Detractors of Final Fantasy VII: Thank You

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NeoShinGundam

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Well, SquarEnix DID just admit that they've failed time, and time again at surpassing it:
http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-vii-will-be-remade-when-ffvii-is-bested-230144.phtml
 

neonsword13-ops

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Why not play Persona 4?

I hear it's a lot better than any other FF game. :3

*wink* *wink* *nudge*

And it has much better music in my opinion.
 

Sewa_Yunga

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TheRocketeer said:
To everyone still posting about their dislike of Final Fantasy VII: You've won.

Fifteen years. Wow, that's a long time. In fact, I never would have guessed all those years ago, but it's finally happened: everyone, everywhere, fan or critic, is sick to death of every last word spoken about the landmark Square Co. release, Final Fantasy VII. To everyone still nonchalantly mentioning how they never cared for it, I, though I bear no official designation and have no real authority with which to do so, have declared this conflict over. You have won, decisively, and I extend my most earnest thanks.

I honestly don't know how the game managed to garner this kind of attention. With almost every game released, popular or unpopular, divisive or inoffensive, the reaction is always predictable: the people that disliked it will voice their displeasure for a time, and then life happens. Other games come along, some of which they may even enjoy. Time passes. Usually less than fifteen frickin' years. The people that enjoyed it will talk about it for awhile, and then the same fading occurs. Years later, some of them will say, "Remember that thing we liked? We liked that thing. Aaaahh." And then? Silence. This is the normal reaction. But you have defied this pattern magnificently.

As time wore on, it seemed like discussion of FFVII just never wound down. Oh, it faded, sure, but it was always- and still is- around the fringes. This isn't unheard of; plenty of great games remain talked about more than a decade after everyone normal has packed up and moved on, but in all of these cases it's by people who enjoyed the games, and then only for games of legendary quality. But I honestly can't remember the last time anyone brought up Final Fantasy VII for any reason other than to make snide, petty comments about how its best attempts couldn't impress them, a fact so many remain so proud of even fifteen years later- and, I really can't stress enough, fifteen years is a damned eternity in videogame years.

This puzzled and even angered me at first. After I got out of... really? Elementary school? Jesus, that was a long time ago... Anyway, after I got older and began to make a productive and well-adjusted person of myself (what with finishing school and starting a career, I hardly even have the time to play video games anymore), I just couldn't fathom how so many would remain so persistently and vocally indifferent about something ultimately not worth making a big deal over; it just seemed obsessive and pointless to me at the time. But now, I ask myself, have I ever felt as strongly as these people must? Is there any single project in my life that I have voluntarily devoted a decade and a half to? And I must admit that this is a devotion I lack.

You were up against a lot. Final Fantasy VII was a title that, to my memory (which might be unreliable since this was like, seriously, a long damn time ago) was loved by practically everyone on release and has received numerous awards and consistently graced innumerable "Best Ever" lists ever since. The fans- myself included- were an enthusiastic and vocal bunch. I admit, the very mention of the title once brought me genuine pleasure. It must have been sickening to you people- or I'd think so if you hadn't all taken almost three fourths of my lifespan to assert that you really don't care all that much. But those days are all long gone. Thanks, really; it's touching. I still remember the day all affection for that game was finally suffocated out of me, because, rather than involve myself in a purposeless and redundant discussion of the game, I just said, "It's been a decade. It's time to let go." Yes, a decade- because that point was five years ago.

After that, the universally unwanted specter of people who really must have been powerfully unimpressed by FFVII seemed even more petty and superfluous; I mean, ten years had passed. All interest was dead by this point. Nothing remained of the game's legacy but a group of people who must have been way, way too cool for Nineteen-frickin'-Ninety Seven's room, with everyone physically sick of them and none but the most token counterarguments being offered in exchange. And that was when the real beauty of the whole campaign struck me: you weren't just going to rob us of something we had enjoyed. You were going to keep going, and going, not merely eliminating any scrap of fondness but replacing it with reflexive revulsion ingrained by the ceaseless, thudding, completely fucking unnecessary repetition of Clinton-era JRPG hipsters. Done, and done. Thanks.

Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the help you had along the way. Square-Enix themselves really outdid themselves in crushing out any remaining goodwill the fanbase might have still felt, but kept hidden. A bold move, to be sure, but this was an invaluable step; the most essential portion of quelling people's enthusiasm is in wrenching away that last, desperate, nigh-invincible kernel. But man, I have to admit, S-E came through with a masterful one-two punch: the ecstatic reveal of everything my nine-year old self could have wanted out of life a decade after anyone gave half a shit, and then the deliverance of it all exactly as my nine-year old self would have made it. That's the personal touch that can really hollow someone out.

But at that point, they were really just cheering on the work you shouldered. This was a true grassroots movement, and that's always inspiring to see. Fifteen fucking years of smug, nagging gripes about something that everyone else had tired of, sucking the nostalgia out of decent people for no God-damned reason whatsoever. You have successfully abolished and converted into malice every inkling of positive sentiment that your chosen foe ever held about something totally not worth even a tenth of the effort, and even though everything I know about the Internet and forums in particular has taught me that this is the higher purpose off all online communication, this may well be the only time I've ever seen anyone pull it off.

*slow clap*

So believe me when I say that this is the last I ever hope to hear or say about Final Fantasy VII, and if I ever, ever have to speak another word about it- if the world's most indifferent, unbiased individual asked me about it only out of sheer ignorance, if my grandchildren want to know what entertainment was like before sex droids, if, as a creaking, ancient husk of a man, I am asked to relate all that I can about the Old World because all pre-crisis knowledge is the most treasured gift our dying race could possess, it will be too soon. You did that for me. Thank you. Now let's all get on with our lives.
I didn't know what to make of this post until I noticed his post count. Now I just can't take it serious anymore. This might even be his way of saying "Finally, a FF7 remake!"

So I'd just like to say:

Dear Rocketeer,
congratulations on your 700th post.
 

dreadedcandiru99

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FalloutJack said:
I'm sorry, but does...anybody know what he's going on about? I detect gratuitous amounts of snark, too much to consider just what direction his sarcasm is actually taking. I think there may also be some misinformation in there IF he's implying what I think he's actually implying...but I won't know because there's nothing straightforward here at all.

In Short: WTF, mate?
I think it's something along the lines of "grr, people don't like something I like." Also, bolding words is awesome.

But I'm not exactly sure, because tl;dr.
 
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bafrali said:
Just shut up and be glad there are not threads being made specificly for bashing it every week.

Also what is the problem? Internet has some jerks in it? Whoop-de-fucking-doo. It is not worth writing a wall of text about it.
I've kind of got to just say...go with this ^

People will hold onto their hate/love of anything. This isn't really new or shocking in the slightest. Just ignore it, move on and enjoy what you enjoy. It's pretty basic when you look at it that way.

As others have already said, it's the internet...what did you expect?
 

Johnny Impact

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Somebody had extra urine on his Angry-O's this morning.....

I liked FF7. I will be the first to say it did NOT age well -- I picked it up on PSN not that long ago and cringed, literally cringed, at the visuals -- but back in the day it was my favorite game for quite some time.

I'm not really sure who you're mad at here. I haven't noticed any phenomenon like you describe.
 

cswurt

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OT:
FFVII is good. Don't make a big deal over nothing.
If you're seeing FFVII everywhere, it's cuz you can't get it out of your own head.
FFVII is not everywhere.
 

lunavixen

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FFVII was a good game, overhyped but still good, the story was solid, the characters well written and there were a few genuinely good lines, I still play it on occasion.
 

Deem-4

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I really lost track of what you're trying to say/achieve with this... I do feel like firing up the FFVII download on my PS3 though.
 

Verzin

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I guess. I'll probably buy the PC version when it comes out. not sure what you're trying to say except that you don't like people who sing the praises of a 15 year old game.

to be honest, I don't why the whole thing bothers you so much. Why should you care?

It was probably a good game...
 

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xPixelatedx said:
TheRocketeer said:
People were upset that the series derailed so drastically from what it was before and became.. well, FF7. Had I been a fan of Final Fantasy before the PS1 era, I too might have felt that pure, endless and timeless rage that doesn't diminish. I am sure to those fans FF7 was a giant message from Square saying: "Hey guys, we know what you like and how much it has touched your lives. But screw you we are aiming at a different audience now. K, thnx bye!" I have felt that many times before, I am sure I am going to feel it when Michael Bay releases his TMNT ra.... err, reboot. FF fans have my condolences.
Not really. If anything, that would be FFX. FFVI and VII together were the begginning of the end of the old style Final Fantasy games, but the change wasn't really complete until FFX. In fact, FFVII had a /lot/ in common with FFVI, as the following image shows:

 

Owyn_Merrilin

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Buretsu said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
xPixelatedx said:
TheRocketeer said:
People were upset that the series derailed so drastically from what it was before and became.. well, FF7. Had I been a fan of Final Fantasy before the PS1 era, I too might have felt that pure, endless and timeless rage that doesn't diminish. I am sure to those fans FF7 was a giant message from Square saying: "Hey guys, we know what you like and how much it has touched your lives. But screw you we are aiming at a different audience now. K, thnx bye!" I have felt that many times before, I am sure I am going to feel it when Michael Bay releases his TMNT ra.... err, reboot. FF fans have my condolences.
Not really. If anything, that would be FFX. FFVI and VII together were the begginning of the end of the old style Final Fantasy games, but the change wasn't really complete until FFX. In fact, FFVII had a /lot/ in common with FFVI, as the following image shows:

That looks like it was a lot of hard work to oversimplify the plot of FFVI. I congratulate whoever made that for such a retarded effort they put in.
They oversimplified the plot of FFVII, too, leaving out absolutely everything about Jenova, the life stream, and the Ancients. Which is weird, because I'm pretty sure they could have conflated the Espers and the Ancients if they had wanted to. Also, while I never played much of FFVI, the similarities in the parts that I played (up to that boss fight on the river against that octopus, where I got stuck) were striking.
 
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Hazy992 said:
The only time I've seen comments like that is when someone makes a thread or something and someone says 'meh I didn't really care for it myself' or 'I think it's overrated'.

It's not as if people are constantly making threads just bashing FFVII or anything. At least I haven't seen them
Well not anymore and people do tend to make a big deal about not liking FF VII or Half Life in threads even remotely related to them.
 

anthony87

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Oh? You don't like people talking about it?


Besides, of course people are going to be talking about it right now. Have you seen any of the news in the past couple of weeks about rumors of a PC re-release? Or the news yesterday about the actual PC re-release?

Oh no! People are talking about something that's been in the news recently! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!
 

Suicidejim

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Am I the only person who, when faced with a wall of text that is bolded in specific spots, becomes incapable of reading the whole thing and just reads the bolded sections in a really shouty voice?

Anyway, was one of my favourite games, played through it again the other month, still love it, would like a PS3 remake, still happy to move on and play other stuff, don't care strongly about people who are indifferent to it. There's my entire opinion on FF7 summed up.
 

Atmos Duality

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Is there any point besides "Thank God we can stop talking about FF7"?
A topic that has in fact, started more discussion about FF7...

For such a long, ranting post, it seems to be about absolutely nothing.