Do you believe in ghosts or the paranormal?
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But did you automatically assume a dead person was responsible? It could have been extra-dimensional phenomena, fnords, or Invisible Sasquatch. Any of those explanations is better than "dead guy, but not." It's like someone hearing The Bloop and insisting that it's Cthulhu. I'm usually content to just chalk things up to "weird shit."mandaforever said:
Also, that presence on your chest? Might want to look up the Grey Hag scenario. More common than you think.
Yes a legit business that profits off the stupidity of others, no offense to you or your mother but busiesses have profited off of stupidity for a long time this is another. What happens is you mother "heals" them and in the time they think it's working that's actually their body fighting off the virus and they just co relating it to the healingAqua Trenoble said:
No, there's no evidence for them and plenty of logical and natural explanations for the events. Someone has already linked QualiaSoup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI) so that's done.
As has been said, I will look at the evidence, I'm willing to accept the possibility (though I find it highly improbable) but with no forthcoming evidence for them I see no reason to believe in them.
As has been said, I will look at the evidence, I'm willing to accept the possibility (though I find it highly improbable) but with no forthcoming evidence for them I see no reason to believe in them.
Take a picture of it. Post it up. I'm having a hard time believing your ghost tree hypothesis.
Oh, and your logic is flawed - but I'll leave that up to someone else. I'm too tired to get into it right now.
Oh, and your logic is flawed - but I'll leave that up to someone else. I'm too tired to get into it right now.
Because that's not falling into the same trap you were just condemning at all.interspark said:
Not only are you attempting to redefine how objects exist, you are also attempting to redefine how light works. If the tree is indeed invisible (which I doubt, but hypothetically) then light will pass through it. We know this because we see things by light bouncing off them into our eyes. If light bounces off it, we can see it. If light is absorbed by it, we can see it, it's black. If light goes right through it and bounces off things on the other side, then it is invisible.interspark said:
Unfortunately what this means for you is that the tree cannot cast a shadow if it is invisible.
Violating a basic physical principle that can be taught to six year olds just to try to justify a phenomenon that YOU personally cannot explain, and that you cannot bring in external assistance on because all you have is anecdotal evidence is very bad form.
On that topic: I'd be so divided if dark matter somehow turned out to be the souls of the dead...Vigormortis said:
On one hand I'd be happy because "Victory for the scientific approach! We acknowledged that we didn't know what this stuff was, and through observation and experiment we discovered the truth and we did not let our prejudices hamper us in accepting it."
And on the other "Aw, rats. The 'people have souls' crowd was right."
Yes, but the problem is that they're saying that only on the grounds that they do not know what the explanation is.Aqua Trenoble said:
Not knowing the explanation for something does not mean that the explanation has to lie outside the current scientific understanding of the world.
I don't have a problem with people claiming something is outside our current understanding of the world (say, for example, that someone fires an alpha-particle beam at gold foil and it looks like the particles are hitting something dense in there. Maybe that could mean that there is a dense lump in the middle of atoms? But that isn't how we understand atoms to look...). What I have a problem with is people that claim it is so when there is no indication that the explanation should lie outside our current understandings.
There are such things as tricks of the light.interspark said:
Perhaps the light (and shadow) was coming from within the room. Perhaps several shadows from other objects were converging to form the shape of something roughly tree-like. What do I know. I wasn't there. I have no evidence to evaluate.
And it stands to reason that for a tree to be invisible, photons must pass through or around it. If photons were passing through or around it, it wouldn't be possible for the tree to cast a shadow.
The tree (if it was indeed the shadow of a tree) was clearly not visible to you (there may be a myriad of reasons for this to be the case), but that is hardly convincing evidence that there is such a thing as invisible trees casting shadows roaming this world.
(And believe me. Tricks of the eye do not only happen in your peripheral vision.)
My point is that "I do not know why that is, and we might never know" is a far healthier stance to take than "It happened because of a violation of the laws of physics" when that's all the evidence you've got to work from.
I'm sorry, but if you're unable to look at the other side of the spectrum, your argument is invalid, by the rules of logic. Also, you kind of sound like a jerk...I could think of harsher words to use but I'm going to go with "jerk" here.Kayla Herrera said:
There is no such thing as a ghost. There is no evidence to support said ghosts. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.
Paranormal is a funny term, though.
I believe there are plenty of things in the universe that we can't explain. Yet. To believe that there isn't more to our current perception of our world is folly.
But ghosts? Souls? Divine afterlife? Psychic powers? Faith healing? Seems doubtful.
Unexplained, but not Paranormal, per se.
Paranormal is a funny term, though.
I believe there are plenty of things in the universe that we can't explain. Yet. To believe that there isn't more to our current perception of our world is folly.
But ghosts? Souls? Divine afterlife? Psychic powers? Faith healing? Seems doubtful.
Unexplained, but not Paranormal, per se.
I believe in them. Living in a house built on a monk burial ground, it's a bit hard not to, especially when I was woken in the night to the sound of heavy footsteps going up and down the landing, stopping just outside of my bedroom, remaining there, seemingly staring in on me, then going back up the landing and stopping outside my mums room. This continued for 4 hours until my mum screamed for my dad to come up the stairs at which point everything went dead.
After than, I have had glasses smash in the night, heavy breath blowing in my face during the day and night, footsteps running up the stairs, the feeling of someone standing behind me in several rooms, 'waking up' before I properly go to sleep, more like drifting off and suddenly sitting up with heavy breathing, cold sweats and a feeling of terror.
My mum has also seen eyes at night, some are very beautiful, others old, others young and others dark and menacing. She went to a psychic and was told that the eyes were people who had died and had locked onto her spirit like a chain. She was told she had a man who watched over her and protected her from evil spirits because she was so susceptible. After that meeting, the eyes appeared once more, before disappearing for good.
In our house we have had people call names when no-one is home, things have been thrown when no-one is around and whenever we change something in the house, things come alive for a month or so before stopping again. Lights turn on and off, my disabled sister used to speak to 'imaginary friends' and open her draws at night before laughing and talking then going to sleep. one night, we heard the draws opening and closing and I thought to myself, "Oh she's at it again" until realisation hit me that she was away for the weekend at a hostel, that was definitely frightening.
There are many more occurrences only made worse by the numerous bodies we have dug up in the front and back gardens.
After than, I have had glasses smash in the night, heavy breath blowing in my face during the day and night, footsteps running up the stairs, the feeling of someone standing behind me in several rooms, 'waking up' before I properly go to sleep, more like drifting off and suddenly sitting up with heavy breathing, cold sweats and a feeling of terror.
My mum has also seen eyes at night, some are very beautiful, others old, others young and others dark and menacing. She went to a psychic and was told that the eyes were people who had died and had locked onto her spirit like a chain. She was told she had a man who watched over her and protected her from evil spirits because she was so susceptible. After that meeting, the eyes appeared once more, before disappearing for good.
In our house we have had people call names when no-one is home, things have been thrown when no-one is around and whenever we change something in the house, things come alive for a month or so before stopping again. Lights turn on and off, my disabled sister used to speak to 'imaginary friends' and open her draws at night before laughing and talking then going to sleep. one night, we heard the draws opening and closing and I thought to myself, "Oh she's at it again" until realisation hit me that she was away for the weekend at a hostel, that was definitely frightening.
There are many more occurrences only made worse by the numerous bodies we have dug up in the front and back gardens.
sir or madam you are a fool, i'm fully aware of the behavious of light and how shadows are made, you don't need to explain it to me, and i know full well that for an invisible thing to cast a shadow is to defy physics, if the thing casting the shadow were visible then it would be fully explainable, however it is invisible which does of course contradict physics, which is why we call it "paranormal" which is why i brought it up, if all the stories on this thread included a logical explanation then they wouldn't be in the right place now would they?Fangobra said:
Erm, yes.... My intended edit never happened because of horrible internet and people yelling at me.Jonluw said:
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Eh, I don't think that that translation is necessarily accurate. If you read the definitions of what they say, all that they're saying is that the explanation doesn't lie within what is accepted as normal. This could mean that the phenomenon requires more scientific analysis or it could mean that space-rays from the planet Xenon are fucking with us. It is possible though, that your translation is what they do actually mean.Jonluw said:
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And yes, when people insist that a phenomenon is supernatural when there is a perfectly valid mundane explanation, they are being close-minded.
No, but I've experienced some freaky shit, man. Most of it turned out to be logically explainable, though. For example, when I was 11, I was lying in bed and I heard somebody playing our piano. At three in the morning. I was fucking terrified, so much so that I ran to my parents bedroom and was begging them to check it out. Turned out that it was the cats running on the keys. Also, at one point the closet light started to short out, causing it to blink on and off randomly. Freaky.
wow, that's crazy! Now I don't feel as crazy for having so many experiences myself. It's hard to tell people about it cause they tell you it's all in your head, and when I tell them I CLEARLY heard a scream and CLEARLY saw a bright blue flash that lit up my whole room, they say I was obviously dreaming.ELD3RGoD said:
I've seen and heard a lot too, not as much as you, but enough to make me wonder. I used an ouija board while drunk one time, and after that, for three months, it felt like there was a small child laying on top of me and moving around in his sleep. Whatever it was tapped on my toes and woke me up many times. One time I felt an electric surge go up my body. Another time, I woke up to a very loud "song" coming out of my computer speakers, while my sound was turned down and Pandora was off. It lasted for a good 20 mins and I was wide awake. I couldn't make out any words, but there was definitely "singing",
I would love it if this hadn't happened. I still choose not to believe in ghosts, but the experience was so real, I can't write anything off anymore.
I can look at it. Poke it with a stick and watch it squirm. I have heard the arguments but the fact remains that there's no evidence for the supernatural. Now that's logic.mandaforever said:
And what's so jerkish about, y'know, accepting reality? I'm sorry if I sound condescending but my 5 year old sister isn't gullible enough to believe in all this rubbish. Do you know how silly you "true believers" sound?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_dreammandaforever said:
Oh look. There's an explanation. All I had to do was google the symptons.
"Believe" is a strong word. I don't necessarily believe in anything. However, I have seen stuff and heard some good stories. One night I was watching meteors with my sister and a big black triangle blocked out the stars as it passed overhead in a split second. My sister told me that if I had not said anything, she wouldn't have mentioned it because it was so quick. Almost like an optical illusion, but we both saw it. My sister also had an old poster of Fred Savage on her wall when she was a teenager. In the early morning, it looked like the eyes would open and close and his fingertips would move. Again, an optical illusion. However, one Christmas morning, my sister and I were waiting in her room while my parents set some things up. Then a big green light (like a green flashlight) lit up on the surface of the poster. We thought our parents were messing around, but they weren't. Being Christmas morning we forgot about it, until she brought it up years later. I know, this stuff is pretty weaksauce in the spooky / unexplainable department, but these are just the things I've personally witnessed.
Before I was born however, my family lived in what they now consider to be a haunted house. All the classic elements were there. Many nights there would be the sound of someone walking up the stairs and down the stairs. Faucets would turn on and off by themselves. You could hear disembodied whispering in the basement. My parents lived in an apartment before that where weird stuff happened. I don't think all my stuff is 100% unexplainable, but it is interesting to me. Just keep your eyes open and you'll probably come across something bizarre one of these days.
Watch that Celebrity Ghost Stories show, though. There are some really compelling stories on there, and some of the "celebrities" (they use that term pretty loosely) seem credible and believe what they're saying. Chilling material at times, but it's also fun to laugh at the majority of lame and pathetic stories, too.
Before I was born however, my family lived in what they now consider to be a haunted house. All the classic elements were there. Many nights there would be the sound of someone walking up the stairs and down the stairs. Faucets would turn on and off by themselves. You could hear disembodied whispering in the basement. My parents lived in an apartment before that where weird stuff happened. I don't think all my stuff is 100% unexplainable, but it is interesting to me. Just keep your eyes open and you'll probably come across something bizarre one of these days.
Watch that Celebrity Ghost Stories show, though. There are some really compelling stories on there, and some of the "celebrities" (they use that term pretty loosely) seem credible and believe what they're saying. Chilling material at times, but it's also fun to laugh at the majority of lame and pathetic stories, too.
I believe in ghosts, and the supernatural, from many many personal experiences... the home I grew up in was very seriously haunted.
That said, I dislike the word "Supernatural" and the idea that these things are outside the realms of science.. everything can be proven by science, it just needs scientists to discover it instead of closing their minds.
That said, I dislike the word "Supernatural" and the idea that these things are outside the realms of science.. everything can be proven by science, it just needs scientists to discover it instead of closing their minds.