Do Americans have a right to carry?

[omega 616]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

The guy said to him, "do you want to see my drivers ID and my license to carry it" he said the famous lines again.

There was no need to arrest the guy, call in back up, have a go at him for it and then just sort it out.

Let him throw his stuff over, read it and then have a good laugh or a "sorry for the inconvenience, just wanted to sure and safe", the guy seemed more than reasonable and would have probably said "it's ok, I know you were just doing your job".

The cop blew it all out of proportion.

 

[Echo136]

This guy was recording everything and from the sound of his voice was expecting this to happen. I dont consider him at all the victim in this situation.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

Do you have any idea what cops have to go through? Clubs shootings, drive bys, people spazzing on whatever drug of the day, and now you have some tough guy walking around with an unconcealed hand gun, in Philadelphia no less. He's lucky he didn't get a bullet through his leg.

 

[fenrizz]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

Seems unreasonable to me.

He was cooperating, trying to calmly explain why he had a gun.
He offered the required paperwork, but the police officer plain refused to listen.

You can't just tackle someone to the ground, put your knee on their face and handcuff them for no reason.
And certainly nor so when they have done nothing wrong.

 

[Jodah]

This guy was recording everything and from the sound of his voice was expecting this to happen. I dont consider him at all the victim in this situation.

Unless its different in Philadelphia or criminal cases that recording won't be admissible in his case. In PA both parties have to know they are being recorded for it to be admissible in court. I've recently had issues with this as my father recorded conversations during a family feud with his brothers (none of which would be confidential due to attorney privilege or the like.)

 

[Brandon237]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

-.-
Seriously?
Did you listen to the audio recording? The cop harassed him, refused to listen, Would not even let him move his foot off the dirt and shouted, swore and got pissed off for no reason other than to create a power struggle for the sake of it. What's wrong with "Hello, please stand where you are and slowly draw your permit for that weapon on your hip, thank-you." *Check permit* "Thank-you sir, have a nice day."

Police do not deserve respect because they are police, they deserve it IF they do their job properly, without infringing on the rights and lives of innocent civilians. If they do not, they should not be given a fire-arm and should not be given respect they do not deserve, this is simply causing friction between police and civilians.

taser the fuck head

Because this will NEVER lead to unnecessary violence, hate, injury and shootings. Not in this wonderful Orwellian World we live in that denies the existence of human rights to all but those in government and the police force.

 

[omega 616]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

The guy said to him, "do you want to see my drivers ID and my license to carry it" he said the famous lines again.

There was no need to arrest the guy, call in back up, have a go at him for it and then just sort it out.

Let him throw his stuff over, read it and then have a good laugh or a "sorry for the inconvenience, just wanted to sure and safe", the guy seemed more than reasonable and would have probably said "it's ok, I know you were just doing your job".

The cop blew it all out of proportion.

There is a need to detain him (that's different from an arrest) , and he resisted by not complying. This idiot decided to have attitude and not listen.

I can still tell you haven't even listend to the clip.

Until you do there is no point continuing this.

He never had an attitude, I would have had attitude, this guy just wanted to pick up a car part and not be arrested for a few hours while they dragged there knuckles and slowly realized they dun goofed.

 

[Grey_Focks]

great, this would happen in my state, wouldn't it? Anywho, in case it hasn't already be answered, no, you don't need a permit to openly carry a gun, but ofcourse some places don't let you. You do, however, need a permit to carry a concealed gun, but seeing as how this gentleman's gun was in plain view, he didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Echo136]

This guy was recording everything and from the sound of his voice was expecting this to happen. I dont consider him at all the victim in this situation.

Unless its different in Philadelphia or criminal cases that recording won't be admissible in his case. In PA both parties have to know they are being recorded for it to be admissible in court. I've recently had issues with this as my father recorded conversations during a family feud with his brothers (none of which would be confidential due to attorney privilege or the like.)

Even so, he was ignoring a cop's order to get on the ground, and he had a gun on him. You just dont do that if you have a brain in your head and want to live.

 

[subtlefuge]

I live less than an hour away from where around 20 years ago a guy drove into a Luby's (cafeteria) and opened fire killing 23 people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

Yeah, I'm all for everybody concealed carrying.

 

[googleboy]

I don't know anything about the gun laws in the states but shouldn't it atleast be concealed?

Actually, concealment is usually against the law. Displayed in the open is a requirement for public 'carry' if you don't have a 'concealed carry' permit obtained by a local sherrif's office.

 

[spartan231490]

I don't know anything about the gun laws in the states but shouldn't it atleast be concealed?

Sometimes. Depends on the state. In NY where i live, yes it has to be concealed, but in Georgia, and some others, it doesn't. I think florida is concealed carry only

 

[-Ulven-]

Not really suprised... I mean whenever I see something go awry on an American cop video is when the cops miss on the first shot... (or so it would seem)

 

[subtlefuge]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

Seems unreasonable to me.

He was cooperating, trying to calmly explain why he had a gun.
He offered the required paperwork, but the police officer plain refused to listen.

You can't just tackle someone to the ground, put your knee on their face and handcuff them for no reason.
And certainly nor so when they have done nothing wrong.

Officers have a duty to protect others, then protect themselves. Denial of rights doesn't figure into miscommunication. If the officer is at fault, that's something you sort out later when people aren't waving weapons around.

You get the fuck down when an officer tells you to.