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Neonbob

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Avida said:
My grandad had diabetes but there was little i knew about it at the time, apparently it runs rife on my Dad's side so i guess im one of the lucky ones. I think my other grandad may have died from it but i dont know much about him either - died when he was 50, so i was either not born or very young, his son turned 50 a little while back so its awkward to talk about..

Also, a good friend of mine has type 2 but he doesnt tell anyone, its weakness to him, he thinks hes alone and should be ashamed - i tried to convince him otherwise but it didnt really help.. I only found out because while out drinking with him it kicked in bad, he couldnt walk and was thrashing around and losing consiousness, exteme pains in his legs.. horrifying. Things got better though after about half a bag of sugar, managed to basically carry him back to mine, he refused an ambulance, probably the 'weakness' thing again..

Anyone else had a simmilar experience?
I've never passed out from a low sugar level or a high one. But...how much was he drinking? I'm sure he knew that booze lowers sugar levels...and it's definitely not a weakness. Just one more thing to take into consideration when going about your day.
 

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Neonbob said:
Avida said:
Also, a good friend of mine has type 2 but he doesnt tell anyone, its weakness to him, he thinks hes alone and should be ashamed - i tried to convince him otherwise but it didnt really help.. I only found out because while out drinking with him it kicked in bad, he couldnt walk and was thrashing around and losing consiousness, exteme pains in his legs.. horrifying. Things got better though after about half a bag of sugar, managed to basically carry him back to mine, he refused an ambulance, probably the 'weakness' thing again..

Anyone else had a simmilar experience?
I've never passed out from a low sugar level or a high one. But...how much was he drinking? I'm sure he knew that booze lowers sugar levels...and it's definitely not a weakness. Just one more thing to take into consideration when going about your day.
He's a pretty heavy drinker, but he was still about half sober at the time, so probably 4-6 pints of beer... err... fosters or carling i think so not too strong but still. Oh, actually there was a good deal of vodka being passed around beforehand, couldnt tell you how much he got his hands on though. I'm amazed things have only gone wrong the once, that guy's at parties every other week :s. I suppose he normaly tops himself off with sugar beforehand and didnt have a chance this time - it was the end-of-school party. Awesome day beforehand :D

Oh, and just to clarify, he isnt me.
 

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My girlfriend has Type 1 diabetes, she has been handling it fine (average of 6.8, shes told to keep it between 4 and 9) since she has been using the Pen jabs, rather than basic syringes.

There has been 2 biggish incidences since we have been going out though:

Once was when she didn't check her blood before bed (assuming herself fine), and started fitting and spasming in the night. I only knew because she smacked me in the face mid-spaz.

The other was when she was driving through a busy town on the way to my house: she simply started looking around her and drifting into oncoming traffic. I grabbed the wheel, to pull us back on our road. She then put her hands on her lap, and said to me 'you drive, I can't do it'. I had to steer from the passenger seat, screaming 'SLOW DOWN!! SLOW DOWN!!' until we pulled into my drive and I pulled the handbrake. Probably the scariest moment of my life.

If I hadn't been there for either of those incidences..., well.
 

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I went to a friend's birthday once we were just sat about chilling when her mum came in and did the whole birthday cake thing then dissapeared, came back with some for everyone...everyone except me, what was I given? A fucking apple! Plenty of odd looks and sniggers from my friends until the mum said "well arent you diabetic so you cant eat any sugar?" I was currently sat chomping my way through a pack of Haribo...its amazing what people think diabeties involves.

I never got a slice of cake either /sad face
Did you tell her?
 

Letsrock456

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Well, you generally find two people who deal with diabetes

You get the over caring almost offensive type of people, who freak out when you even look at sugar, and you get the kind, let him do his own thing kind of people, who just let you get on with it and know that what you do, you choose to do

I like those kinds of people.
 

Neonbob

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Letsrock456 said:
Well, you generally find two people who deal with diabetes

You get the over caring almost offensive type of people, who freak out when you even look at sugar, and you get the kind, let him do his own thing kind of people, who just let you get on with it and know that what you do, you choose to do

I like those kinds of people.
The second kind is the best...it's a shame there are so few of them in the world...most of the people I meet and get to know well enough to tell them automatically go to the "no sugar?" question, which makes me want to slap them. Repeatedly. With a sack of feet.
 

Letsrock456

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Dude, seriously, where did you get a sack of feet?

Yeah, and me too, i don' blame them, they just over-react
 

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Listening to the newbie moaning about forgetting their Insulin pen.... ahhhh such hardship ;)

I am an old hand at this topic I was diganoised before my first birthday so for the maths wizs that means I've been Diabetic for 30 years now. When I first started they didn't have blood glucose monitors, you had to use urine dipsticks. They didn't have fancy dedicated insulin delivery pens, you had to use a brutal glass injection syringe that you took apart and then soaked in disinfectant between uses.

I've seen the developments and been there to enjoy the fun of them. Visits to the Diabetic clinic were about as complex as you ain't dead, ok keep doing what you are doing.

Then we got new insulins, instead of one insulin to do the whole job, you now had long acting insulin and short acting insulin. So I went from one injection a day to two. The insulins were basic, called pig insulin because quite simply it was extricated from pigs. It was this new combination of two insulins that brought about one of several of the worst hypos I have ever had. 1.7 is child's play compared to what happened to me. The hypo occurred during the night and to put it simple my parents thought I had had a stroke. I couldn't speak and I was paralysed down one side of my body. Of course this resulted in a trip to the hospital and this event would happen to me two more times in youth.

Then things moved on, the testing of hemoglobin A1c came along, A system for testing your average control level over a period of time and with that came the home blood glucose testing machines. I remember the first day I had to use that thing, the best way of describing it would be as a catapult that fired a needle in to your finger, if you could see the thing you would be able tell how brutal it was (I'll google for it if I find it I'll edit and post a pic). I hid in the backgarden and refused to come in to the house for fear of having this thing used on me. It was vicious and painful and the test itself took over two minutes to read the sample.

Things really have moved on though. The insulin I now use and inject three times a day is called Humalog, it is a synthetic insulin not like the old fashioned pig insulin you used to get. Designed to more accurately mimic natural human produced insulin. The old pig insulin you used to have to inject 30 minutes before you ate, which meant if something happened in between those 30 minutes that prevented you from eating you were screwed. This new stuff you inject it right before you eat so little chance for mishap. I was one of the first people in the country to to be trialed on this new insulin over a decade ago and it's so damn good I am still using it to this day. I was also one of the first in the country to trial the new long term night insulin called Lantis.

Not only has Insulin, injectors and blood testing moved on so has the the clinic appointments. I remember the day I went from visiting the childern's diabetic clinic to visiting the adults one at a different hospital. It wasn't so much a clinic as it was a room in a corridor where you spoke to the doctor for 2 minutes and that was it. Now you visit the clinic they test PB, Weight, Height, check urine, check HB1AC, do an eye drop retinopathy test, do a neropathy check, and then the doctor sits you down and sets about scaring you to death because your HB1AC is 1 above what they want.

Let's put it this way when my parents took me to hospital all those years ago the doctor they spoke to when they diagnosed me said 'in ten years time they'll have found a cure for it'. For a large part of my life I hoped they would but I have now moved on, I've seen what it was like and what it is like now, I know they won't cure it now, not in my life time anyway but some how I am not that bothered it's so much easier to deal with now and it's also brought me some unexpected bonuses. First girl I kissed was at a holiday camp for Diabetics, first girl I... uh hmm well... you know, was on a Diabetic holiday and I met my wife via a friend I met almost 20 years ago on a Diabetic holiday.

Oh for the guys wondering why some people have targets of 4 to 7 and other have targets of 120. The Americans measure their blood glucose on a different scale to us Brits. Take a look at the measuring chart in the side of the strip bottle you'll see that both measuring values are printed on the side.
 

Neonbob

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Letsrock456 said:
Dude, seriously, where did you get a sack of feet?

Yeah, and me too, i don' blame them, they just over-react
Hehehehehehe. Being a diabetic has its advantages. One of them being that I have to go the hospital for checkups. Since it's a hospital, there are some bodies...and I can wander...eeheheheh.
*Looks around in a paranoid manner*
*Opens up large coat*
Do you want some?
 

Neonbob

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Laughing Man said:
Listening to the newbie moaning about forgetting their Insulin pen.... ahhhh such hardship ;)

I am an old hand at this topic I was diganoised before my first birthday so for the maths wizs that means I've been Diabetic for 30 years now. When I first started they didn't have blood glucose monitors, you had to use urine dipsticks. They didn't have fancy dedicated insulin delivery pens, you had to use a brutal glass injection syringe that you took apart and then soaked in disinfectant between uses.

I've seen the developments and been there to enjoy the fun of them. Visits to the Diabetic clinic were about as complex as you ain't dead, ok keep doing what you are doing.

Then we got new insulins, instead of one insulin to do the whole job, you now had long acting insulin and short acting insulin. So I went from one injection a day to two. The insulins were basic, called pig insulin because quite simply it was extricated from pigs. It was this new combination of two insulins that brought about one of several of the worst hypos I have ever had. 1.7 is child's play compared to what happened to me. The hypo occurred during the night and to put it simple my parents thought I had had a stroke. I couldn't speak and I was paralysed down one side of my body. Of course this resulted in a trip to the hospital and this event would happen to me two more times in youth.

Then things moved on, the testing of hemoglobin A1c came along, A system for testing your average control level over a period of time and with that came the home blood glucose testing machines. I remember the first day I had to use that thing, the best way of describing it would be as a catapult that fired a needle in to your finger, if you could see the thing you would be able tell how brutal it was (I'll google for it if I find it I'll edit and post a pic). I hid in the backgarden and refused to come in to the house for fear of having this thing used on me. It was vicious and painful and the test itself took over two minutes to read the sample.

Things really have moved on though. The insulin I now use and inject three times a day is called Humalog, it is a synthetic insulin not like the old fashioned pig insulin you used to get. Designed to more accurately mimic natural human produced insulin. The old pig insulin you used to have to inject 30 minutes before you ate, which meant if something happened in between those 30 minutes that prevented you from eating you were screwed. This new stuff you inject it right before you eat so little chance for mishap. I was one of the first people in the country to to be trialed on this new insulin over a decade ago and it's so damn good I am still using it to this day. I was also one of the first in the country to trial the new long term night insulin called Lantis.

Not only has Insulin, injectors and blood testing moved on so has the the clinic appointments. I remember the day I went from visiting the childern's diabetic clinic to visiting the adults one at a different hospital. It wasn't so much a clinic as it was a room in a corridor where you spoke to the doctor for 2 minutes and that was it. Now you visit the clinic they test PB, Weight, Height, check urine, check HB1AC, do an eye drop retinopathy test, do a neropathy check, and then the doctor sits you down and sets about scaring you to death because your HB1AC is 1 above what they want.

Let's put it this way when my parents took me to hospital all those years ago the doctor they spoke to when they diagnosed me said 'in ten years time they'll have found a cure for it'. For a large part of my life I hoped they would but I have now moved on, I've seen what it was like and what it is like now, I know they won't cure it now, not in my life time anyway but some how I am not that bothered it's so much easier to deal with now and it's also brought me some unexpected bonuses. First girl I kissed was at a holiday camp for Diabetics, first girl I... uh hmm well... you know, was on a Diabetic holiday and I met my wife via a friend I met almost 20 years ago on a Diabetic holiday.

Oh for the guys wondering why some people have targets of 4 to 7 and other have targets of 120. The Americans measure their blood glucose on a different scale to us Brits. Take a look at the measuring chart in the side of the strip bottle you'll see that both measuring values are printed on the side.
I bow to your considerably greater life experience. Truly a great account of life!
I remember the first time I got a finger-prick at the hospital...christ almighty that sucked. Plus, they only did the insulin injections in my legs, which were pretty thin and almost all muscle...God, I hated that.
Anybody else have some good stories like that? The only one I can think of that even approaches his is the day I "got" diabetes. I was feeling kinda funny all day, and when my mom took me to the supermarket, I was incredibly giddy. Everything I saw made me laugh. When I got home, I felt really sick, and I threw up for a couple of hours before I got taken to the hospital, where I was diagnosed.
 

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Wait, so you wander around hospitals, stealing feet, and put them in a large coat...

....weird....
 

Letsrock456

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Meh, my story is that i went to the toilet too much and my parents got worried.

And whats a BFF again?
 

Neonbob

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Letsrock456 said:
Wait, so you wander around hospitals, stealing feet, and put them in a large coat...

....weird....
Sssshhh...the authorities will hear you...:p

Letsrock456 said:
Meh, my story is that i went to the toilet too much and my parents got worried.

And whats a BFF again?
That makes a great parental embarrassment story...I'm sorry for that...
And I think BFF=best friend forever
 

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I haven't had a major hypo and passed out since I was moved onto the basal blous system about 5 years ago. Is anyone else on this system?

On a lighter note the last time I was hospitilised for diabetes it turned out I'd just slipped over and knocked myself out on the fridge. Of course it took about 12 hours for a nurse to find the bump on my head and realise i hadn't had a hypo.
 

Neonbob

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JtLaneside said:
I haven't had a major hypo and passed out since I was moved onto the asal blous system about 5 years ago. Is anyone else on this system?

On a lighter note the last time I was hospitalized for diabetes it turned out I'd just slipped over and knocked myself out on the fridge. Of course it took about 12 hours for a nurse to find the bump on my head and realize i hadn't had a hypo.
Hah! That is great. Being diabetic kinda adds to the list of things that could be wrong, though, so I kind of understand why it took so long.
 

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type 2 here. just found out about it last summer in fact. i woke up one morning to find that my left eye was froze in place and wouldnt NOT move to the left of center. i friggne wigged out. it was on July 3rd so i went too the local emergency room and had cat scans and eye tests n shit, 6 hrs later i was discharged and told to seem my regular doctor on the following monday. the ER doc said nothing showed up in the tests. i said to him MY FUCKING EYE WONT MOVE. i STILL dont understand why the discharge unless they though my eye i was naturaly fucked up.

anyhow, following monday i go to my doctor, he runs a bunch of tests but decided i need ........ an Eye specialist. so i pile in the car and drive 45 minuts to an eye specialist. HE decides i need an MRI because he thinks ......... THINKS it could be MS and wants to rule it out/in. so a week goes by, i get teh MRI, he rules out MS but is still stumped. meanwhile my eye is getting a little better. so this eye doctor decides i need to see the BIG gunns and get me an appointment to see one of the best eye doctors in the whole North East US, so in the car i go, 4 hrs later im at burlington collage med center, i get eye tests out the wazoo, im blinded and set in a dark room, and straped into machines and clikcing clickers and tapping buttons and holy jesus knows what else. so he sends me home, he needs some time to check out the tests but its looking like i might need surgery and i had a possable stroke......... bla bla bla, anyhow i go home.

2 days later i have a follow up visit with my regular doctor, who was on vacation so i get too see his Nurse Practitioner instead. now im about 3 minuts into the visit and shes asking me about the eye, when all of a sudden she says ahve you ever been tested for 'sugar' (dont laugh she actualy called it that) i said newp not that i know of. so she made me piss in a cup, and while her aid was testing that she did the blood test. my results on the blood test were 365 (110-120 being target) never did get the results of the piss test. well anyhow me being ignorant totaly of the situation i says to her after we chatted for a while, just how high would it need to get before it was dangerious, she says bluntly to me 'well im actauly pretty amazed your setting here talking to me at the moment'

come to find out that after having an emergency room visits, 2 specialist vists, MRIs, cat scans, eye test out the ass, and none of the big money talents earning the $200+ per vist fees, over the course of almost 2 months, a fucking NURSE and a cup of piss figures out whats wrong with me in about 5 minuts.

seems to be under controll now though. i take some pills 2 times a day, and watch what i eat and im pretty much 'cured' to date. for wich im grateful that i dont need to do the blood testing, i DID have to do it for 6 months till we got it under controll so i know what a pain that is. and when i was first starting treatment they sent me too talk to a diabetic counselor who though i was going to pay $150 a visit to listen to her tell me how importiant toe washing is ....... fucking TOE washing. well i put an end to that shit in a hurry, id allready had my fill of idiotic medical methods that had me crazy for 2 months because no one thought too have me piss in a cup FIRST before i was subject to the full brunt of 'modern medicine'.

ohh well, good news is the Nurse DID discover it ........eventualy. i see JUST her now as a rule (im not stupid i do see a real doc on occasion) and turns out there were several things wrong with me that are now 'cured' that no one ever made the connection before. they say hind sight is allways 20/20 but damn in THIS case of hind sight it seems every medical person ive had anything to do with for the last 2 or 3 years was a blind as a fucking bat. except my nurse and her trusty little piss cup.

the REALLY funny thing for me is when the politico's start talking about how the American medical system is broke, i laugh because they are far more right than they know. i prolly had an easy $30,000 worth of medical bills that could have been skipped by one simple piss test, or even a $20 blood meter and a 50 cent test strip.
 

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Wyatt said:
type 2 here. just found out about it last summer in fact. i woke up one morning to find that my left eye was froze in place and wouldnt NOT move to the left of center. i friggne wigged out. it was on July 3rd so i went too the local emergency room and had cat scans and eye tests n shit, 6 hrs later i was discharged and told to seem my regular doctor on the following monday. the ER doc said nothing showed up in the tests. i said to him MY FUCKING EYE WONT MOVE. i STILL dont understand why the discharge unless they though my eye i was naturaly fucked up.

anyhow, following monday i go to my doctor, he runs a bunch of tests but decided i need ........ an Eye specialist. so i pile in the car and drive 45 minuts to an eye specialist. HE decides i need an MRI because he thinks ......... THINKS it could be MS and wants to rule it out/in. so a week goes by, i get teh MRI, he rules out MS but is still stumped. meanwhile my eye is getting a little better. so this eye doctor decides i need to see the BIG gunns and get me an appointment to see one of the best eye doctors in the whole North East US, so in the car i go, 4 hrs later im at burlington collage med center, i get eye tests out the wazoo, im blinded and set in a dark room, and straped into machines and clikcing clickers and tapping buttons and holy jesus knows what else. so he sends me home, he needs some time to check out the tests but its looking like i might need surgery and i had a possable stroke......... bla bla bla, anyhow i go home.

2 days later i have a follow up visit with my regular doctor, who was on vacation so i get too see his Nurse Practitioner instead. now im about 3 minuts into the visit and shes asking me about the eye, when all of a sudden she says ahve you ever been tested for 'sugar' (dont laugh she actualy called it that) i said newp not that i know of. so she made me piss in a cup, and while her aid was testing that she did the blood test. my results on the blood test were 365 (110-120 being target) never did get the results of the piss test. well anyhow me being ignorant totaly of the situation i says to her after we chatted for a while, just how high would it need to get before it was dangerious, she says bluntly to me 'well im actauly pretty amazed your setting here talking to me at the moment'

come to find out that after having an emergency room visits, 2 specialist vists, MRIs, cat scans, eye test out the ass, and none of the big money talents earning the $200+ per vist fees, over the course of almost 2 months, a fucking NURSE and a cup of piss figures out whats wrong with me in about 5 minuts.

seems to be under controll now though. i take some pills 2 times a day, and watch what i eat and im pretty much 'cured' to date. for wich im grateful that i dont need to do the blood testing, i DID have to do it for 6 months till we got it under controll so i know what a pain that is. and when i was first starting treatment they sent me too talk to a diabetic counselor who though i was going to pay $150 a visit to listen to her tell me how importiant toe washing is ....... fucking TOE washing. well i put an end to that shit in a hurry, id allready had my fill of idiotic medical methods that had me crazy for 2 months because no one thought too have me piss in a cup FIRST before i was subject to the full brunt of 'modern medicine'.

ohh well, good news is the Nurse DID discover it ........eventualy. i see JUST her now as a rule (im not stupid i do see a real doc on occasion) and turns out there were several things wrong with me that are now 'cured' that no one ever made the connection before. they say hind sight is allways 20/20 but damn in THIS case of hind sight it seems every medical person ive had anything to do with for the last 2 or 3 years was a blind as a fucking bat. except my nurse and her trusty little piss cup.

the REALLY funny thing for me is when the politico's start talking about how the American medical system is broke, i laugh because they are far more right than they know. i prolly had an easy $30,000 worth of medical bills that could have been skipped by one simple piss test, or even a $20 blood meter and a 50 cent test strip.
Wow. Talk about running around in circles...glad to hear you've got it under control now. Perhaps we should say that the American medical system is lacking common sense.
 

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Letsrock456 said:
Type 2, just don't be fat.
Not everyone who gets type 2 is "fat," though it is much more common statistically for overweight and obese people to develop diabetes. My grandmother has always been stick thin (to the point where I'm always afraid I'm going to crush her if I hug her too hard) and she still developed type 2.