'Disney's first black princess - a good thing?'

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Eekaida

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'Disney's first black princess, a good thing?' - I saw this headline on the front of a newspaper yesterday - I think it was the evening standard, but I could be wrong - and I admit it got me to thinking. My conclusion was - why does anyone care?

I'm a second year animation student, and I can say with certainty that practically everyone on my course has been looking forward to the up-coming 'Princess and the Frog', coming to cinemas here in England at the end of the month. It symbolises a return to form for Disney, going back to the grass-routes hand-drawn style of animation that Walt Disney himself helped to pioneer nearly 100 years ago.

So, I saw this headline, and though to myself, 'why does it matter?' Disney's Princess' have been rather varied since the 90's, with an american indian (Pocahantas), an arabian muslim (Jasmine from the Aladdin trilogy), a chinese (Mulan), a greek (Megara from Hercules) and an indian (Shanti from Jungle Book 2). Ok, so the last two aren't princess', but my point stands. Surly having a black princess is just natural progression?

You could ask what took them so long - in my opinion they were too busy ot conquering the world, but lets face it, Disney hasn't made any good movies in years, instead subsiding on forgettable sequals and Pixars reflected glory.

A black friend of mine did show interest in the fact that the princess of the film is black, as did we all to a degree, but the novelty soon faded, and it became just 'the new Disney film', although she did comment that the princess had an odd name. The grape-vine has suggested that Disney changed the name of the Princess from 'Milly' to 'Tiana' because people found 'Milly' to be rasist. How exactly I'm still not sure - my friend was more insulted by the second name.

My question to the escapists it this - what's the big deal? Is the first black Disney princess a good thing - well, how exactly is it a bad thing? (I admit I didn't actually read the article, being on a paper someone had left on the train). In this day and age, does it really matter? That being said, if 'Aladdin' were released today rather than 18 years ago (18 YEARS! I kid you not), would the extermists be claiming jihad on Disney for Jasmines permanently bare mid-drift and lack of veil?

It feels like a protracted argument to me - maybe because animators and animation students have known about this film longer than the general public and any kind of 'shock' has worn off (one of my lecturers actually worked for Disney and is credited in the making of 'Tarzan').

My opinion is this - Its a Disney film and I'm looking forward to it. Even if it wasn't, its story alone is intriging enough to make me want to see it. I'd especially like to hear from anyone who has or is planning to see this movie.
 
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Probably entirely due to "Song of the South".

Disney has been accused of being racist since he had his head cryogenically frozen, or the clouds in the Lion King spelt "SEX" or there being a penis on the Little Mermaid's castle.

Make up your own mind about how true/false [http://www.snopes.com/disney/disney.asp] these things are.

Disney just keeps on retelling stories.
 
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Holy shit, Aladdin came out 18 years ago? I was born 18 years ago!

wow...

OT: I can't believe that its news to be honest. There's nothing wrong with it. What, so portraying every race/nationality/religion/creed is wrong?

Thats what I get from what you said...

And if Aladdin was released today, something tells me there would be an uproar. Just because people these days get their pants in a twist whenever something like that comes out.

Makes me sad really...

The_root_of_all_evil said:
...or the clouds in the Lion King spelt "SEX" or there being a penis on the Little Mermaid's castle.

Make up your own mind about how true/false [http://www.snopes.com/disney/disney.asp] these things are.
Thanks for ruining my childhood :(
 

Gigaguy64

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I really dont care.
They could have a poka-dot princess for all i care.
If its a good movie then its a good movie.
If not, well then its not.
The only reason i got interested was because it was like you said, being done in the classic Hand drawn animation.

People get to worked up over the color or religion of Characters nowadays.
 

tomtom94

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Furburt said:
The world would only be truly racially free if a film like this could be released without people even talking about it. Why should there be a fuss? It's a film set in the South, like anywhere, it has black people there. It's the same people who kicked up a fuss when they heard that there was black zombies in L4D2.
As loathe as I am to just quote the current most popular person on the Escapist, he has really hit the nail on the head.

Disney really did milk the publicity they got for the first African/American princess.
 

Guru Cube

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I'd say it was neither a good thing, nor a bad thing. It is just a thing. You're right to say "who cares?". The average person doesn't care. If she was white, I bet nearly every black person in the world would not even consider any discrimination, it's just a story.

In fact, I think this is a good display of the way the modern western Press likes to cause or instigate these kind of issues and arguments. (For other examples, see the interracial tensions that occur in England and the UK. I suspect many of these are caused by the press. Sadly, The Sun is one of our best selling newspapers followed by the Daily Mail. That says it all...)

My view? I don't give a monkeys what colour the person is, it doesn't change the story. :)
 

RheynbowDash

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Probably entirely due to "Song of the South".

Disney has been accused of being racist since he had his head cryogenically frozen, or the clouds in the Lion King spelt "SEX" or there being a penis on the Little Mermaid's castle.

Make up your own mind about how true/false [http://www.snopes.com/disney/disney.asp] these things are.

Disney just keeps on retelling stories.
I have to agree with this. If Tiana was white, would we be asking "Why hasn't Disney created a black princess?" or would this just be SOP (standard operating procedure) for Disney?

People will always try to read between the lines and see what they want to see.

I'm black.

I just see a movie about a frog.
 

AvsJoe

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It's a big deal. Disney is almost every child's third parent growing up (I used to jokingly refer to him as Uncle Wally) but black children, specifically girls, didn't have a black role model of their own. Let me put it to you this way: What if every, say, superhero and supervillain was black and only the occasional sidekick or small villain was white? The first white superhero would be a pretty big deal, wouldn't it?[footnote]I realize that it was the other way around. No need to point it out.[/footnote]
 

AngloDoom

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Eekaida said:
Disney's Princess' have been rather varied since the 90's, with an american indian (Pocahantas), an arabian muslim (Jasmine from the Aladdin trilogy), a chinese (Mulan), a greek (Megara from Hercules) and an indian (Shanti from Jungle Book 2). Ok, so the last two aren't princess', but my point stands. Surly having a black princess is just natural progression?
With the exception of Pocahantas, aren't all of them just slightly darker white-people?

This is the first Disney Princess who is undeniably black. When I was a child, I didn't realise Jasmine was supposed to be a different ethnicity.
 

RatRace123

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How exactly is having a black princess revolutionary... is it because it's the first non sterotypical black role in a disney animation.
Wait, actually it is.
 

zhoominator

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Furburt said:
It's the same people who kicked up a fuss when they heard that there was black zombies in L4D2.
But where were these people when Transformers 2 came out?

A: Because they weren't thick enough to watch it, unlike me...
 

Mother Yeti

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Concerning Aladdin, I do remember there being a minor uproar over a lyric that went along the lines of "they'll cut off your ear if they don't like your face, it's barbaric, but hey, it's home." And there was, in fact, some discussion in Muslim communities over Jasmine's lack of a veil. Ultimately it wasn't a huge deal.

The Milly-to-Tiana switch occurred because the character was originally supposed to be a house cook. There was a bit of a negative reaction to that, so they switched it up. I imagine they changed her name because Tiana sounds more "princessy."

Anyway, your overall point. It's a big deal simply because there hasn't been a black "princess" before. This is significant in the same way Barack Obama is significant, although obviously on a much smaller scale.

In cynical marketing terms, this has a lot do to with the Disney Princess line, which is earning the company an obscene amount of money. All of the characters commonly featured in that line are white. Mulan and Pocahontas are rarely included, and Jasmine (when she is included) is often portrayed wearing more a more European style of dress. One could make the argument that Disney is trying to make this line more marketable to African American children.

Anyway, it's a kick-ass movie. Definitely a return to form for Disney after years of sludge.