Velventian said:
I didn`t put any link in the thread at the start because of that reason but people wanted to know what it was about so i added them to clarify the situation. Sure i couold have screencaped them and put them up on imgur or somewhere like that.
And people were already talking about that guy and posting links about him in the zoe mega thread so don´t act like i was the first to bring him up. I had hoped to take some of the bile out of that thread so the discussion would remain calm.
Still missing the point. Discussing him promotes him. You are discussing him right now. The longer this thread goes on, the more you promote him. You've basically lost just by playing.
Zachary Amaranth said:
Maybe that´s were a lot of the iffy-ness stems from because in a lot of peoples mind here anyone who takes offense to such tweets automatically has to be one of those who harassed someone online or did something like that.
Remember that sentence for a minute. I'll get back there.
But for me its the opposite, as someone who doesn`t harass people and even tries his best not to insult people online this feel like being punished despite having done the right thing all this time. And when people are generalized into the term gamer he throws me into the same bucket as those who commit harassment and taints the term gamer in general.
Except you have no reason to infer such things. Not only did the posts before the ones you quote mine serve to be more specific, but you even posted him saying things like #notallgamers. And yes, you can talk about a group without talking about every member of the group.
It looks like you're looking for a reason to be offended. As such, it's a good thing you're on the side you are, otherwise more people would be telling you to grow thicker skin or that you were just looking to be offended. Thankfully, you're insulated by being on the side people are okay with being thin skinned and looking for such reasons to take offense.
Funny how you seem do drag zoe back in this when in the same paragraph complaining about those still focused on her...
Not particularly funny, as she's related to the specific topic here. You can't even argue hypocrisy because I'm not arguing this is about journalistic integrity.
But seriously, complaining about a guy where your own evidence includes her name and then saying it's "funny" she got brought up? Are you for real?
Besides condeming those who harass people what are we/i supposed to do about? How are we supposed to stop them?
You're not condemning them. You're not having a constructive discussion. You're complaining that someone hurt your feelings. You're condemning Faraci. How many of your posts have you dedicated to that? How many to complaining about Zoe? How many have you dedicated to condemning gamers? The last one is by far the smallest, and given my limited search on your post history I'm guessing the number is 0.
Actually taking a stand would be doing more than you're doing now. Right now, you've spent more time rationalising their behaviour.
Those fucks don`t go online and say "i am now going to harass anita sarkeesian, i live at 20 whateverstreet, come and stop me". This
argument is getting really old really quick... Those who harass other online sadly are virtually impossible to stop.
Circular argument is circular, though I'm tempted to be glib and point out how that sounds sort of like terrorists.
But then, I suspect, you would accuse me of calling you a terrorist, even though I would have done no such thing.
Sure afterwards one can try to find and punish them for it but even that mostly doesn`t work out.
Trust me if i know how to find someone who really harassed anita i would love to drop by and beat some sense into them but i don`t know how.
I don't believe you. That wouldn't be the answer, either, but I don't freaking believe you. And one of the reasons is that even as you quote a guy saying #notallgamers, you have decided that he's talking specifically about you. About us.
Who says that one site people didn´t already start to attack gamers only you didn`t see it yet.
Apply that to your own argument and see yourself out.
So you claiming that i am wrong about "who was mean first" is just as much of a double standard since you experienced it differently but just call my version false despite it being very much true too.
Except Social Justice Warrior was coined as a pejorative, so even if you try and go back, you still can't claim equity. That still ignores the fact that saying people were offended by "SJWs" getting offended isn't a "who did it first" argument, it's a flat out argument that your claim is false. Even if they didn't get offended "first," your claim that people didn't get offended is flat our wrong and undermines the double standard you're trying to demonstrate. In fact, apply your own argument again and conclusively prove to me that nobody was offended. Hell, you just argued that maybe I didn't see the "SJWs" starting it, so how the hell could you know nobody was offended? You couldn't.
I'm sorry, the "Ray Comfort Defense" sounds good, but it's not very effective.
You claim that someone with thousands of followers going to twitter and calling gamers terrorists doesn`t bother you but 1 guy on a web forum saying "us" is enough to tick you off? I hope you see the irony in that...
Man, did you put words in my mouth to get that "irony." But then, you quote mined Faraci and tried to use lines of reasoning that would dismiss your own claims, so I'm not sure why I'm even surprised any more. Are you really so offended you have to resort to lying? If so, that speaks more to the problem than anything I could actually say on the matter.
I'm not offended or "ticked off" by you saying "us." I am refuting an inaccurate statement that there is an "us." I don't want to be associated with the "us" you're voluntarily associating yourself with. If anything, you're getting ticked off on my behalf.
