Deepest Story in a Game *No Spoilers*
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Oh yeah, I read about that. And apparently we do have black helicopters [http://www.verticalmag.com/control/news/templates/?a=17392], which we only know because we lost one killing Bin Laden. >_> is right. Brb making tinfoil hat.thenamelessloser said:
Well, the twin towers thing was a graphical limitation, actually. And yes, the story split you mentioned is quite incredible. I also liked how at the end,thenamelessloser said:
It's really hard not to agree with or at least feel sorry for the crazy omnicidal necromancer.
Whew, good. I'm used to people taking Deus Ex's story very straight and praising it as the best story ever. It's put together well, but wow, is it ever silly. Which I approve of, mind you. It's wonderfully absurd. I've often called it "the west's MGS", actually.Kahunaburger said:
Agreed. Neither gets any publicity, and it's a real shame. I do try to recommend them frequently, though - especially TSE2, being free and all.Kahunaburger said:Haha and those last two are so underrated as RPGs! People don't know what they're missing
Planescape: Torment is the obvious answer, if you're a sucker for plot in games you're doing yourself a disservice by not picking this game up from GOG and enjoying!
For something a bit less obvious Mask of the Betrayer, first expansion for Neverwinter Nights 2, was surprisingly intriguing. It's the only game I've ever played that ever delved into some of the more dark aspects of the Forgotten Realms setting and fantasy in general. Very well written with some solid voice acting, great cast of characters, and quite a few twists and turns along the plot.
For something a bit less obvious Mask of the Betrayer, first expansion for Neverwinter Nights 2, was surprisingly intriguing. It's the only game I've ever played that ever delved into some of the more dark aspects of the Forgotten Realms setting and fantasy in general. Very well written with some solid voice acting, great cast of characters, and quite a few twists and turns along the plot.
I really hope so with Mask of the Betrayer because NWN2 (in the middle of act 3) is probably the worse story I seen in an Obsidian game (well except maybe Dungeon Siege 3 but only played a demo of that). I mean NWN2's story isn't bad just not what I would expect from an Obsidian title. I'm hoping that Mask of the Betrayer comes closer to what I expect of them.The Madman said:
Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas.
They really do a great job at poking human nature and exposing the horrible things humans are willing to do, pay the price for their deeds, and then go about screwing everything up all over again. They really are a great series of stories that show humanity trying to rebuild society and civilisation and all of the things that factor such as greed, superiority, autocracy, independency, Hegelian Dialectics, imperialism, dictatorships, ideology, corruption, politics, society, survival, religion, redemption, civilisation, "for the greater good" and segregation.
They really do a great job at poking human nature and exposing the horrible things humans are willing to do, pay the price for their deeds, and then go about screwing everything up all over again. They really are a great series of stories that show humanity trying to rebuild society and civilisation and all of the things that factor such as greed, superiority, autocracy, independency, Hegelian Dialectics, imperialism, dictatorships, ideology, corruption, politics, society, survival, religion, redemption, civilisation, "for the greater good" and segregation.
I only beat the first two MGS games but I would say I prefer Deus Ex games stories way above them (note even Invisible War) simply becuase they don't' rely on noninteractive long cutscenes but at least have some kind of choice even if superficial of what the character will say. From what I remember MGS game's cutscenes dragged out a lot and i don't remember things like hearing random conversations or reading fictional newspaper articles that helped immerse one in Deus Ex's silly world.Cogwheel said:Well, the twin towers thing was a graphical limitation, actually. And yes, the story split you mentioned is quite incredible. I also liked how at the end,thenamelessloser said:
It's really hard not to agree with or at least feel sorry for the crazy omnicidal necromancer.
Whew, good. I'm used to people taking Deus Ex's story very straight and praising it as the best story ever. It's put together well, but wow, is it ever silly. Which I approve of, mind you. It's wonderfully absurd. I've often called it "the west's MGS", actually.Kahunaburger said:
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Agreed. Neither gets any publicity, and it's a real shame. I do try to recommend them frequently, though - especially TSE2, being free and all.Kahunaburger said:Haha and those last two are so underrated as RPGs! People don't know what they're missing
Note, Fallout 2's one of my most favorite games but the story is rather silly even video game wise at points. It a great roleplaying game when it comes to choices though.ChupathingyX said:
If you liked the first 2 Fallouts you should definitely try Arcanum. Arcanum wasn't quite as well designed as them gameplay wise but is similar but in fantasy Industrial revolution setting and has the same kind of nonlinearity of Fallout 2 and big huge but at the same a good story and great writing.
Mask of the Betrayer is probably their best work, as released.thenamelessloser said:
I'd say the Completion mod for KOTOR 2 tops it just so, but vanilla KOTOR 2 is beaten by Mask. It's pretty much a 20 hour long "We're sorry the OC wasn't that good, do you still wuv us :-X "
Yes Obsidian, yes I do.
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Forgot to add my own! My personal top choices for deepest stories have nearly all been listed, but one I actually replayed just last week hasn't been:
Soul Nomad and the World Eaters. Normally NIS makes solid but not terribly complex stories (Disgaea, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom..), but man they pulled out all the stops for Soul Nomad. There's like 5 "Would You Kindly's" and "You are Lord Re..." rolled into one. Plus some excellent side characters and party members, with a fascinating world to boot that doesn't fall into many of the usual NIS tropes.
Plenty of people's favorite games don't have very good/deep stories. Plus you've been a little cranky lately Zhukov, you need to turn that frown upside downZhukov said:
I have to admit Fallout 2's story was probably the worst out of those and there was waaaay too many humour and pop culture references, they really needed the Wild Wasteland traitthenamelessloser said:
However, Fallout 1 and NV do include all of those things I listed.
I've always wanted to try out Arcanum and also Planescape: Torment looks interesting.
Nah, I never said that MGS is better. In fact, I've not played much of MGS at all. Going by what I've heard, though, they do seem somewhat similar in the style of plot, if nothing else.thenamelessloser said:
By which I mean futuristic conspiracy theorist lunacy.
No, other game I can think of is as similar to the first two Fallout as Arcanum gameplay wise. I think Arcanum was made by the same people who made Fallout 1.ChupathingyX said:I have to admit Fallout 2's story was probably the worst out of those and there was waaaay too many humour and pop culture references, they really needed the Wild Wasteland traitthenamelessloser said:
However, Fallout 1 and NV do include all of those things I listed.
I've always wanted to try out Arcanum and also Planescape: Torment looks interesting.
Planescape: Torment is great but very different than the first 2 fallouts. Planescape: Torment is much more linear and much more text. Planescape: Torment is one of my favorite games but is a very different kind of experience.
Neverwinter Nights 2 main campaign has the problem of being too much filler and not enough plot. The story does eventually pick up and near the end it's actually pretty good, the problem is it feels like a decent 10 hour plot that's been stretched too thin just so the publishers could smack '30 hour campaign' or somesuch on the box. I'm sure you know what I mean.thenamelessloser said:
Regardless I know what you mean. NWN2's plot was sub-par for an Obsidian game. The ending is also a disappointment, though thankfully the ride leading up to it is pretty good near the end.
But no worries, Mask of the Betrayer is some of their best work in years. Extremely solid plot that's hard to say much about without spoiling anything, but it's good. Very Planescape-ish actually, if you've played and enjoyed that you'll probably love MotB. Gets very surreal at points and the music is all exotic and funky. I like it!
I liked Fallout 1 and 2 but that doesn't mean I reject all other games, Planescape: Torment looks interesting so I want to try it out, but I'll probably try out Arcanum first anyway which is what I planned to do.thenamelessloser said:
Plus I don't mind reading heaps of text, as long as it's interesting and story related I'll read it all. Fallout 1/2 was mostly reading people's dialogue for me anyway.
The OT question is a little vague and confusing, but I interpreted it as...
"What is a game that you feel has a deep/interesting story, and the story is the main reason that you love the game?"
...so, that's the question I'm going to answer.
First two that come to mind are Xenogears and Chrono Cross. Gameplay-wise, they are chock full of misteps. You get the sense that the creators were trying to go against the grain and "do something different," but defying genre gameplay conventions is only a good thing if the new things that replace the "tried and true" actually work. In these two games, there are many things in the gameaplay that are just BAD.
BUT, the stories are deep and twisted and left my mind feeling stretched and blown.
My last one would be Psychonauts. The story isn't particularly deep, but the scenarios are always interesting and almost always funny (and humor is rare in video games), and the ending is considerably touching.
"What is a game that you feel has a deep/interesting story, and the story is the main reason that you love the game?"
...so, that's the question I'm going to answer.
First two that come to mind are Xenogears and Chrono Cross. Gameplay-wise, they are chock full of misteps. You get the sense that the creators were trying to go against the grain and "do something different," but defying genre gameplay conventions is only a good thing if the new things that replace the "tried and true" actually work. In these two games, there are many things in the gameaplay that are just BAD.
BUT, the stories are deep and twisted and left my mind feeling stretched and blown.
My last one would be Psychonauts. The story isn't particularly deep, but the scenarios are always interesting and almost always funny (and humor is rare in video games), and the ending is considerably touching.
I didn't mean to say that. I just meant to say if you like the first two fallouts you will probably like Arcanum while Planescape: Torment is a bit more of an unknown quality. If you enjoy reading the dialgoue and making dialogue choices most from Fallout 1/2 though you will probably like Planescape: Torment. maybe even more so than Arcanum like how I like Planescape: Torment the most out of any RPG =)ChupathingyX said:
