Denuvo has been cracked

[Something Amyss]

I've always found it funny how people against DRM defend steam. Without realising it has been DRM before DRM was even DRM.

People will defend anyone who gives them 75% of overpriced games. Except EA, because people also have grudges. But DRM was DRM before Steam.

 

[Haerthan]

Ah finally another corpse to add to the growing pile of DRM corpses. With this pile we shall march upon the publishers and dump them in their offices, in their homes and in their meetings. Finally we shall be heard, the gaming community shall scream at the top of its lungs :NO MORE DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Except Steam of course

 

[Ambient_Malice]

Steam is a distribution platform. Steam supports DRM, but Steam is not in and of itself DRM.

Actually it is, since games purchased through Steam have to be either downloaded or validated (for disc based games) through the platform, that's your DRM. That's even how it was launched, Half Life 2 mostly on the disc, CS:Source and the validation files on Steam.

Of course most other publishers forget that to launch something like Steam you first need a Half Life 2.

Not entirely correct. Some Steam games can be played without Steam. (Remember Skyrim at launch?) It's entirely up to the developer whether Steam's DRM is used.

 

[Rozalia1]

Well its done its job and that is all I'll say on it. I know the road this goes down for some people (already see some already) and I've argued over dozens of pages on the "poor me, I pirate games to survive as I'm like those starving kids in Africa" excuses peddled.

Anyway now that is out of the way, the answer on whenever it did have an effect on performance is something that will be worth hearing about when someone finds out. Heard conflicting reports on if it does or not but someone will be able to confirm it all soon.

Ah finally another corpse to add to the growing pile of DRM corpses. With this pile we shall march upon the publishers and dump them in their offices, in their homes and in their meetings. Finally we shall be heard, the gaming community shall scream at the top of its lungs :NO MORE DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Except Steam of course

Please tell me that was an intended joke because if not... how are you missing it? You can't make a overly dramatic statement which I'm sure you fully believe in...and than chime in at the end what you have... it blasts your credibility to all hell if you are seriously saying all that.

 

[Haerthan]

Well its done its job and that is all I'll say on it. I know the road this goes down for some people (already see some already) and I've argued over dozens of pages on the "poor me, I pirate games to survive as I'm like those starving kids in Africa" excuses peddled.

Anyway now that is out of the way, the answer on whenever it did have an effect on performance is something that will be worth hearing about when someone finds out. Heard conflicting reports on if it does or not but someone will be able to confirm it all soon.

Ah finally another corpse to add to the growing pile of DRM corpses. With this pile we shall march upon the publishers and dump them in their offices, in their homes and in their meetings. Finally we shall be heard, the gaming community shall scream at the top of its lungs :NO MORE DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Except Steam of course

Please tell me that was an intended joke because if not... how are you missing it? You can't make a overly dramatic statement which I'm sure you fully believe in...and than chime in at the end what you have... it blasts your credibility to all hell if you are seriously saying all that.

Why dost thou not see that I am trolling. Yes I hate DRM in general, but I like Steam. If Steam dissapeared overnight with patches for all my games, I wouldnt cry for it. I'd mourn it for a day cause I lost a way to connect with friends. That's it. Otherwise for all I care Steam can go die. The reason i like Steam is because its the best implementation of a DRM. I can be offline all the time and still play ALL of my games, except the Uplay ones that I deleted anyways. Cause fuck Uplay

 

[Adultratedhydra]

It doesn't sound like much, but this DID matter in terms of sales.

Sales were un-affected. Dragon age sold about the same if less than previous, Fifa 15 is fifa 15 and lords of the Fallen sold under expectations.

Piracy =/= lost sale.

Most who pirate games/movies and enjoy them will buy them.

If you pirate something and dont like it? You were never going to buy it in the first place Therefore your money was never going anywhere.

 

[Tayh]

Ah finally another corpse to add to the growing pile of DRM corpses. With this pile we shall march upon the publishers and dump them in their offices, in their homes and in their meetings. Finally we shall be heard, the gaming community shall scream at the top of its lungs :NO MORE DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Except Steam of course

This post.
The biggest hypocrisy ever.
Because steam drm adds SO much valuable and isn't ever cracked in the two days between NA and EU game launches.

 

[Adultratedhydra]

Ah finally another corpse to add to the growing pile of DRM corpses. With this pile we shall march upon the publishers and dump them in their offices, in their homes and in their meetings. Finally we shall be heard, the gaming community shall scream at the top of its lungs :NO MORE DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Except Steam of course

This post.
The biggest hypocrisy ever.
Because steam drm adds SO much valuable and isn't ever cracked in the two days between NA and EU game launches.

Surely the "Edit" portion of that shows its satire yes? the subsequent post also says as much.

 

[Tayh]

Surely the "Edit" portion of that shows its satire yes? the subsequent post also says as much.

It's not satire when he actually mean what he's writing.

 

[Haerthan]

Ah finally another corpse to add to the growing pile of DRM corpses. With this pile we shall march upon the publishers and dump them in their offices, in their homes and in their meetings. Finally we shall be heard, the gaming community shall scream at the top of its lungs :NO MORE DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Except Steam of course

This post.
The biggest hypocrisy ever.
Because steam drm adds SO much valuable and isn't ever cracked in the two days between NA and EU game launches.

I am the King of Cookies. I AM ALLOWED TO BE HYPOCRITICAL thou knave. Thou also seem unable to comprehend the intent of my declarations. I sentence thee to 30 days of sarcasm and trolling training. Thou shalt be Zhukov's squire.

 

[Hawkeye 131]

As far as I'm aware of Denuvo is not actually in Dragon Age: Inquisition, Fifa 15 and Lords of the Fallen are the only two titles I'm aware of that have it. Keep in mind that the rumors about it's inclusion in DA: Inquisition came from the same source that said it would be in the PC version of GTAV (which is also false).

-Hawk

 

[megaflash]

Also, ironically, Game Dev Tycoon.

I heard about this, and I found it quite clever. Very creative way to take care of a problem that might actually affect their sales, since they are an indie developer. I'd like to see more examples like this, where anti-piracy measures where more about screwing the pirates than the regular players. Also, it was my understanding that Green Heart Games released the 'pirated' version themselves.

OT: Well, another bites the dust, wonder what the official response will be.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's also provably an exercise in futility since people will spend time trying to crack it until it's unlocked, which gives your product a few weeks/months of controlled distribution if it's really good DRM.

However, perhaps that's all the publishers really want since all but the biggest game launches tend to cycle out of public interest within that time and DLC sales drop significantly after this period (not including GOTY editions).

But this is their entire point. And I know the next line talks about saddling consumers with it, but I think it's pretty obvious these companies don't really give a shit about the end user. It buys them a week or two, maybe a month or two, of their most crucial sales, and whether or not they can prove these people would pirate the game otherwise, they don't care.

Not that I'm defending the practice, of course. I'm not going to buy a game with Denuvo on it anyway.

Yeah I have no doubt that the rumor of causing one's hard drive to process so much data it would cause physical scratching or whatever it was is overblown, but that doesn't mean it did not affect game performance or stability.

I thought the issue was that it was causing thousands of read/write cycles and that this could wear out SSDs pretty fast. I mean, this isn't as big a deal for more recent SSDs, but it's still problematic.

Also, ironically, Game Dev Tycoon.

Ironic because it's about game development or ironic because it appears to be a clone of a mobile app?

Sales were un-affected. Dragon age sold about the same if less than previous, Fifa 15 is fifa 15 and lords of the Fallen sold under expectations.

You can't really demonstrate that had anything to do with piracy. A lot of major franchises are trending down with or without Denuvo. You can't really prove they were unaffected any more than Ubisoft can prove the claim that they were.

Captcha: ice to meet you. Oh god, here come the puns.

 

[teh_Canape]

maybe with this there will be a third party save editor with which I can imoprt my world state to DA3, considering that ever since release I haven't been able to connect to the servers and import my worldstate, forcing me to play with the shitty default one

 

[Morgoth780]

Also, ironically, Game Dev Tycoon.

Ironic because it's about game development or ironic because it appears to be a clone of a mobile app?

Ironic because in pirated copies, the player's development business would inevitably go out of business due to rampant piracy rates.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

I count Steam as DRM. A lot of games won't let you play unless you load up Steam first. Even it's (laughably) "offline" mode first requires you to sign in. A few years back, Sony had a neat idea for DRM that they used, it was a rootkit virus. That worked out well.

 

[Ark of the Covetor]

Also, ironically, Game Dev Tycoon.

I heard about this, and I found it quite clever. Very creative way to take care of a problem that might actually affect their sales, since they are an indie developer. I'd like to see more examples like this, where anti-piracy measures where more about screwing the pirates than the regular players. Also, it was my understanding that Green Heart Games released the 'pirated' version themselves.

OT: Well, another bites the dust, wonder what the official response will be.

That might give the developer a warm feeling inside, but it's still counterproductive. Lots of pirates are or later become customers - if 10 people pirate a game and two go on to buy the sequels/future products from the same devs, is that not better than 10 people pirating the game and all getting pissed off by the equivalent of the Immortal Scorpion and never buying anything?

This is what the industry has to grasp; you can believe piracy is wrong, you can believe it's more evil than a thousand thousand Hitlers, but if your goal is to make money selling your product you have to recognise there's been a paradigm shift and adapt. Pissing off legitimate consumers with intrusive DRM isn't going to help you; OK so Denuvo managed to prevent some unquantified portion of piracy of three game titles for a couple of weeks to a couple of months, but now there's a way around it, so what good does that do for the dozens of other games that will come out before the "next big thing" in DRM comes along? The same thing happened with StarForce, and SecuROM before it; a handful of games saw some unquantified benefit, then they were beaten, the pirates got back to downloading games on day of release, and with each cycle another batch of paying consumers are angered to the point they stop buying your companies games or become pirates themselves.

Piracy is a thing, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, so really companies have two choices; suck it up and focus on providing a great product and/or service to position yourself to scoop up sales from those pirates who do end up buying stuff, or keep refusing to acknowledge reality and responding with draconian or petty anti-piracy measures that in the end only drive potential and legit customers away. And if that makes developers angry, sorry, but tough; take a lesson from ground-level retail employees - if you want to get paid, you have to hold your nose and deal with the arseholes and smartarses to the same level as you deal with the ideal model customer.

 

[ObserverStatus]

Looking forward to hearing how well the cracked version runs, the locked version on my PC won't stop crashing every hour or so. Bit annoying.