a girl and cannot prove otherwise over the internet.