Demonization of Moviebob and other Escapist Staff

[firebobm173]

Ah, I see the source of our misunderstanding. GamerGate did not cause us to change our forum guidelines, it caused us to change our writer guidelines. In other words, it isn't that bad behavior by gamers has caused us to crack down. Rather, the demand by our gamer audience for better ethical guideline for US was heard and acted upon. And the action cascaded across other sites that our parent company owns.

Thank for you explaining this to me. I admit that I didn't go through the rest of the chat and only found the post in a tweet claiming that it was meant as a passive aggressive insult, and I apologize for mistakenly accusing you of attack using backhanded praise to insult the people on the forums. I will also remove my link to the thread from my original post. While I personally do not believe that the escapist staff have done anything to merit a change in writer policy, I would appreciate it if you'd give me a link to the new rules so I can see the changes for myself.

 

[Billy the Squid]

What, the article written by Leigh Alexander? Hahahaha oh wow, that woman is right up there with the Holocaust deniers, a complete an utter loon, not a single word that comes out of that woman's mouth isn't twisted, I think at this point she's lost her grip on reality and is just pulling facts out her arse.

That woman has produced nothing but utter click bait trash, my God if you want to claim.... actually I just read the rest of your post, don't bother. "Rape happens there for all points are invalid" Pfffffffffffffffffft.

We'll just ignore the positive press, the crashing of TFYC, the links with Maya Kramer and silver string media (the PR company which pushes advertisements for Sarkeesian of which she's also a consultant for)that entire spiderweb is a complete cluster fuck of entanglements. And what do you get to "she slept with someone for positive reviews"

Haven't you noticed that no one gives a crap about Quinn or that she slept with 5 guys, while eating burgers and fries, it's you people who keep bringing it up as an issue. The only reason she's even mentioned is because she's linked to that train wreck of nepotism; you can't bring up Watergate without bringing up Nixon's involvement, you're trying to white wash everything, just like Polygon, Kotaku and the rest of those corrupt sods.

Frankly if she didn't keep being an attention seeker she wouldn't get half the flak she got in the first place.

Ok everyone before we continue this discussion I would like everyone to take a deep breath and read this [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html]. Now, if you have read it, you'll know that it discusses the ad hominem logical fallacy, which constitutes attacking the person making the argument instead of the argument itself. I've seen it used a great deal on these forums and I would like to see people criticizing the arguments of those who disagree with them rather than comparing them to holocaust deniers and saying that they are insane despite the fact that they are employed at prominent and respected web sites and are able to make coherent and reasonable arguments to support their opinions.

Did I attack him? please point out where, go on.

So far we've got my derision for Leigh Alexander, it's no secret that she bends facts or ignores things outright to fit whatever narrative she's driving, it's not even barely masked, that's why I likened her to those people, perhaps a bit much, but if he wanted some form of credibility he could at least pick an author which isn't buckets of crazy, there's more than one to chose from.

My criticism and mocking of him using her as a source when most of what she writes is lies of so biased it boggles the mind and criticising his use of rape as an excuse to ignore all of this via crass deflection.

Facts about the events which occurred.

Pointing out that he's bringing up Quinn's behavior and claiming everything revolves around that when she's only involved because she's linked with that entangled mess.

White washing, like other outlets and saying it's not a story because the source he uses says so.

So where exactly did I attack him? Oh and Alexander isn't employed at a prominent media outlet, she's a free lance writer. Don't let those pesky facts get in the way though.

 

[firebobm173]

Did I attack him? please point out where, go on.

So far we've got my derision for Leigh Alexander, it's no secret that she bends facts or ignores things outright to fit whatever narrative she's driving, it's not even barely masked, that's why I likened her to those people, perhaps a bit much, but if he wanted some form of credibility he could at least pick an author which isn't buckets of crazy, there's more than one to chose from.

My criticism and mocking of him using her as a source when most of what she writes is lies of so biased it boggles the mind and criticising his use of rape as an excuse to ignore all of this via crass deflection.

Facts about the events which occurred.

Pointing out that he's bringing up Quinn's behavior and claiming everything revolves around that when she's only involved because she's linked with that entangled mess.

White washing, like other outlets and saying it's not a story because the source he uses says so.

So where exactly did I attack him? Oh and Alexander isn't employed at a prominent media outlet, she's a free lance writer. Don't let those pesky facts get in the way though.

I was talking about Leigh Alexander, and while I admit that I was not aware that she was a freelance writer, it doesn't change the fact that her article was approved by an editor at Times Magazine, and I doubt that they would let anything remotely as crazed as what you claim her article to be posted on their site. As for your other criticisms, you claim that your attacks on her are self evidently true, and yet you have not shown a single link or given a single argument to support it. You can claim that she's absolutely batshit insane as many times as you like, but until you give me a real argument or present some sort of evidence I see no reason to believe your accusations.

 

[Billy the Squid]

Did I attack him? please point out where, go on.

So far we've got my derision for Leigh Alexander, it's no secret that she bends facts or ignores things outright to fit whatever narrative she's driving, it's not even barely masked, that's why I likened her to those people, perhaps a bit much, but if he wanted some form of credibility he could at least pick an author which isn't buckets of crazy, there's more than one to chose from.

My criticism and mocking of him using her as a source when most of what she writes is lies of so biased it boggles the mind and criticising his use of rape as an excuse to ignore all of this via crass deflection.

Facts about the events which occurred.

Pointing out that he's bringing up Quinn's behavior and claiming everything revolves around that when she's only involved because she's linked with that entangled mess.

White washing, like other outlets and saying it's not a story because the source he uses says so.

So where exactly did I attack him? Oh and Alexander isn't employed at a prominent media outlet, she's a free lance writer. Don't let those pesky facts get in the way though.

I was talking about Leigh Alexander, and while I admit that I was not aware that she was a freelance writer, it doesn't change the fact that her article was approved by an editor at Times Magazine, and I doubt that they would let anything remotely as crazed as what you claim her article to be posted on their site. As for your other criticisms, you claim that your attacks on her are self evidently true, and yet you have not shown a single link or given a single argument to support it. You can claim that she's absolutely batshit insane as many times as you like, but until you give me a real argument or present some sort of evidence I see no reason to believe your accusations.

Have you read her articles? They're utterly insane, none of the facts match up to what goes on, she comes out with bizarre conclusions based on nothing but hamster wheel logic. She's the best writer to list as a source if one wants to torpedo the credibility of their argument.

If you want to choose an article to dispute issues in Gamer Gate, there are significantly better ones to choose from, Erik Kain from Forbes springs to mind. If you want to be laughed out of a discussion because the article that was used believes in some male conspiracy to target just Quinn and it's all part of a misogynistic agenda, then use Alexander. Because clearly this entire debacle is white guys attacking women, right? We'll just ignore the other people voicing their concerns, IGF racketeering allegations, bitter disputes with publications, they're all part of some scheme by misogynistic men being misogynistic. If you want to subject your brain to torture by reading her articles, go ahead, once is enough for me.

And frankly adhomenim attacks are against the person I'm discussing things with, rather than engaging with the content of the argument. Discrediting the source upon which the article is based isn't, saying the author is a loon isn't adhomenim, unless I'm talking to Alexander herself, which I'm almost certain I'm not.

Yes, major publications vet their reports, it's not like the Guardian would fail to disclose the conflict of interest between a journalist who was funded by Maya Kramer, reporting on her and the various issues involved in this at the same time, that's just a recent one. How about the reporter at the NYT who was sacked for sleeping with a political aid. I hope, if these events showed you anything it's that these people play fast a loose with the rules.

 

[grassgremlin]

My first post in the escapist forums. Who would have thought it?

Okay, I've stayed relatively indifferent to this whole debacle. I've been trying to see points from both sides. I've heard some dumb things, mind you as well as some pretty well articulated explanations. But, I'll cut to the chase.

1) The nature of 4chan and the subsequent leaks of the IRC chat logs. My first reaction towards this was confusion.

Zoe stated that she infiltrated their chat in order to expose them for manipulation. On her twitter feed, it almost seemed like she was acting as a covert agent.

My first response this was "These guys are morons. They know she's their monitoring them and they're still talking about it?"

It took a moment, to put two and two together until I came up with a revelation, helped by individuals who actually frequent the site regularly. (Heads up, I am not a frequent visitor of 4chan, I can't really make heads or tails of the place, honestly.)

Anyways, one thing that many who believed the leaks failed to notice was that in no way was 4chan trying to hide the fact they were orchestrating these events. Quinn's secret agent thing, seemed unnecessary when you realize that literally anyone can go their and find most of this information on the first page. Gamergate as a movement wasn't something that was "secretly organized" and half this information she leaked was brought up to me when I was discussing the situation with these individuals.

In other words, all of this was old news. However, what I did notice was a certain level of sarcasm as if the individuals speaking in the chat just didn't care she was their and wanted to mess with her.

One thing I do know is that 4chan is figuratively a land of trolling. Due to it's anonymous air, people can shit post almost instantly with no real reason to.

2) Game Journalists are WAY more organized then 4chan.

One thing that seems to confuse me is the level of power many of those who are against GamerGate place on 4chan. I'd be bold to say, the fight would be heavily one-sided. I equate to a large army. If Game Journalists against Gamergate are hovering over tables, making strategies and calling their arrow men to line up and fire, then 4chan is a bunch of peasants running around with their weapons and some occasionally shoot their own.

I hate to to insult 4chan, but it's actually really pathetic as a legitimate well organized villain.
I've seen them compared to all kinds of people, like Hitler and I'm thinking, that doesn't really make much sense.

I remain neutral because I just don't care about any of this other then something positive being the outcome. I'll only really speak up or "pick a side" if it really effects me in some way.

But what little does effect me is how unusually misinformed this entire thing is on both sides. This comes from a guy who has read every article for and against GamerGate. It fascinates me.

Here's my conclusion. GamerGate is about as well run by 4chan as a car without gas or wheels or an engine. I mean, I'm glad this protest has at least a unified goal, but wow. It's so shabbily ran it's in a cluster.

Today I visited the board just because someone suggested I check it just to see what the whole fuss is about. What I found was one thread about Gamergate, which was 20% organization, 10% shilling and the rest was shit posting. Heck, it reminded me of this forum in how so many voices are shouting in such a disorganized fashion.

The rest of the site? Just random threads about how shit some members of 4chan are at fighting games and just random shit posting threads for the sake of shit posting.

My conclusion. People have completely overestimated 4chan's ability to control anything. Sure they can start something, but they're winging it most of the time.

That's my statement. I'll end by saying, I did pick a side. I agree with Jim Sterling . . .
Oh, and Moviebob . . . uh, I don't really care much for his opinion, honestly. I like when he talks about comics.

 

[grassgremlin]

it doesn't change the fact that her article was approved by an editor at Times Magazine,

Just gonna say something. Time Magazine isn't a video game publication. I don't think they ever cared enough about video games and I'm pretty sure one could publish literally anything about video games and be approved, provided it fit the time magazine criteria, ethics or whatever theme they have.

Most of mainstream outlets like that don't care to much about video games to be honest so they really do not care how negative you might be about video games. Not debunking anyone's word, just putting that up their through observation. I could be wrong, but I assume they will view games the same way most of mainstream media views them.

 

[kilenem]

He is not a mascot of anything but twitter drama. He is getting shit on twitter for saying intolerant things, especially about fat or disabled people.

What is wrong about talking about fat people. Disabled people you shouldn't talk about but I don't see the problem with talking about fat people. Heart Disease and diabetes is like the number one killer in the U.S people need to watch what they eat.

 

[firebobm173]

My first post in the escapist forums. Who would have thought it?

Okay, I've stayed relatively indifferent to this whole debacle. I've been trying to see points from both sides. I've heard some dumb things, mind you as well as some pretty well articulated explanations. But, I'll cut to the chase.

1) The nature of 4chan and the subsequent leaks of the IRC chat logs. My first reaction towards this was confusion.

Zoe stated that she infiltrated their chat in order to expose them for manipulation. On her twitter feed, it almost seemed like she was acting as a covert agent.

My first response this was "These guys are morons. They know she's their monitoring them and they're still talking about it?"

It took a moment, to put two and two together until I came up with a revelation, helped by individuals who actually frequent the site regularly. (Heads up, I am not a frequent visitor of 4chan, I can't really make heads or tails of the place, honestly.)

Anyways, one thing that many who believed the leaks failed to notice was that in no way was 4chan trying to hide the fact they were orchestrating these events. Quinn's secret agent thing, seemed unnecessary when you realize that literally anyone can go their and find most of this information on the first page. Gamergate as a movement wasn't something that was "secretly organized" and half this information she leaked was brought up to me when I was discussing the situation with these individuals.

In other words, all of this was old news. However, what I did notice was a certain level of sarcasm as if the individuals speaking in the chat just didn't care she was their and wanted to mess with her.

One thing I do know is that 4chan is figuratively a land of trolling. Due to it's anonymous air, people can shit post almost instantly with no real reason to.

2) Game Journalists are WAY more organized then 4chan.

One thing that seems to confuse me is the level of power many of those who are against GamerGate place on 4chan. I'd be bold to say, the fight would be heavily one-sided. I equate to a large army. If Game Journalists against Gamergate are hovering over tables, making strategies and calling their arrow men to line up and fire, then 4chan is a bunch of peasants running around with their weapons and some occasionally shoot their own.

I hate to to insult 4chan, but it's actually really pathetic as a legitimate well organized villain.
I've seen them compared to all kinds of people, like Hitler and I'm thinking, that doesn't really make much sense.

I remain neutral because I just don't care about any of this other then something positive being the outcome. I'll only really speak up or "pick a side" if it really effects me in some way.

But what little does effect me is how unusually misinformed this entire thing is on both sides. This comes from a guy who has read every article for and against GamerGate. It fascinates me.

Here's my conclusion. GamerGate is about as well run by 4chan as a car without gas or wheels or an engine. I mean, I'm glad this protest has at least a unified goal, but wow. It's so shabbily ran it's in a cluster.

Today I visited the board just because someone suggested I check it just to see what the whole fuss is about. What I found was one thread about Gamergate, which was 20% organization, 10% shilling and the rest was shit posting. Heck, it reminded me of this forum in how so many voices are shouting in such a disorganized fashion.

The rest of the site? Just random threads about how shit some members of 4chan are at fighting games and just random shit posting threads for the sake of shit posting.

My conclusion. People have completely overestimated 4chan's ability to control anything. Sure they can start something, but they're winging it most of the time.

That's my statement. I'll end by saying, I did pick a side. I agree with Jim Sterling . . .
Oh, and Moviebob . . . uh, I don't really care much for his opinion, honestly. I like when he talks about comics.

While I understand that it can seem like 4chan is incapable of causing something like this, they already [http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/4chan-end-fathers-day/] caused [http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/end-fathers-day-and-feminist-troll-accounts] another attack on "SJWs"using astroturfing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing] just a few months ago. As for them not hiding the logs, they only released them after zoe posted [https://storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate] some of them on twitter (Zoe says that she couldn't show the juiciest stuff because it's being used as evidence by the FBI), and seem to only have released them to try to make themselves look good. It should also be mention that they didn't know [https://twitter.com/MsMinotaur/status/508177920687210496] that she was in the thread. She's been sitting on this for three weeks, and intentionally waited to release it to maximize it's spread on social media.

 

[grassgremlin]

My first post in the escapist forums. Who would have thought it?

Okay, I've stayed relatively indifferent to this whole debacle. I've been trying to see points from both sides. I've heard some dumb things, mind you as well as some pretty well articulated explanations. But, I'll cut to the chase.

1) The nature of 4chan and the subsequent leaks of the IRC chat logs. My first reaction towards this was confusion.

Zoe stated that she infiltrated their chat in order to expose them for manipulation. On her twitter feed, it almost seemed like she was acting as a covert agent.

My first response this was "These guys are morons. They know she's their monitoring them and they're still talking about it?"

It took a moment, to put two and two together until I came up with a revelation, helped by individuals who actually frequent the site regularly. (Heads up, I am not a frequent visitor of 4chan, I can't really make heads or tails of the place, honestly.)

Anyways, one thing that many who believed the leaks failed to notice was that in no way was 4chan trying to hide the fact they were orchestrating these events. Quinn's secret agent thing, seemed unnecessary when you realize that literally anyone can go their and find most of this information on the first page. Gamergate as a movement wasn't something that was "secretly organized" and half this information she leaked was brought up to me when I was discussing the situation with these individuals.

In other words, all of this was old news. However, what I did notice was a certain level of sarcasm as if the individuals speaking in the chat just didn't care she was their and wanted to mess with her.

One thing I do know is that 4chan is figuratively a land of trolling. Due to it's anonymous air, people can shit post almost instantly with no real reason to.

2) Game Journalists are WAY more organized then 4chan.

One thing that seems to confuse me is the level of power many of those who are against GamerGate place on 4chan. I'd be bold to say, the fight would be heavily one-sided. I equate to a large army. If Game Journalists against Gamergate are hovering over tables, making strategies and calling their arrow men to line up and fire, then 4chan is a bunch of peasants running around with their weapons and some occasionally shoot their own.

I hate to to insult 4chan, but it's actually really pathetic as a legitimate well organized villain.
I've seen them compared to all kinds of people, like Hitler and I'm thinking, that doesn't really make much sense.

I remain neutral because I just don't care about any of this other then something positive being the outcome. I'll only really speak up or "pick a side" if it really effects me in some way.

But what little does effect me is how unusually misinformed this entire thing is on both sides. This comes from a guy who has read every article for and against GamerGate. It fascinates me.

Here's my conclusion. GamerGate is about as well run by 4chan as a car without gas or wheels or an engine. I mean, I'm glad this protest has at least a unified goal, but wow. It's so shabbily ran it's in a cluster.

Today I visited the board just because someone suggested I check it just to see what the whole fuss is about. What I found was one thread about Gamergate, which was 20% organization, 10% shilling and the rest was shit posting. Heck, it reminded me of this forum in how so many voices are shouting in such a disorganized fashion.

The rest of the site? Just random threads about how shit some members of 4chan are at fighting games and just random shit posting threads for the sake of shit posting.

My conclusion. People have completely overestimated 4chan's ability to control anything. Sure they can start something, but they're winging it most of the time.

That's my statement. I'll end by saying, I did pick a side. I agree with Jim Sterling . . .
Oh, and Moviebob . . . uh, I don't really care much for his opinion, honestly. I like when he talks about comics.

While I understand that it can seem like 4chan is incapable of causing something like this, they already [http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/4chan-end-fathers-day/] caused [http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/end-fathers-day-and-feminist-troll-accounts] another attack on "SJWs"using astroturfing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing] just a few months ago. As for them not hiding the logs, they only released them after zoe posted some of them on twitter (Zoe says that she couldn't show the juiciest stuff because it's being used as evidence by the FBI), and seem to only have released them to try to make themselves look good.

The problem with that is why would they have released them before zoe quinn posted them. They only noticed she posted them after they were posted on twitter. I also like to say, due to the anonymity of 4chan what makes you think the people that released the logs were the same people that posted them. From the persons that was interviewed they referred to the ones discussing it as if they were someone else. I could be wrong on that, but that's how it seemed to me.

I also like to add that what would they have to gain to making themselves look good. I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter if they released the logs before Zoe Quinn, they'd still be seen as the villains in some form. Not like 4chan could redeem itself even if it tried. In fact, so far it seemed it doesn't matter sense it looks like they failed in making them seem less "evil.". I'm just saying, 4chan is pretty stigmatized. It needs something short of a holy purification to make it be in the least bit trustworthy.

And, I'm gonna assume most people don't trust 4chan as far as they can throw them so it doesn't really matter what they say, honestly.

 

[Pinkamena]

What the hell is gamergate?

 

[firebobm173]

The problem with that is why would they have released them before zoe quinn posted them. They only noticed she posted them after they were posted on twitter. I also like to say, due to the anonymity of 4chan what makes you think the people that released the logs were the same people that posted them. From the persons that was interviewed they referred to the ones discussing it as if they were someone else. I could be wrong on that, but that's how it seemed to me.

While I agree with most of your post, I should mention that only released their logs after she posted this on twitter.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

Hey remember when Ryan Perez got drunk and said something mean about one person on Twitter, publically apologized and got fired anyway?

Then at the start of all this MovieBob, in full control of his faculties, called HIS ENTIRE AUDIENCE insects and neckbearded idiots and forced The Escapist to close its twitter feed no one asked him to publicly apologize and he faced no consequences at all?

Oh man, those were some good times.

 

[firebobm173]

What the hell is gamergate?

This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/12173-Comparing-Film-Journalism-and-Games-Journalism] is [http://www.themarysue.com/gamergate-harms-women] gamergate [http://www.themarysue.com/gamergate-chat-logs/].

 

[Pinkamena]

What the hell is gamergate?

This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/12173-Comparing-Film-Journalism-and-Games-Journalism] is [http://www.themarysue.com/gamergate-harms-women] gamergate [http://www.themarysue.com/gamergate-chat-logs/].

I don't get why this is such a big deal. If people just stayed out of this bickering, it would surely die out?

 

[firebobm173]

What the hell is gamergate?

This [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/12173-Comparing-Film-Journalism-and-Games-Journalism] is [http://www.themarysue.com/gamergate-harms-women] gamergate [http://www.themarysue.com/gamergate-chat-logs/].

I don't get why this is such a big deal. If people just stayed out of this bickering, it would surely die out?

Well that's true, but it could also be said of any conflict. As for why people are bickering, some people believe that #gamergate represents a legitimate protest against corruption in the games industry, while other people believe that it is an attack on women and indie developers in gaming, as well as anyone labeled a "Social Justice Warrior", so all of this touches on many, many hot button issues.

 

[grassgremlin]

The problem with that is why would they have released them before zoe quinn posted them. They only noticed she posted them after they were posted on twitter. I also like to say, due to the anonymity of 4chan what makes you think the people that released the logs were the same people that posted them. From the persons that was interviewed they referred to the ones discussing it as if they were someone else. I could be wrong on that, but that's how it seemed to me.

While I agree with most of your post, I should mention that only released their logs after she posted this on twitter.

Give or take, but that doesn't really answer what it is they gain from it. I kind of look at the whole sock puppet and manipulation part and see holes.

For example, the main reason why they stress to not focus on Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian was because the news outlets kept focusing on them. One thing I noticed the first few days was that people against GamerGate were name dropping them more then the people for it. Many people say Gamergate branched off of Zoe Quinn, which is true in as it was related to Zoe Quinn, but now it seems like they are trying to cut off her, which doesn't seem like a bad thing, is it?

I see a lot of people mocking them for it, but I thought that was the point. Kind of like, it's not important anymore, let's stop bothering her. Unless they have a never forgive or forget mentality, then it just becoming counter harassment, kicking someone while they're down.

I don't want to defend harassment. I think these people don't deserve any of it, but part of me feels like if you're done with a issue you end it. I still haven't heard the FBI report. The odd question their is what's the FBI going to actually do? Shut down 4chan? Arrest everyone who's ever been on 4chan, I mean the place is anonymous.

The problem is, I hear that the FBI is investigating this but that's all I hear. No reports, no discussions, FBI asking questions. Is it confidential? Not like 4chan doesn't know the FBI is on them anyways.

All of it seems like kerfluffle when the greatest thing people could have ever done was ignore it.
Sense I'm being one-sided here, for those for GamerGate, they could have just, I dunno, make a new competing website? That's stuff pretty easy. If you can organize a hashtag protest, you can also organize that sort of thing.

Then again, if it helps something, it helps something.
Sometimes I'm seeing this, and their are really simple logical ways, common sense that can be exercised, but all the internet serves is a place to whine about shit. My outcome, I'm glad some sites just looked at this and actually did something to show they don't lack integrity and moved on.

So much easier to complain about games these days and yet no one is actually playing any games.

 

[Quadocky]

I find it terribly ironic that moviebob is usually 100% correct on any subject yet there are people out there who still say "Well I disagree!" Well Fuck, what will it take for you to get out of your own shell for a minute and realize that maybe your own worldview is entirely fucked up and incorrect on multiple levels?

Moviebob is so god damn smart and professional its a fucking WONDER he even bothers to make videos for such an ungrateful group who don't even take in anything he says but would rather say "NUH UH, DIDN'T HAPPEN!"

 

[Alarien]

I find it terribly ironic that moviebob is usually 100% correct on any subject yet there are people out there who still say "Well I disagree!" Well Fuck, what will it take for you to get out of your own shell for a minute and realize that maybe your own worldview is entirely fucked up and incorrect on multiple levels?

Moviebob is so god damn smart and professional its a fucking WONDER he even bothers to make videos for such an ungrateful group who don't even take in anything he says but would rather say "NUH UH, DIDN'T HAPPEN!"

Okay then.

Clearly you do not follow MovieBob on Twitter.

I'm sorta waiting on the Big Picture for today. I enjoy his content. I disagree with some of it. I think the Wonder Woman 90's jacket was fine. I don't personally hate JJ Abrams. I also agree with a lot of his social commentary.

However, Bob has been utterly outrageous over the past few weeks on Twitter. Vitriolic to the point where The Escapist has had to admit that it's contributors are being "vitriolic." That is very much the opposite of being professional. It is also the opposite of being smart. While I think Bob is very intelligent, he quite clearly lacks common sense in the now, meaning he makes poor judgements when acting without thought.

I do not want to see Bob fired. I do not want to see Bob censured. I want Bob to read his Twitter history and be personally embarrassed to the point that he grows up and starts acting like an adult. Many, many personally accountable figures on the internet have to go through this at some point, or they lose their relevance. Famously TotalBiscuit has gone through it and issued multiple public statements and condemnations of his own past lack of self-moderation. I myself went through it in my mid-20's; years ago on the VN (now IGN) Boards for Dark Age of Camelot. I was a hell of a board warrior in both the DAOC and Politics forums. I realized, however, eventually, that even if I was right, a lot of the argument eventually reflects poorly on all parties. Who is right and who is wrong doesn't really matter when everyone ends up covered in flung poo.

I want Bob to hit that point. I think he's an interesting guy with good intentions who I would personally enjoy having a conversation with. However, from a maturity standpoint, he's still acting the mid-20s board warrior, desperate to be "RIGHT!" at all costs, stifling dialogue with quips, insults, and sound bites.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I think it's all a bit stupid. These people are critics, they're here to provide their opinions on matters (outside of news pieces of course, where I'd prefer them to try and be balanced) and it only follows that they're going to hold strong opinions on things that they care about. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they should be fired.

To be frank, I just don't give a shit about anything that goes on on Twitter and I don't see any of this mess as particularly important. People, as with pretty much everything that goes wrong in the world, just need to calm the fuck down.

 

[ForumSafari]

I find it terribly ironic that moviebob is usually 100% correct on any subject yet there are people out there who still say "Well I disagree!" Well Fuck, what will it take for you to get out of your own shell for a minute and realize that maybe your own worldview is entirely fucked up and incorrect on multiple levels?

Moviebob is so god damn smart and professional its a fucking WONDER he even bothers to make videos for such an ungrateful group who don't even take in anything he says but would rather say "NUH UH, DIDN'T HAPPEN!"

Bob changes his mind frequently, hell watch some of his earlier game Overthinker videos and compare them to his current views and quite frequently they'll have almost the opposite viewpoint (NOTE: I am not saying he's hypocritical. Changing your mind is not hypocrisy. I'm saying he can and has been wrong.) Bob can't be usually 100% right if he has two different opinions, he was wrong about one of them no?

Either that or that was some incredible sarcasm, it's hard to tell.