Dirty multiplayer tactics

[aussiesniper]

I hate the "tactic" that is to spray bullets into cover that can be shot through. How, exactly, can an MP5 manage to shoot through concrete? I don't know how, but in CoD4, every gun can. also, just for the record, I want everyone to know that the smallest non-pistol weapon in CoD4 (the scorpion) can shoot further and more accurately than a long-barrelled G3 rifle, and that it does more damage at short range.

 

[Unknower]

if camping is a part of normal warfare why would it not be a part of online games about warfare?

Because most multiplayer games aren't combat simulators intended to be as realistic as possible. Most MP games are meant to be entertaining and real tactics in real wars aren't usually that.

 

[Reep]

Im not entirely against camping although i have done a fair bit of it. In cod im a sniper but i rarely stay in the same spot for 10 or so seconds, sometimes a minute though if theres a lack of free areas.
My main rule of sniping, relocate after each shot, no one knows where u are and it isnt camping in the sense that it is known as in here.
If you get hit by a camper, go somewhere else and stop feeding him kills, avoid his sight, even try smoke grenades.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

For the record, sniping is not camping. That is sniping - you can't move around, or else you could never find a target. Sitting behind a door with a shotgun is camping.

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[Jumplion]

For the record, sniping is not camping. That is sniping - you can't move around, or else you could never find a target. Sitting behind a door with a shotgun is camping.

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Yes, sniping is FINE because that's what a snipers supposed to do.

However, if you have a shotgun and you stay in the same place the whole entire damn match, THAT is camping and that is not a strategy. HOWEVER, if an enemy is running after you and you just so happen to turn and stay behind a crate and then kill him, that's not camping that's escaping. If you stay in one place for more than a minute (disregarding snipers) then that's camping in my book.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

Yes, sniping is FINE because that's what a snipers supposed to do.

However, if you have a shotgun and you stay in the same place the whole entire damn match, THAT is camping and that is not a strategy. HOWEVER, if an enemy is running after you and you just so happen to turn and stay behind a crate and then kill him, that's not camping that's escaping. If you stay in one place for more than a minute (disregarding snipers) then that's camping in my book.

Ditto. If you are hiding to avoid death, that is not camping. That is self-preservation.

 

[daedrick]

Wow, people in here are pathetic. Especialy people whining about engi in TF2. Its their purpose to defend. Not camp, but DEFEND! Just like the demoman and their win bombs, its their purpose to defend and wait for you to walk over their bombs like the dumb ass you are. Snipers can be very annoying but once again, its their purpose to defend its how they are designed.

Now camping in general. Imo, theres nothing wrong about it. Im far from a camper myself. Im more of the kind to equip myself with a 12 gauge spas shotgun rushing in the melee throwing grenades everywhere. In CS, most of the time, I use the MAC-10 ( uzi ) and rush middle door... or even the machine gun when Im rich. The only game I play as a defender most of the time is in TF2, as an engi. But even there, I try to get a portal exit as far as possible in their base. IRL, people always camp, always. And when they advance they do it very carefuly. Slowly, do you guys play paintballs? Well you should, and I bet you will camp more than you will rush.

Hacker and glitcher. Guess why they are getting banned? Because ITS WRONG... and I automaticaly leave the server when I spot one.

my 2 millions dollars.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

Wow, people in here are pathetic. Especialy people whining about engi in TF2. Its their purpose to defend. Not camp, but DEFEND! Just like the demoman and their win bombs, its their purpose to defend and wait for you to walk over their bombs like the dumb ass you are. Snipers can be very annoying but once again, its their purpose to defend its how they are designed.

I hate it when people call you a camper when you are doing what the gametype requires. The flag/headquarters/base won't defend itself, and if you weren't there they would waltz on in. Sheesh.

 

[Jumplion]

And when they advance they do it very carefuly. Slowly, do you guys play paintballs? Well you should, and I bet you will camp more than you will rush.

Or try laser tag, though i suppose that wouldn't work because whenever I play laser tag, i usually go and look for a fight and get cover when I need to. I usually end up in the top 10 or even top 3 because of that and the people who stay in one place get shot at repeatedly with no chance of recovery. Hate it when that happens, damn kids, they're mean...

 

[ultra_v_89]

Not a fan of the 'nade spamming on COD4. I don't mind snipers, its not very easy or rewarding anyway. I hate people who sit in corners and watch a doorway the entire game. When you go through you have no hope. I dislike Juggernaut and martyrdom, think the m16 is overpowered but I most hate people who use Juggernaut with Last Stand. When will you die?!? FYI, my fav class is the ninja- smg+ silencer+uav jammer+dead silence. If you can sneak behind an enemy group with this, you will get a load of kills, no-one really talks tactics to eachother over live anyway.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

No-one really talks tactics to eachother over live anyway.

I find that more people talk tactics on Halo 3 (which is a rare occurance) than they do on Call of Duty 4 (which I haven't encountered once).

 

[Woe Is You]

However, if you have a shotgun and you stay in the same place the whole entire damn match, THAT is camping and that is not a strategy.

So it's fine if you're using a sniper rifle but not fine if you're using anything else? What the hell kind of logic is that?

My take on this is that if you're falling for something like camping, the other player is simply exploiting a mistake you're doing repeatedly. Spawn camping is a whole different story, though, but that's something the game designers should take into account while designing an FPS.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

My take on this is that if you're falling for something like camping, the other player is simply exploiting a mistake you're doing repeatedly. Spawn camping is a whole different story, though, but that's something the game designers should take into account while designing an FPS.

I like the Halo and Call of Duty spawn systems. With them, you don't have one set spawn location, you have many. It is also weighted so you'll spawn closer to friends than you do enemies, and you are less likely to spawn in a spot where a friendly just died.

 

[WeevilStew]

This only works when you are playing with your friends in the same room. I suppose you could do it with people who are not your friends, but how often do you spend time in your living room with people you don't know.

What I do is when I'm losing, or trying to keep my lead a big one, I throw a hip check into my opponent. Or I reach over and steal their controller. The only thing is you have to make sure you don't screw up yourself while attacking your friend. Nothing is more embarrassing than trying to throw your friends game and in turn, throwing your own.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Camping near a spawn point.

about this complaint... what else are they supposed to do?

if my team is rushing your team and we push your team all the way back to your spawn? now what?

are we supposed to back off and give you leverage to get back into the fight? of course not, we're here to play a game so we'll stand around and shoot anything that moves. from you're perspective we're spawn camping but from our perspective we're just rushing to the front line and fighting.

ultimately, if excessive spawn camping occurs it is usually due to bad map design and poor level balancing. blame the level designer not the noob with the carbine rifle.

and how can you ambush people if you don't camp?

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Because most multiplayer games aren't combat simulators intended to be as realistic as possible. Most MP games are meant to be entertaining and real tactics in real wars aren't usually that.

well, considering game designers designed their games and not you, we would have to assume that they planned for all usable tactics that are... well, usable within their game. simulator or not, waiting behind concealed cover at a typical entryway is a valid defensive tactic.

this whole argument is similar to how senior citizens think it's unethical to check raise in poker.

 

[ReepNeep]

Camping near a spawn point.

about this complaint... what else are they supposed to do?

if my team is rushing your team and we push your team all the way back to your spawn? now what?

are we supposed to back off and give you leverage to get back into the fight? of course not, we're here to play a game so we'll stand around and shoot anything that moves. from you're perspective we're spawn camping but from our perspective we're just rushing to the front line and fighting.

ultimately, if excessive spawn camping occurs it is usually due to bad map design and poor level balancing. blame the level designer not the noob with the carbine rifle.

and how can you ambush people if you don't camp?

People who stickybomb the other team's spawn in TF2 deserve to be anally violated with a chainsaw, then perma-banned. Anything else is fair game.

All these camping arguments boil down to is this: some people are simply too cowardly/weak to meet their opponents face to face. Some people have a problem when people like this are given a means to contribute to a battle.

Is hiding in a corner with a shotgun significantly different than hiding in the grass with a scoped rifle anyway? If you're worth your salt in a multiplayer FPS you will be checking those corners and avoiding likely lines of sight for snipers anyway.

Hell, the spy in TF2 exists specifically to punish people who don't pay attention to their surroundings and the only thing that bothers me about them are the constant facestabs.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

All these camping arguments boil down to is this: some people are simply too cowardly/weak to meet their opponents face to face. Some people have a problem when people like this are given a means to contribute to a battle.

LOL

Since when was playing online videogames via anonymous nicknames an act of bravery?

Not everybody can be the fastest or most accurrate shooter, but thankfully not everybody is a rushing moron either. as in any competitive situation there will always be strategical elments employed by either side in order to offset base skill advantages.

it is even possible to employ strategy to such a degree that it nullifies any inherent base skill advantages possessed by the other side. maybe that is what makes people so upset.

maybe some people are just myopically viewing FPSs as an expression of refined accuracy and mobility and then cry fowl when the rug is pulled out from underneath them revealing that strategy is relevant to their success.

 

[ReepNeep]

All these camping arguments boil down to is this: some people are simply too cowardly/weak to meet their opponents face to face. Some people have a problem when people like this are given a means to contribute to a battle.

LOL

Since when was playing online videogames via anonymous nicknames an act of bravery?

Not everybody can be the fastest or most accurrate shooter, but thankfully not everybody is a rushing moron either. as in any competitive situation there will always be strategical elments employed by either side in order to offset base skill advantages.

it is even possible to employ strategy to such a degree that it nullifies any inherent base skill advantages possessed by the other side. maybe that is what makes people so upset.

maybe some people are just myopically viewing FPSs as an expression of refined accuracy and mobility and then cry fowl when the rug is pulled out from underneath them revealing that strategy is relevant to their success.

*shrugs*
Some people prefer to skulk in corners and shoot people in the back or hide in the grass and one-shot people who have no chance of fighting back. I don't begrudge them their playstyle, dishonorable though it may be. It can be very effective and quite often necessissarry(sp) for the team to succeed.

I do however take great joy in burning them to death with my flamethrower while they have their noses crammed in their scopes. Then I taunt their smoldering corpse.