Do we really WANT to know what Tali looks like (light spoilers)?

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Phaerim

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Allright so amidst all this fuss about ME3 being delayed until next year, I decided to re-install ME1 and ME2 on Steam, and play through the games again.

Now, since I HATE spoilers, I haven't been browsing the net for too much info on ME3, but evil search engines on Google and the Escapist, has lead me to the info that a certain loveable Quarian will be making a comeback in ME3. And no I am not talking about Qip-Qip or whats his name. Rumors has it, that we will finally see what the Tech-savy race looks like in ME3, as their homeplanet has been confirmed as a visitable location in the game.

Now Tali is by far one of the more "normal" characters BioWare has presented to the masses, but also one of the most intruiging. Why? No one knows what she LOOKS like (except Shepherd), so her entire character is almost build around actions and personality - and a very tight spacesuit, that only hints at the physilogical nature of the non-obese Quarian female. And in my opinion this is what makes her a very great character. Now, I am not talking solely romance here, but what makes Tali so engaging as a character, is human curiosity.

It is by far also her biggest flaw. Think about it. Will Tali really be that intresting a character once we, hypothetically, learn that she is in fact a humanoid spacenewt-ish amphibian, or a feather covered birdwoman, with a bad skinrash? I mean this revelation has the chance of ruining the players commitment and intrest in the Tali character completely? I mean in terms of romance, most other BioWare female romanceable characters (maybe except Ashley Williams, and all the males) have had plenty of cleavage to show. In Dragon Age, you could basicly undress every female, and Morrigans dressup isn't exactly hiding things, and although Morrigan, Lelliana and Wynne had exactly the same body despite background history and well....age, not much were hidden from eyesight if you wanted to. Basicly there were plenty of gender charactaristics to be hinted at, and while all three had very distinct and different personalities, looks also played a part in your judgement of the character. However in Mass Effect, everybody wears layers upon layers of spacewear, and that leaves more to the imagination, and a larger emphasis on personality (in my opinion).

Now on the romance front, Tali was very intresting because her looks are mysterious, and you only have her personality and actions to go on when you determine wheter you want to bang spacesuits with Jack, Miranda or Tali. Imagine the moment you learn about her looks, and suddenly decide that her looks ruined YOUR subjective idea of Tali. Some might say "could be worse", while others might consider breaking up and in despair try to engage a romance with Grunt or Legion, simply because her looks, and the mere thought of "it" engaging in sexual intercourse resent you so much.

My point is, if Tali doesn't live up to your subjective expectations, she has the chance of becoming a very average character. She would go from great to average (imo). Now I might be overreacting here, but I just think that the fact that Shepherd - the character you play - decides to be with Tali based entirely on the relationship they've developed through the two games, without Tali ever showing her real face, is a really really, well, romantic thought and builds emphasis on the fact that female characters in computer games can have more than looks in their writing, character and concept.

To me, Tali represents that you can make intresting and engaging female characters, without showing huge cleavage and tons of skin. Hell, in my eyes she is only beaten by GlaDos from Portal - who is a computer.

What do you guys think?
 

bob1052

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I never really thought about it like that.

Making a romanceable character that you have no physical knowledge of (I guess an exaggerated figure in a skin tight space suit may detract somewhat from this) is pretty interesting.

Also This [http://www.ponychan.net/chan/oat/src/130349208326.png]
 

CptRumGuy

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Interesting. I guess if she just looks really bizarre, then it might ruin it. But if she looks at least somewhat close to how I imagine then it would be okay I think. Besides, her mask isn't completely opaque. You can get an idea on eye/nose shape at least.

Although I would definitely die of laughter if she took off her mask in ME3 and you see ET staring back at you. Or the aliens from Independence Day or something.
 

Trolldor

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Tali in ME 1 =/= The naive harping little child in ME 2.

So I'm guessing that Tali is an amorphous blob.
 

Zantos

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I didn't think she was that interesting to begin with. The mystery was fun at first but I just got fed up of how monotonous she seemed to get about how terrible the geth were and the suffering of her people. And it only got worse in ME2. I just wanted to yell "Tali, we are murdering countless geth with handheld WMDs, can you at least try and enjoy yourself with it?"

I also didn't like the way she, or for that matter pretty much every other quarian, were making it out like the geth were the bad guys. It was there side who started a war with the express intention of completely annihilating the enemy. People just seem to skirt past that fact, it get's mentioned what, twice? Just because they lost it doesn't mean they're suddenly the injured party.
 

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I thought they were supposed to be like really beautiful or something?

I dont remember much from that game. I think waiting till the very end of the game to see wouldn't be a bad way to go with it. Or only certain ending leads to her reveal maybe?
 

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I agree. I've always suspected that the hype around Tali was because of the fact that we've never seen what she looks like, or indeed, what Quarians in general look like. This makes people use their imagination, and thus players become more engaged and interested in the character.

Tali is a good character, not my favourite, but she's excellently designed. As is Thane, which was my favourite, based mostly by the complete badassery he showed in his intro, but that is off topic.
 

Ladette

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Just seemed appropriate to me.

Anyways i'd rather not see Tali's face, I find the mystery of her apperance to make her more intresting. There's just something attractive about chasing something that unattainable. Also the enviro-suits are gorgeous.
 

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Tali was always an interesting character. I think if you did the big reveal, it wouldn't be the same. In fact, she might be one of my favourite characters really, especially in the second where she isn't just eye-candy, but you pick her because she's interesting. What more can I say? I don't really want to know what her face looks like because there's much more to her.
 

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Zantos said:
I didn't think she was that interesting to begin with. The mystery was fun at first but I just got fed up of how monotonous she seemed to get about how terrible the geth were and the suffering of her people. And it only got worse in ME2. I just wanted to yell "Tali, we are murdering countless geth with handheld WMDs, can you at least try and enjoy yourself with it?"

I also didn't like the way she, or for that matter pretty much every other quarian, were making it out like the geth were the bad guys. It was there side who started a war with the express intention of completely annihilating the enemy. People just seem to skirt past that fact, it get's mentioned what, twice? Just because they lost it doesn't mean they're suddenly the injured party.
Yeah I understand that as far as her whining about her people's suffering and blah blah. I get that her main motivation in all of this is to support the Migrant Fleet and all, but she doesn't need to beat us over the head with it.

But I can forgive all of that because I absolutely loved how she acted when you started romancing her, or even before that when you could tell she liked you. She seemed so much more real and her awkwardness was adorable. I felt much more attached to her than when I romanced say, Miranda or Ashley in ME1. Both of those broads were just like "ooh look how hot I am, you totally want this, now let's fuck".

Tali's romance really struck a chord with me I guess. Enough that I actually felt bad that I chose to romance her on my renegade playthrough because I realized I didn't want her dating an asshole :/
 

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Of course I want to see what Tali looks like. As a side note, you do realize the Quarian homeworld is overwhelmed by geth right? Just because it's a confirmed destination doesn't mean that we will learn anything new about Quarians because of it. Also, they would still have to wear their suits, even on their home planet. And even if they didn't before, they will once you show up and ruin it.
 

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iblis666 said:
bob1052 said:
I never really thought about it like that.

Making a romanceable character that you have no physical knowledge of (I guess an exaggerated figure in a skin tight space suit may detract somewhat from this) is pretty interesting.

Also This [http://www.ponychan.net/chan/oat/src/130349208326.png]
id hit it
With a shovel.

I think I'd prefer to see what Tali looks like in ME3.

May not be what I expect, but I'd rather know.
 

Gill Kaiser

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I think they could solve this problem by using Liz Sroka's face. At least then Tali would be based on an external reference that already has a connection with the character. Plus, Liz Sroka is cute.
 

Lukirre

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I would strike up a romance with Legion because of fucking robots, man. Shit gets sexy.

Also, I agree that I do not want to see Tali's face. I know that I will be disappointed in it; I know that they will make it look too human in my eyes, regardless of how unearthly it appears. I say this because of the Asari and-...well, pretty much every race except the Krogans.

So no, I don't want to see it because I will come to attribute her personality to her face, rather than attributing her personality to the Tali I've romanced multiple times before.

But! I still want to know what she looks like. Complicated, ain't it?
 

uc.asc

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If were to start from a "love her for her brains" position, then we could reach the conclusion that people like tali despite not knowing what she looks like, rather than because they have imagined her as being particularly attractive; and that therefore they may forgive what may be considered a suboptimal appearance.

In my opinion, a large part of the reason tali is so well-liked isn't that her appearances are mysterious, but that she is one of a very few (squadmembers who wasn't a professional badass before being recruited; and that consequently, her character has more depth -- she had a life and personal considerations outside of the the current mission even before the 'loyalty mission' mechanic was introduced. In short, she feels more real than the other characters.

I want to know what the quarians look like, though since tali has never been my romantic interest I may have less invested in the character than others. Mostly I'm hoping they look like an artist's concept I saw one time.

EDIT: Google image search is fast and helpful and OH GOD MY EYES. Let's see if embed works.

[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/talicz.jpg/]
 

AceAngel

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Grunt gave away on what her skin looks like at least...I mean c'mon, didn't anyone else bother hanging out with Grunt and ACTUALLY paying attention to the poor bastard?
 

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I concur. I don't really understand why people seem to have this need for someone else to show them what Tali looks like.

I see it as a lose/lose for Bioware if they show their design for her. If they had done it for ME1, meh. But now that people have spent WAY too much time thinking about what she should look like the shit storm would be a Category 11.

Now that I think about it the uproar from people if they did would be hilarious. Some screaming about how thats not what she is supposed to look like and others saying she looks too human or too alien. I would have a good old fashioned roflcopter time.

Here is a case study for a university with too much money and time on their hands. Poll Mass Effect fans on how much time they spent reading/being read to, verses watching TV/playing video games when they were growing up. Then compare those numbers with whether or not people want Bioware to design and show a face for Tali. I think that if you read or were read to as a child you would be less likely to want to see the Bioware design as you are better at imagining your own version of it.


Lord Beautiful said:
I want to see.
But if they haven't designed a face for her there isn't anything to see.
 

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spartan231490 said:
Of course I want to see what Tali looks like. As a side note, you do realize the Quarian homeworld is overwhelmed by geth right? Just because it's a confirmed destination doesn't mean that we will learn anything new about Quarians because of it. Also, they would still have to wear their suits, even on their home planet. And even if they didn't before, they will once you show up and ruin it.
My understanding is that they were originally able to live on planets other than their homeworld despite minor immunologic issues, but that these issues became much more pronounced after they were removed from their native ecosystem and lived in comparatively sterile spaceship environments for an extended period of time. If the homeworld's biosphere is intact, it's not unreasonable to assume that they would be able to return to a non-suited state even on other planets, after spending some time there.
 

Scabadus

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I do want to see what she looks like, but I also know that once I do she'll loose the mystery and become less interesting. It would be nice to at least see what other Quarrians look like though, because for some reason I always picture them looking like (and I swear this is true) Predators under those masks.

You know,


Requires a little imagination concerning Shepard's reaction when she takes off her mask. The rest of the scene becomes hilarious.