Did Left 4 Dead Ruin Valve

[Bungalow]

I'm unconvinced by your arguments. Your main point seems to be 'L4D has a terrible community' and with this i'd also disagree.

L4D is one of those rare games where you are forced to rely and interact with your teammates. As such, you are much more exposed to them than a no communication kill fest ala Halo 3 TDM where it doesn't matter if your team is a the stereotypical 14 year old as long as he can shoot straight.

As such i'd say you've based this post on a few unlucky experiences with asshats. Alot of the people ive played with have been really solid gamers and are have become additions in my friends list. It's important to remember in games, as in life, nobs can be found everywhere, dont blame the game and stereotype the people who play it because of the minority.

 

[delet]

I disagree. I played the valve box first, I hated it all.

I realy like L4D. I dont apreciate you saying that you dont think L4D fans are intellectual, but I respect your oppinion.

L4D just appeals more to me than half life, wich I felt was to generic.

Oh wellz.

We all have our oppinions.


edit: You know what, I cant pretend to be civil about this.

I thought Half Life was a load of $%#@ and I thought Portal was boring as anything.
I felt that TF was a COD or GOW wanabee, and I thought Valve was just a sespool of shite.

Then L4D came along.

And I loved it.

So I don't apreciate you bashing L4D fans just because you dont like L4D.

I dont like Half Life, you dont like L4D.

Were different. I like action, you like whatever Half Life is. (Puzzles?)

I dont bash you, so please dont bash me,

To each their own, I guess.

I loved Half Life 2 the second I played it, even though I played it late by some standards when it came to the 360. I, for one, am an avid fan of any game with a great story. With Episode 2, it truly brought out emotion from me, which makes it an instant win. Half Life marks one of only 3 games that ever brought me to high emotions. (Others were Bioshock, which had a perfect twist, like a book may have, and Shadow of the Colossus, which nearly made me cry for a horse, which I think makes it instant win.)Portal, was simply a puzzle game with nice humor.

I can only see your dislike for those games because you're, as stated by the OP in a way, just there for the action. If not, please correct me to what your actual reason may be.

 

[Jake the Snake]

I never really understood why people were so outraged by the whole sequel in a year thing in the first place. So they didn't give the DLC you thought you were gonna get because they made a broad and very vague promise. They're the game company, they get to do whatever the hell they want with THEIR game. This false sense of entitlement all these pissed off fanboys is just ridiculous. I'm pretty damn sure close to NONE of you enraged twats have even played the game, and don't know much of what it has to offer because you were too busy trolling internet forums when you heard the name Left 4 Dead 2. And Honestly, what are you complaining about in the first place? A sequel to a GREAT game. Usually sequels to GREAT games DON'T suck (with maybe the exception of Knights of the Old Republic 2 and a few other) I've Been Waiting close to 6 fucking years for a new Elder Scrolls game, maybe all you haters need to appreciate what you're being given.

 

[iggyus]

Well lets see I have a friend with 3 university diplomas and he enjoys L4D a lot better than Half Life and Portal, which in his opinions are boring. Now I would consider someone with 3 diplomas an intellectual therefore your stereotype means nothing

 

[Disaster Button]

I love the way you couldn't spell Intellectual

Now before any Valve fanboys start yelling at me, hear me out.

What I mean by this is, before ld4 came out Valve's fans where I guess you could call them intuecuals (spelling?) of gaming, what I mean by that is these people (including myself) like a good story, some nice action but not full on action, use good teamwork, and needed to have the mental capacity to solve a strew of puzzles.

These gamers are generaly people in there 20s and 30s, they are smart and not annoying.

Now comes Left 4 Dead, now every Valve fan will still check this game out but many will not like it as much as previos Valve games because of a lack of story, little varity, and no more puzzles. Now Left 4 Dead may still be a good game but never as good as the Half Life series.

But to many non Valve fans, this game is a gift from god, these gamers enjoy non stop action, generaly no story, and some may enjoy teamwork. Now nothing is wrong with this type of gamer, except one thing, more than half of them are WHINNEY, ANNOYING, TWATS.

These gamers are generaly in the ages from 5 to 20 (most), and are generaly high pitched voices whining everytime they die because they ran away from the group.

Now this may not describe every gamer that likes this genra but this seems to be the majority.


Now you may ask, well how do these gamers destroy an entire company.

Now lets talk buisness, lets say (completely hypotheticaly) a game like Half Life 2 sells 1 million, this is the number of the intuecual gamers.

Now lets say a game like Left 4 Dead sells 2 million copies, many of these gamers are the latter, while some may be the intuecual gamer, the majority is the action gamer.

So if you sell twice as much on one game then another, your going to follow the money and make more games like this.

Now I am NOT afraid that Half Life 2 epsiode 3 will be hurt because of this, but what about after Half Life 2 episode 3. I am afraid that valve will start following the money and cater to the 10 year old who think that "action games are teh shits man, KILL KILL KILL."

I have already seen people hate Half Life because they played L4D first and said there wasn't enough action.

I am just worried that Valve will follow the money and slowly start ditching their creativity to more games like L4D, I may be right I may be wrong but i think Valve is slowly starting to deteriorate.

You're also being very generalist in what you're saying too

 

[j0z]

Of course it didn't ruin valve. Their fanbase has grown considerably because of L4D.
I don't see how you can blame a company for making a game that the retarded 12 year olds likes also. I haven't played L4d but I understood it to rely on teamwork and communication. I think those are just as "intellectual" as putting weights on one end of a glorified see-saw.
Plus, how do you know that L4D has ruined valve? They haven't released a game since L4D. Wait for them to release a crappy, mindless, shoot-em-up (not L4D2), before you go shouting doom. They will release that game when hell freezes over, and duke nukem forever is released.

 

[The Lawn]

I've found Valves games to be "smarter" in general.
Much more so than the "Run 'N' Gun" gameplay in other FPS titles like Halo and Gears of War.

Counter Strike takes patience, cunning and very often coordinated effort.
L4D, I haven't played personally, but from what I've seen it takes a concerted effort on either side to win. Both in planning and strategy.
TF2, sure you could scout rush the first capture point, but then you'll be torn apart by the sentries and pyros at the second one.

You're also complaining that a few people who play L4D are pretty much what all of what XBox Live is, not to bash the people who play xbox, it's just not my cup of tea.

Then on the flip side, you can find smart people playing dumb games.

It all boils down to it's easier to be dumb. Seems you have that down quite well. I kid, I kid.

 

[Bob Saget]

I don't agree at all. Personally, I have met a metric fuckton of good, mature players in L4D*. Way more than I've met in Counter-Strike: Source, which is an even more annoying game that's filled with WAY more immature "elitists" (as they seem to think they are). And that came out way before L4D even did. I love the Half Life series and it's mods, and I like L4D also, granted it's quite boring now with lack of no new content... But still. Point being, is that Valve is trying to appeal to the action/adrenaline group as well as the puzzle/logic group, and even the middleman, all of which have great players and shit players.

*Keep in mind that I play PC, which I've noticed has more of a mature fanbase in general. (not trying to start a war here, I'm just sayin'.)

 

[Monshroud]

Having yet to play L4D, I can't comment on the game from first hand experience, but I love Valve software games and the FPS genre. My only reason for not playing L4D yet is that I just haven't gotten around to it yet, (I'm kinda behind on my gaming) but slautering zombies for a few hours sounds like a blast!

Valve needs to try different things. Portal is nothing like Half-Life, but was well received and got solid reviews. L4D was another experiement which turned out to be successful. Now I personally don't like the fact that L4D2 is coming out before HL2EP3, but that doesn't make me not like L4D.

As for your comment regarindg L4D players as 5 - 20 year olds who are obnoxious twats. How are they different from the obnoxious twats who play TF2, CoD, Halo, etc? I have played with annoying little bastards and some really fine folk who I now game with on a semi-regular basis now. You have to take the good with the bad and just not let it get to you.

 

[TurkeyProphet]

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When your juggling 3 different languages then you can go say i'm a dumb fuck for spelling a few words wrong.

Try learning French, Spanish, and Italian at the same FUCKING TIME, ITS NOT EASY

NOW ANY FURTHER MESSAGES SENT TO ME WILL NOT BE READ AND WILL BE INSTANLY DELETED, I TRIED TO BE CIVIL WITH THE OP, BUT APPARENTLY YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT AN OPINION IS.[/quote]

There is no excuse in the world for anyone, especially someone claiming to be an intellectual, to not use a spell check.

You shouldn't try to learn three languages at once if you are struggling. And to be perfectly honest French, Spanish and Italian are really similar languages all of them are highly based on Latin and have loads of cross over. Keeping this in mind if you learnt them one at a time it would be much easier to master. That way you wouldn't confused with what you were learning because they are such similar languages.

To be honest I think you are lying . It's an especially poor lie because it was a spelling error which isn't really relevant to your language skills. If English is your native tongue you shouldn't forget how to spell. I mean intellectual is a Latin derived word and the spelling is pretty much identical. You have no excuse!

Sorry for the really quite pointless post.

My quote failed. But I shall leave it!

 

[Woodsey]

"Now before any Valve fanboys start yelling at me, hear me out.

What I mean by this is, before ld4 came out Valve's fans where I guess you could call them intuecuals (spelling?) of gaming, what I mean by that is these people (including myself) like a good story, some nice action but not full on action, use good teamwork, and needed to have the mental capacity to solve a strew of puzzles.

These gamers are generaly people in there 20s and 30s, they are smart and not annoying."

For a smart person your spelling's not so sharp.

 

[kickin wiing]

What I mean by this is, before ld4 came out Valve's fans where I guess you could call them intuecuals (spelling?) of gaming, what I mean by that is these people (including myself) like a good story, some nice action but not full on action, use good teamwork, and needed to have the mental capacity to solve a strew of puzzles.

These gamers are generaly people in there 20s and 30s, they are smart and not annoying.

This is what pisses me off about most Valve fans, they think they are so above other gamers. (Note that I'm not speaking about you personally.)

 

[atomictoast]

Even as a fanboy, all you just did was make us look bad. D:

Before you started all that crap about Valve fans being the super-intelligent pack of the gaming world, did you ever try Counter Strike: Source...you know, Valve's most popular game?

You won't believe how long it takes for an ultra skilled 12 year old to call you a "fag hackr n00b"

Seriously, just because you like a certain game doesn't make you above the rest of the community. It just makes you a fan of the game.

 

[jboking]

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I can accept that Half-life is bland, I can even agree. I can see how portal would be boring. However, calling Team Fortress a COD or GOW wanabee is about the most misinformed thing I have ever read on these forums. It just screams, "I didn't play the game." Not to mention TFC came before both COD and GOW. So maybe you could support why you felt this way with some reasons or examples of how TF is COD or GOW.

OP: No, L4D is still a very good game, and a nice change of pace from the HL games. If L4D does anything for Valve it will be increase it's disposable income and reputation with console gamers. They won't abandon Half-life, it is THE Valve game. Also, since when do you have to be an intellectual to figure out physics puzzles. I was able to play HL2 with my 6 year old brother and he handled solving the puzzles with relative ease.

Nitpicking:

What I mean by this is, before ld4 came out Valve's fans where I guess you could call them intuecuals (spelling?) of gaming, what I mean by that is these people (including myself) like a good story, some nice action but not full on action, use good teamwork, and needed to have the mental capacity to solve a strew of puzzles.

At first I thought this was a stab at irony or wit. Then I saw that you used it repeatedly...Spell checking your OP's is typically a good idea. You could also consider firefox which has a spellchecker built in.

 

[JoeKickAzz]

left for dead brought valve one thing.......MONEY

 

['Stache]

Valve tried something different.

If a star football player tries out basketball during the off season, would you say that soccer ruined them?

If a guitar player picks up violin, would you say that the violin ruined them?

 

[Fuhjem]

Um... Counter-Strike?

 

[Takoto]

Seeing as I hadn't played any Valve games until I played Left 4 Dead, I don't know, but damn the fans seem to be idiots.
Whether I'm playing online on the PC, online on the XBox (I've only done that like once or twice though) or when I go to a LAN Café, there's always twelve year olds screaming down the mic.

"OOOOOH YOU F-IN ****** MATE YOU CAN'T SHOOT FOR SHIT MATE"
"*insert random screaming here*"
"TAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK. TAAAAAAAAAAAAANK. TAAAAAAANK. "
"HEAL ME. HEAL ME. HEAL ME. HEAL ME."

 

[phoenix352]

umm idk about it ruining anything....i liked half life. half life 2 to be specific the big long one not the stupid episodes that followed. l4d was a nice game sure its different from half life and iam happy it is what your saying is that valve is supposed to relay on a single franchise it made a long time ago that appealed to some people. every developer likes to experiment and create new things not stay with the same game....

what you said with this whole thread is that you dont like l4d and "think" valve made a mistake making it , ill disagree and say it was a great game no story is exactly what a zombie game needs....who cares how it happened just use the dam shotgun to blow them up

half life is not the best game ever created and valve doesnt need to give it any special treatment over new ideas that they are trying.

fact is every time they deviated away from half life to make a new game that game succeeded greatly beyond major. TF2 cartoony war game became one of the greatest online shooters we still play today , portal a mini game lasts for 2 hours yet it was the perfect game for many
it had puzzles a neat gun and a crazy robot , l4d was what ive heard named one of the best zombie games ever made l4d2 was inevitable valve made a new game that was great and wanted to add new features in the end it had so many they made a whole new game for it all. and while these games get updated and talked about half life 2: episode 3 is drifting away

 

[Canadian Fodder]

I think Valve just needs to stop working on the l4d stuff and finish fucking half life. I mean common it isn't very nice to leave us with that big of a cliffhanger.