Do Americans have a right to carry?

[SilentCom]

So really he should have asked to see it.

The police would have a foot to stand on BUT they were dumber then a bag of bricks. This is ridiculous though. This is why i hate places that don't have strict training for police to go through.

Also is concealed any better? Then it would seem like you are trying to hide the firearm. And if you have a license or not that seems a little shadier.

Reminds me of this.

Unfortunately this is why police officers get shot at. A few bad cops give them all a bad name and paint a bullseye on their back.

 

[fix-the-spade]

We open carry for self defense, it is perfectly reasonable to want to keep yourself alive.

That's a load of balls.

You carry a gun to feel safer, it makes you no more able to defend yourself than before. If I were going to attack you, I would walk up from behind then slit your throat first, you've got a gun, best never give you a chance to use it. Whilst you lie there drowning I'll take your gun, should be worth a few bucks or at least a few ounces to the right person.

Or I would just, y'know, shoot you in the back, since I can go and buy guns and ammo.

That it makes you any safer is a silly assertion, it's the number one method of both suicide and murder in the US, nevermind the higher than average rate of 'mishaps' with fire arms in America. If you want to be safer, you should walk around wearing a kevlar vest for all the idiots with guns.


#Edit.

I've just been on the NRA website. Even they assert that carrying a fire arm actually increases the risk to yourself and other people, the NRA says guns make life more dangerous and promote proper safety precautions.

Also, here's a cheery little graphics from the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/21/weekinreview/20070422_MARSH_GRAPHIC.html

 

[bdcjacko]

Guns are awesome. Nut gun laws very state to state, county to county, city to city.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This is why we don't arm the police.

 

[omega 616]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

I didn't want to listen the whole audio recording because it was too long. Anyways, as far as I know, a license to carry a handgun is typically a concealed weapons permit therefore to have it holstered in plain view in a public area is not justified because it can antagonize or threaten others. If it was at a firing range or something, then its probably different.

Listen to the first 3 minutes, the rest seems to be faint whisperings and shufflings (like a phone in a pocket).

On topic. The guy couldn't have been calmer and the police guy was basically sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting "get on the ground! Get your hands where I can see them!" etc etc etc.

The guy even asked if he could move his foot ...

As for the laws and ins and outs of the USA and gun controle, stop carrying them. Only leads to shoot outs and higher rate of fatalities.

 

[fix-the-spade]

This is why we don't arm the police.

We should arm them with nerf guns, nerf gatlings on the roofs of the cars.

It would give a good way to vent frustrations without commiting actual violence. Plus, Nerf Gatling-gun Police cars, it sells itself.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You carry a gun to feel safer, it makes you no more able to defend yourself than before. If I were going to attack you, I would walk up from behind then slit your throat first, you've got a gun, best never give you a chance to use it.

Or the front. Bit off-topic, but people tend to underestimate the danger of a common or garden knife. Alot of armed police officers have been badly injured/killed after being attacked by someone with a knife, as they can't draw the weapon, chamber a round, release the safety, aim and fire fast enough.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Well atleast the guy wasn't threatening or harming anyone.

 

[Citizen Snips]

This has cycled through here a few times already, but my position hasn't changed.

Americans do and should have the right to carry, and infringing upon that is going against our personal freedom and the Bill of Rights. If anyone thinks that we are interpreting the 2nd Amendment incorrectly, they need to call their congressman and demand a constitutional amendment immediately.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This means that we should be able to form a militia when necessary, but also that our individual right to own a firearm can not be infringed upon. The Supreme Court has sided with this time and time again.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

The way things are in Philly right now I can't really blame the cop. It's like the O.K. Corral over here.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This is why we don't arm the police.

We should arm them with nerf guns, nerf gatlings on the roofs of the cars.

It would give a good way to vent frustrations without commiting actual violence. Plus, Nerf Gatling-gun Police cars, it sells itself.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Thaluikhain]

This has cycled through here a few times already, but my position hasn't changed.

Americans do and should have the right to carry, and infringing upon that is going against our personal freedom and the Bill of Rights. If anyone thinks that we are interpreting the 2nd Amendment incorrectly, they need to call their congressman and demand a constitutional amendment immediately.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This means that we should be able to form a militia when necessary, but also that our individual right to own a firearm can not be infringed upon. The Supreme Court has sided with this time and time again.

Personally, I happen to believe that was merely supposed to mean being able to serve in the military (which means that banning homosexuals was unconstitutional).

However, that's totally irrelevant, as there's no reason why you can't allow for privately owned weapons with other laws (or, for that matter, ignore the Bill of Rights when convenient).

 

[Biodeamon]

i think they should re-go arms training. people in america seem to use them too often or on a whim.

Instead of taking them to a restaurant to tell them they're breaking up people these days seem to think lead is acceptable parting gift....

 

[The Apothecarry]

The last time I checked, you need a license for a concealed firearm but not a openly visible one.

Why is it that all the cops have recently forgotten all of the common knowledge laws?

 

[teh_spartan]

you need to have a concealed weapon permit to cary a handgun in public NY

 

[Cheesezorz]

God, they sound so very rude!

 

[dystopiaINC]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

if i may? no, he was the reasonable on here, he had the gun legally and was supposed to have it out if he didn't have a concealed carry permit, the cop was a stupid piece of shit that refused to listen to him, in case you didn't notice the retarded cop had his gun trained on him before he even told the man to turn around, he was already being unreasonable well before the confrontation started. just so you know, i want to be an officer, i think this was to far and out of line and the cop was in the wrong here man.

 

[Jodah]

Assuming Philadelphia doesn't have any additional laws then he is in the right. For example, in New York state you need a permit to own a handgun period. Said permit is also a conceal carry permit. Now if I were to take my permit and handgun to New York City it would be illegal. In order to carry in New York City an additional permit is required.