Did Left 4 Dead Ruin Valve

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pieeater911

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I don't think so. I mean, look at Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2. Those are both insanely popular and well rated games and neither of them have any story.

I love Valve games because they are fun, story or no.
 

Tonimata

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So long as there is still intellectuals and clever people playing left 4 dead, I will love playing it time and again. My advice: find some good players, stick with them, annoy them to hell if you must to play with you, but STICK WITH THEM! You don't want any twats leaving you behind when you are being chased by a tank and two hunters
Although I can see why they did it.
 

AkJay

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I've been a diehard Valve fan since i got Half-Life 2 when it first came out, and i loved L4D because it shows that Valve is more then just a one-trick pony.
 

Superlordbasil

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Well Counter strike has always had this problem and is very popular and Valve hasn't churned out clones of that so me thinks there is little to worry about
 

Laughing Man

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Now before any Valve fanboys start yelling at me, hear me out.

What I mean by this is, before ld4 came out Valve's fans where I guess you could call them intuecuals (spelling?) of gaming, what I mean by that is these people (including myself)
Really? Intellectuals, like being intellectual enough to google how to spell intellectual? Sorry but the comment is epic fail and had to be picked out for it's comedic value.

like a good story, some nice action but not full on action, use good teamwork, and needed to have the mental capacity to solve a strew of puzzles.
I can only assume that you are referring to the HL series of games. Well in ever aspect those games fail to tick any of the boxes you listed above.

The story in the first was good and in the second you spent the first half of the game wondering how you got from the end of the first game to the start of the second by which time I didn't really care about the story. The first was interesting, some may say ground breaking given that most FPS games of the time were run and gun affairs but the story in the follow up games are hardly ground breaking, they even border on being cliche.

Use good teamwork.... maybe I am lost but where exactly is the teamwork in any of the HL games? If you mean the few occasions were you have to team up with the thick as mince AI then perhaps but it is hardly good teamwork. If you're talking about the Multiplayer off shoots like, CS and TF then L4D requires that you work as a team to succeed were as the other two you can stomp around like a one man army and still get by quite well.

Mental capacity to solve a strew of puzzles... there is nothing in any of the HL games that require even the slightest bit of intelligence. The puzzles in HL amount to nothing more than plot driven and environment driven go here and push this puzzles, hardly a great stretch from the Doomeseque go and collect the key card nonsense. HL2 introduced the physics based puzzles which revolved around no more than simple see-saw puzzles.

All Left 4 Dead has done is indicate that their are an awful lot of very stupid people out there that play Valve games. The hard and fast rules for playing L4D are simple, move as quickly as you can do safely, clear a room and move on, stick together, back each other up, don't run off by yourself and don't waste time exploring unless you're in dire need of health. It's taken me just three weeks to see that that strategy works but you still get people who completely fail to grasp it even when you tell them to stop arseing about and get a move one.

The only game that ticks the boxes, besides multiplayer teamwork, is portal.
 

khaimera

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ZZoMBiE13 said:
Misspelling the word "intellectual". Possibly the purest definition of irony ever?
I agree 100%. He didn't misspell the Dumb F@*ks part though. hmmmm
 

Schlorgan

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Seriously, I love Left 4 Dead. But how is it more important than the Best Game EVAR, which will be named Half-Life 2: Episode 3?
 

ddon

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l4d is fine to me. besides your avatar is tf2 and it doesnt have story ether but we still like it. whats the differance of the zombie killing of l4d to the capture the points of tf2 that makes a differance and seem the story isnt there. if there is a differance beatween tf2s and l4ds little bit of i dont see it.
 

Lord Thodin

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OP just cause you dont like L4D doesnt make it a shitty game. I enjoy an occasional zombie death stroll, but calling people twats for a group a annoying kids you met is a little harsh.
 

Yeager942

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Destal said:
Absolutely not, I think valve will continue to be a great game company. Even though I am one of those seething idiots who hasn't played Half-Life and just bought Left 4 Dead. Albiet I'm a few years out of your 5-20(really, 5-20? You really think 5 year olds play this game?) range.
Half-Life 2 is pretty awesome. If you like a well-told story and perfect gameplay, HL2 is the way to go.
 

Xx7 elevenxX

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Well they have had CSS for a while. Not that it is the same there is alot of things you have to think about in CSS. But has zero story and no puzzels. It has not done anything to them at all.
 

The Austin

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PumpActionJesus said:
The Austin said:
I disagree. I played the valve box first, I hated it all.

I realy like L4D. I dont apreciate you saying that you dont think L4D fans are intellectual, but I respect your oppinion.

L4D just appeals more to me than half life, wich I felt was to generic.

Oh wellz.

We all have our oppinions.


edit: You know what, I cant pretend to be civil about this.

I thought Half Life was a load of $%#@ and I thought Portal was boring as anything.
I felt that TF was a COD or GOW wanabee, and I thought Valve was just a sespool of shite.

Then L4D came along.

And I loved it.

So I don't apreciate you bashing L4D fans just because you dont like L4D.

I dont like Half Life, you dont like L4D.

Were different. I like action, you like whatever Half Life is. (Puzzles?)

I dont bash you, so please dont bash me,
Guessing you have an xbox...

/searchforlowerformoflife
I'm guessing you think your superrior because you have a computer.
 

The Austin

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headshotcatcher said:
The Austin said:
I felt that TF was a COD or GOW wanabee, and I thought Valve was just a sespool of shite.
WAIT

WAIT

Wait

Could you please explain this to me? It doesnt have the key factors of either of those games. It lacks gritty realism, it lacks regenatory health, it lacks the shittyness..

If you could prove me wrong I'd be very much delighted.
Just my oppinion man.
Just my oppinion.
 

rorymclean12

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Left 4 dead is the only valve game i have played but if it was a bad move then why is there a second game coming out so soon after the first games relese
 

Chrissyluky

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i still like valve but i no longer trust them since they kinda backstabbed us on left 4 dead i love the game still but releasing the sequel so early was the worst thing they could do for the game. if anything you could say it ruined their reputation