Dirty multiplayer tactics

[Saskwach]

Nazel

Invincibilty is defence what?The attacking side has won wars before. And couldn't the "Private Camper" get his ass kicked by "General Dumbass"'s soldiers (Frag spamming,invisibilty,invinciblity,air strike,helicopter,sheer numbers,noob tube or for offline affairs screen peeking)

The point is by attacking you offer the enemy the chance to win. By defending you don't; he has to take it, and in so doing he has to risk offering you that chance to win. Offensive wars have been won, yes, but almost always because the attacker had more men, more money, more guns, to throw at the enemy walls.

 

[Iron Mal]

To counter the 'General Dumbass' and 'Private Camper' analogy that someone else made, I will admit that staying in one location while defending is okay (hence the fact that it is called defending), however, defending and camping are two seperate things.
Defending is holding one location because that is the point of a given game (such as capture the flag or assault for those of you fammiliar with Unreal), camping however, is holding one spot in a map purely because it gives you the upper hand in combat (for example, jumping out around an often travelled corner with a shotgun in hand).

Not camping may make me a dumbass but on the bright side I give the other side a fair chance (which is the point of online games being competitive, i.e: it is he who is more skilled who wins rather than he with the bigger gun or the guy with the game's engine backing him). Also, that is quite a biased analogy as well, assumeing that anyone who doesn't camp is a dumbass is quite a narrow minded view.

 

[shatnershaman]

Nazel

Invincibilty is defence what?The attacking side has won wars before. And couldn't the "Private Camper" get his ass kicked by "General Dumbass"'s soldiers (Frag spamming,invisibilty,invinciblity,air strike,helicopter,sheer numbers,noob tube or for offline affairs screen peeking)

I'm direct quoting from Sun Tzu. It is an English translation of 2000 year old eloquent Chinese.It means that in defending you are at an advantage.

I'm not sure what you mean by that second part. Please elaborate.

How to kill a camper:Frag spamming,invisibilty,invinciblity,air strike,helicopter,sheer numbers,noob tube or for offline affairs screen peeking etc etc

Lets use UT3 for example: Some one is camping around a corner with the sniper rifle and flak cannon.
To defeat said camper

1. Get the shield belt
2. Get a keg o health
3. Get juggernaut
4. Flank
5. Get buddies
6. flak cannon the corner

etc

EDIT:

Not camping may make me a dumbass but on the bright side I give the other side a fair chance (which is the point of online games being competitive, i.e: it is he who is more skilled who wins rather than he with the bigger gun or the guy with the game's engine backing him). Also, that is quite a biased analogy as well, assumeing that anyone who doesn't camp is a dumbass is quite a narrow minded view.

Wouldn't using the environments and timing power weapons/power ups not be skills?

 

[Nazrel]

Nazel

Invincibilty is defence what?The attacking side has won wars before. And couldn't the "Private Camper" get his ass kicked by "General Dumbass"'s soldiers (Frag spamming,invisibilty,invinciblity,air strike,helicopter,sheer numbers,noob tube or for offline affairs screen peeking)

I'm direct quoting from Sun Tzu. It is an English translation of 2000 year old eloquent Chinese.It means that in defending you are at an advantage.

I'm not sure what you mean by that second part. Please elaborate.

How to kill a camper:Frag spamming,invisibilty,invinciblity,air strike,helicopter,sheer numbers,noob tube or for offline affairs screen peeking etc etc

Lets use UT3 for example: Some one is camping around a corner with the sniper rifle and flak cannon.
To defeat said camper

1. Get the shield belt
2. Get a keg o health
3. Get juggernaut
4. Flank
5. Get buddies

etc etc
4. flak cannon the corner

These all seem like good tactics(Though I'm not sure what juggernaut means. That mean getting the tank?), and I commend you if you employ them.

But I think you failed to see the point of the General Dumbass, Private Camper analogy.
It was about people who rush forward like idiots, get taken out by a camper, then whine about them because they're to dumb to find a way to deal with them, and call them wussy's and cowards. There is nothing wrong with camping in many scenario's it's what you're supposed to do.

 

[shatnershaman]

But I think you failed to see the point of the General Dumbass, Private Camper analogy.
It was about people who rush forward like idiots, get taken out by a camper, then whine about them because they're to dumb to find a way to deal with them, and call them wussy's and cowards. There is nothing wrong with camping in many scenario's it's what you're supposed to do.

Well there is the General Tactics and Private Dumbass analogy too you know.

 

[Nazrel]

Well there is the General Tactics and Private Dumbass analogy too you know.

Please elaborate.

 

[JC123]

Players in multiplayer games are selfish bastards. They're often out to have fun on their own rather than have fun with a whole lot of people. The whole point of playing multiplayer is to play with other people but when it becomes just an exercise in getting a new piece of kit, a better kill:death ratio or griefing players, the game gets less fun and less fun for everyone.

If you hear a frustrated player talking about how some clown has been following him and has headshot him 5 rounds in a row and they haven't been able to do anything about it, the usual responses are to mock them, ignore them or say they're whining. There are always things you can do, like you can follow them around and protect them for a little, kill their killer a few times, give them some pointers for the map/game or switch teams with them.

Everyone is out to have fun, extending a little courtesy goes a long way to help other players enjoy the game and it will usually help you to enjoy it more too. Things like teamwork rather than being assholes to your teammates, not repeatedly killing some guy because he's not as good at the game as you are, and many more help to make a shit match into the only place you want to be. I'm sure you've stumbled on a server with a bunch of good people who play decently if only for a short length of time. It may be rare but it exists.

I'm against achievements and ranks because it takes the game into a dumb serious tone where nobody is able to play the game casually. Unfortunately more and more games are coming out that are 100% based on things like that. There are some games that have some basic alternatives built in such as unranked servers, which is a good thing. Rewarding a player is one thing, but rewarding a player for being an asshole to everyone is something I hate.

As for an answer to the OP's question, a tactic many people like to employ (perhaps it's not seen as dirty) is always choosing the winning side. A new player might join the game and instantly go to the team that's winning. Existing players on a team might switch teams to the better team. The teams end up being stacked usually in two ways: in number and in skill level.

Pfft, I love this stuff. "Everyone's out to have fun, let's all share and be happy."

Hell no! I'm out for ME. If I wanted to have fun and share the love around, I'd play multiplayer offline with mates, or in a private server. If I'm online, all I'm after is something that isn't A.I. - either it's too hard, too easy, or I just need a change. I want to enjoy myself, not play babysitter to others. I want to kill as many people as I can, or beat them any way I can, because that's where the fun comes from, and I despise those too weak or ridiculously overpowered. If they suck, they should shut up and cope, learn to better themselves. Play offline, follow the tactics of good players, or just stay the hell out of the way. Don't get me wrong, I suck at quite a few games myself, so this isn't an elitist attitude, it's just realistic.

The only thing in multiplayer that I don't agree with is unfair and unavoidable exploits. If I get killed by a camping sniper, good on him/her. I just have to find another way to improve my situation - take a different route, use a different weapon. But spawn camping when you have no chance to fight back isn't fair (one exception - if they need to camp the flag for a while to capture it, Battlefield-style). As is grenade spamming, rocket launcher overuse, or other unrealistic weapon god-states. If there's a good few seconds I can get them back then it's fine, but if they can fire off 4 rounds in as many seconds, that's unfair. It just turns the battle into a solo artillery show. Skill is fine.

 

[zirnitra]

I think mine would just have to be team killers. next it would be annoying people on voice chat. then people who complain about you killing them with a grenade or 'noob-tube' when they were incorporated into a game for a reason.

I can't stand to see people move side-to-side and jump around like a lunatic. More than anything to me, that breaks any immersion that was left after grenade-spamming, aimbots, wallhacks, and "your momma" jokes. Especially if they can dance about like that, then put a bullet (or laser, plasma ball, etc.) smack in your face. Are people incapable of using cover or tactics in a gunfight anymore?

if you watch any video of an amazing online FPS player you will see they are constantly running from side to side and jumping because it's what stops them being hit by bullets. there is no sense in standing still and dying for the sake of staying realistic when the game developers incorporate the jump buttons and go left while looking forward so they evidently want you to use them.

you then complained about people who can dance around and still kill you with out using tactics? so really good gamers upset you? I don't really care too much about tactics apart from when the situation demands it. using team tactics to win a deathmatch for instance isen't really that fun. I'd rather go loan wolf, storm out guns blazing get some kills, die repeat.

EDIT completely agree with you on aimbots, wall hacks and yo mamma jokes though

 

[Woe Is You]

-> Y,Y,Y with Rapheal in SC2 (Admit it we all do it)

To that I respond with a GI and 66B, 66A+B, 8B+K. My Cassandra tears through mashers like hot butter.

Metagamers and sliders in SSBM are no problem for me. See, I don't metagame. Yes, I pay attention to who they pick. I know every characters strengths and weaknesses, and how to exploit them.

This. Wavedashing doesn't make you superior if you suck at everything else. You might move a bit faster, but that's about it.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I'd have to answer this post with a clear "NO".
Campers, sniper or no sniper, are people that lack the skill to move across the map.
In CoD4, I've constructed a route on every map that bring me from camping point to camping point, without getting in everyone's sight too much. It's probably something you learn naturally when you play free-for-all because everyone camps at that game. The thing is, they suck. They call me a cheater for being able to kill them constantly, because I'm breaking their precious sniping game by coming up close and pointing a shotgun at them. Even the ones that see me in time and have a chance to shoot first usually have no chance.

Same with almost every other game out there, snipers tend to stick to the same place because they're too afraid to move around. Even though they could, god forbid, move across the map and use other guns.

Sir I thank you for backing up every view of CoD4 I have. Teach those damn snipers how much the suck.

ok funny part is both of you proved how correct my post was

thing is try being a sniper and moving around a lot, you CAN'T, the whole point of a sniper is to find one spot you don't have to move from and you can have a relatively unobstructed view of the battle

so moving around is not very good for a steady shot and thinking that they should move, just shows how much you don't know about playing different classes and the tactics used to play them. funnily enough those snipers that sit in one spot and "have issues moving around the map" probly know that map as good if not better than you do

 

[Koslov227]

I'm all for playing fair. I always hit the auto-assign in FPS. I wont actively search for glitches to use in any game. I'm all for helping new people by offering pointers and the people I play with will do the same. I do not shun using weapons or perks in moderation and firmly believe in "if the developers put it there... its fair game."

Hackors just suck and should be instantly banned. If you use a third party program to get a leg up on the competition, then you should be slaped around with a large phallic object. Also, people who use glitches activly in any form need to re-examine how much of a looser they are to have to cheat at a game.

BUT when it comes to those elitist Pr*cks:

I will use a 203 launcher + overkill (with the second tube) and marty, just to piss them off. I will zerg rush (or play the economy by flooding a specific resource in Sins of a solar empire)over and over again just to hear my opponent get even more pissed off after it happened the first time, and when they start to quote Sun Tzu, I do it again. I will spawn in a point and just stay there in COD4 when I hear people complain that they are loosing because people are camping. Why do I act like them you ask... because they are pr*cks, and I have no tolerance for them... so I respond by delivering a hearty shovel full of their own sh!t. Oh and you're momma jokes and refernces to their sexuality are always fun, because 9 times out of 10, they can dish it out but they can't take it.

 

[Unknower]

I'd have to answer this post with a clear "NO".
Campers, sniper or no sniper, are people that lack the skill to move across the map.
In CoD4, I've constructed a route on every map that bring me from camping point to camping point, without getting in everyone's sight too much. It's probably something you learn naturally when you play free-for-all because everyone camps at that game. The thing is, they suck. They call me a cheater for being able to kill them constantly, because I'm breaking their precious sniping game by coming up close and pointing a shotgun at them. Even the ones that see me in time and have a chance to shoot first usually have no chance.

Same with almost every other game out there, snipers tend to stick to the same place because they're too afraid to move around. Even though they could, god forbid, move across the map and use other guns.

Sir I thank you for backing up every view of CoD4 I have. Teach those damn snipers how much the suck.

ok funny part is both of you proved how correct my post was

thing is try being a sniper and moving around a lot, you CAN'T, the whole point of a sniper is to find one spot you don't have to move from and you can have a relatively unobstructed view of the battle

so moving around is not very good for a steady shot and thinking that they should move, just shows how much you don't know about playing different classes and the tactics used to play them. funnily enough those snipers that sit in one spot and "have issues moving around the map" probly know that map as good if not better than you do

Maybe in games like Counter-Strike, where the maps are small, but surely not in games like Battlefield, Battlefront and Crysis with big maps?

At least in Crysis I think changing your spot is a good tactic. I noticed time and time again that snipers who don't change their spot get killed when the people who they just shot or missed respawn or get a sniper rifle.

 

[shufflemonkey16]

I don't really mind people doing many of these things. If it gives them/their team an upper hand in the game, then bravo for them doing something smart. I'll just have to outsmart them to overcome their strategy.

Things that do suck though are glitching into walls and the like. Or just cheating by using modded consoles or things.

 

[countrysteaksauce]

Some of the perks on cod4-
juggernaut- even though hardcore servers invalidate this one, I really love putting a whole clip into someone before they die. Seriously, lets let one player have twice as much health as another.
martyrdom- just annoying, if you dont have the little skill necessary to lob a nade and have to rely on a posthumous free kill, then please uninstall.
last stand- more annoying than martyrdom, why should you get a second chance at life when I just spent all that time shooting you.
3x frag grenades- we needed more spam!

 

[Shadowtek]

Cheaters. any which way you do it. if someone kicks my ass and they are flat out better than me, fine, i can handle that. Cheaters however, they hate me as well as i hate them. i am VERY good at a few games, to the point cheaters point me out (then leave the map very quickly).

Personally for cheaters, i have an ideas about what too do to cheaters. but, i'm not looking to get banned from here for any of my ideas.

 

[the jellyman]

I hate the people who ue crossbows on the old half-life/opfor. They find some camping pot that no-one else can get to because of all the mines that they've laid, and with a grille window so no-one else can shoot them or indeed see them, and after that anyone out in the open is dead meat as silenced, one hit kill, high velocity bolts nail them to a wall
Why, I ask, can't you try the shotgun or the smg or the hivehand? At least then we could see you.
EDIT: sniper rifles in battlefield 1942 and battlefield vietnam are all useless
ANOTHER EDIT: (quote)
shatnershaman:
-> Y,Y,Y with Rapheal in SC2 (Admit it we all do it)

To that I respond with a GI and 66B, 66A+B, 8B+K. My Cassandra tears through mashers like hot butte
( unquote)
To which I reply: what?
YET ANOTHER EDIT: I thought the pyro class in tfc and tf2 is designed to sit and wait for enemies and then burn them. and the spy class, coe to that

 

[TheDukester]

When people have been talking about CoD4, it seems they are only thinking about deathmatch, team or free for all, which is probably one of my least favorite modes now.

If you're playing search and destroy or tactical versions of [insert your favorite gametype here] and you run into the open, you're just asking to be shot. With (team) deathmatch, I'd agree with what everyone is saying--camping just slows the action down and makes it annoying for everyone else. But in tactical, you have to be sneakier. That's the whole point of the dead silence perk!

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

I just recently played warhawk, and seems like some people found some ways to fly a warhawk UNDER THE FUCKING MAP!

Also, TF2, it's hard to explain without having a long drawn out post so I'll put it like this:

Choose spy on a TC map - be offense.

Disguise/cloak

Head to second capture point

Wait for team to capture the first point

Once they do, you are instantly at the second point and you capture it almost instantly - and you won the game without having to fire a single shot.

 

[RathTheGreat]

Halo 3. I love the entire series to death. I love it so much that I bought a special edition Halo 3 Xbox 360. And the legendary edition. I love the campaign. But I honestly despise Halo 3 multiplayer. I don't know when everything in multiplayer went downhill and turned from competitive fun where everybody is all chummy with everybody and in the end nobody holds grudges because everyone had a great time, into a competition to see who can be the biggest asshole. It seems people in Halo 3 will do anything they can to win a match just so they can feel good about themselves because they beat a private and his 2 guests who have never played before and just wanted to experience the multiplayer.

There are quite a few things I get pissed about when it comes to Halo 3 and a few of them are just Bungie's fault while others are things that assholes do just to get one kill. I'd say the thing I hate the most would be the needler. Ever since Bungie decided to take away the duel weilding ability and boost the power to compensate this weapon has been the bane of my online existence. You could have an oversheild on when you are attacked by somebody with a needler and it isn't going to do you a damn bit of good. They shoot three needles into you and you light up like the fourth of July sending your corpse flying ragdoll style through the air. And like a plasma grenade except far less legitimate there is nothing you can do when you get stuck with the needles.

One thing that everyone has been griping about is the melee system and it is unfair but we have to live with it because there isn't anything anyone can do. Mostly my beef with this is the double beat downs and the instant death. If nobody has encountered instant death I will explain. You walk up to someone with full shield when you have little or no shield and press melee. Your attack will not have registered and instead without the opponent having pressed the melee button you will be beaten down. You can tell they didn't press beat down because you can clearly see that there was no melee animation. This pisses me off to no end.

I also hate maulers, they're possibly the cheapest weapons in the game. If you get to of them and get yourself into a nice little camping spot you can dominate because those guns each equal the force of 1 shotgun. So using both of them equals 2 shotguns. Most people aren't alive after one full shotgun blast. Speaking of shotguns there is a cheap trick that most people do and defend as legitimate. I'm sure every Halo 3 player can be accused of trying it at least once, kind of like pot. I myself am not innocent, though I admit I did it as a bit of revenge and I must say the jackasses who did it certainly didn't take kindly to a taste of their own medicine.

Lastly, there are the laggers. One of the easiest ways to cheat at Halo 3 and the most effective one is to lag yourself on purpose. And it's easy to get away with too because to Bungie it's just normal lag that they don't give a shit about. And when you do this you appear to be skipping around to other players making it almost impossible for them to shot you and very easy for you to kill them. I see it practically every time I play Halo 3 multiplayer and it's unlikely to stop. So I have officially called it quits on Halo 3 multiplayer. It's enough to have all the assholes and ten year olds and plain old idiots but then they all pull cheap crap just for one kill? No, I won't accept that. Halo 3 multiplayer should be played in custom games with friends or on forge just messing around and still only with people you know and like.

And my disc is screwed up for some reason so it won't load half of the campaign levels and for some reason I haven't gotten like 3 different pieces of armor even though I've met the requirements for all of them. One of them being the scout shoulders which are obtained when you get the We're In For Some Chop achievement. I got that achievement a week ago and still no damn Scout shouldrs. Enough of my complaining though, somebody elses turn.

 

[RedxDecember]

I hate it when i'm sneaking up on someone in call of duty and then some noob comes running up behind me and shoots the whole place while not even KILLING that person, then the person who you now realize has a trench gun blasts the noob, looks at you and fires right in the face!