Do you feel sorry for non gamers?

[StriderShinryu]

I don't know that I would describe it as "feeling sorry" but I do definitely feel that someone who pointedly avoids games is missing out. Sure, there are some people who don't like games or just don't get into them that have actually tried them, and that's cool. There are still far too many people out there that simply reject videogames outright because they are stuck in the mindframe that videgames = Pac-man or Space Invaders (or even Pong).

Think of your favourite movie, TV show or book. Maybe even take your favourite painting or piece of music. Now think of actually being able to live in and interact with it an a way that goes far beyond passive viewing or listening? I can't see why someone who turns their nose up at that sort of experience.

 

[Vigormortis]

Do you feel sorry for non-gamers?

I have tried to explain that i have been in a 4 year relationship with Liara from the Mass Effect series.

Let me know what you think.

I think the more I hear of stuff like this the more I feel sorry for the gamers.

Seriously people. What the hell?

 

[josemlopes]

Games don't have that much to offer. Compare it to movies for example. The only games that one would say have to be played are . . . portal maybe?

Yeah, you are right. Movies have so much to offer!! Character Arcs, well structured narrative, good pacing and everything that makes a good movie that its worth every millons of dolla........

Oh...wait

Uhm....Ok, bad example. i suppose that literature is having a great time showing off to the movies and games how a good story is don........

...................

Why are we defending those again?

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

 

[DioWallachia]

You are complaining for Uncharted only? -_-

Easy target.

Of course, having a good writer make bad clichetopian worlds that have been already done before its an easy target but how is it that the others arent?

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

Tell me that was a joke.

I never said that it was a properly equipped bastion for creativity or that there isnt many pest that need to be exterminated.

BADUM DISH

No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD. (the remake to exploit brand recognition that has been around since forever has been explained by Mr Plinket in his Star Trek 2009 review)

You are so full of shit. There have always been bad movies. We just forgot about them because they sucked. You actually believe that in a 10-year period, there are more shitty Hollywood remakes than there were good movies in all of history? You seriously fucking believe that?

Since film making has the cold label of a "bussines" and therefore they NEED pull every trick on their sleave to make sure that only THEIR movies exist and only THEY have the rights for whatever thing they want to make into a movie to avoid giving other studios a chance, then yeah, i do believe it.

Unless we count independent filmaking in that case...........in that case we have to include independent game developers too. 2 part of each industry that doesnt get the spotlight it deserves but they still try their best to make good games. Except that since we are talking about big companies that have more monetary power, the indie has to be moved aside.
In this case, once again, the crap of movies outweight anything good made previously in film history. In the case of games, the companies still manages to give fruition decent games but its only a matter of time before they finally give up.

You know it, i know it. Soon the 2nd Video Game Crash will ensue and the fact that people are still bitching about things like ME3 ending without making bloody clear what is exactly wrong with that will mean that the developers will give up finally and do businesses blindfolded like when ATARI did when they decided to overproduce the Pacman port and the ET game.

Here's my challenge to you: name every bad remake you can think of in the last 10 years and I will name 2 good movies from any point in time.

Later.

For games at least only COD and MW3 are the black sheep that we can easily dismiss because video games exist since Atari times (at best 30+ years compared to 100+ of Hollywood) and i can forgive that the people making video games still havent realized that this isnt the place for the bullshit that the film industry does. There isnt just enough COD or MW3 to ruin everything yet because Its just a matter of perception, the fact that people talk about those games doesnt change anything because in the long run they will run out of things to said.

Translation: "I can't be fucked to do any real research, so here's an excuse instead."

You could give the children here an example of research tough.

 

[InvisibleMan]

In short, no. In fact, I kind of envy them: I just can't pry myself away from games anymore! I miss reading (more)...

 

[DioWallachia]

So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?

No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD.

That's called Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. It doesn't mean the remaining 10% is also crap.

Then why are you even saying that games DONT have much to offer?

I'm not.

You just contradicted yourself. You just dont know many good games and that is it, in the same way that people think that there are no good movies anymore because they dont know any better.

Like i said "Its just a matter of perception"

I think that there are good and bad things in any medium. Most of them are bad, but that's true for games, books, films, whatever. Maybe you have me confused with someone else?

Yeah sorry, i though it was the original guy who say that games dont have much to offer

 

[TheLastSamurai14]

Games don't have that much to offer. Compare it to movies for example. The only games that one would say have to be played are . . . portal maybe?

Yeah, you are right. Movies have so much to offer!! Character Arcs, well structured narrative, good pacing and everything that makes a good movie that its worth every millons of dolla........

[Transformers]


Oh...wait

Uhm....Ok, bad example. i suppose that literature is having a great time showing off to the movies and games how a good story is don........


[Twilight]

...................

Why are we defending those again?

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?

Well, if there is nothing else left, we can at least listen to...

You know what? Fuck it.

You've just used that button in one of the most creative ways imaginable. Congratulations.

OT: I don't think I know someone who doesn't play any video games. Keep in mind, I'm counting casual stuff like Angry Birds and Words with Friends, as well. Everyone in my life has at least had a small sampling of the gaming medium. Granted, I'm trying to steer some people toward a more active gaming lifestyle (my girlfriend, for example, whom I've introduced to Portal and Minecraft, and is now interested in Half-Life and Team Fortress 2), but of course, I know I'll fail sometimes (my mother will never understand my obsession with Minecraft, and thus gaming as a whole for some reason, because she never played with Lego as a kid).

 

[mad_mick]

non gamers will never understand why we do what we do, why we 'waste' hours of our lives sitting in front of tv screens and computer moniters. video games are an interactive book, where you delve into a fun, exciting new world and have a really good time doing so. gaming isnt a hobby, its a way of life! My first video game ever was robot wars on the playstation 1, been at it ever since!

 

[mad_mick]

Games don't have that much to offer. Compare it to movies for example. The only games that one would say have to be played are . . . portal maybe?

Yeah, you are right. Movies have so much to offer!! Character Arcs, well structured narrative, good pacing and everything that makes a good movie that its worth every millons of dolla........

Oh...wait

Uhm....Ok, bad example. i suppose that literature is having a great time showing off to the movies and games how a good story is don........

Am i the only person who enjoyed children of men??
...................

Why are we defending those again?

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

Am i the only person who enjoyed children of men??

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

You are complaining for Uncharted only? -_-

Easy target.

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

Tell me that was a joke.

I tried getting her to play Halo with me once, I'm pretty sure she managed to crash her Spartan. For her, I feel sorry that she'll never get the chance to experiance the great games (if you can't pilot the Master Chief, imagine what a mindfuck Portal would be!).

It never occurred to you that you tried to make her run before she could walk?

No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD. (the remake to exploit brand recognition that has been around since forever has been explained by Mr Plinket in his Star Trek 2009 review)

You are so full of shit. There have always been bad movies. We just forgot about them because they sucked. You actually believe that in a 10-year period, there are more shitty Hollywood remakes than there were good movies in all of history? You seriously fucking believe that?

Here's my challenge to you: name every bad remake you can think of in the last 10 years and I will name 2 good movies from any point in time.

For games at least only COD and MW3 are the black sheep that we can easily dismiss because video games exist since Atari times (at best 30+ years compared to 100+ of Hollywood) and i can forgive that the people making video games still havent realized that this isnt the place for the bullshit that the film industry does. There isnt just enough COD or MW3 to ruin everything yet because Its just a matter of perception, the fact that people talk about those games doesnt change anything because in the long run they will run out of things to said.

Translation: "I can't be fucked to do any real research, so here's an excuse instead."

Don't be a dick to people, they're all valid points, and challenging their opinions with nonsense about how they give them to you is unnecessary.

After all this is.

Spoiler

the escapist

 

[DioWallachia]

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

Why did you choose those 2 examples? District 9 at least i know that tried waaaay too hard on a subject that has been already touched upon, the other one didnt see it all i know is that its an adaptation of a book.

How is that any different from the people who tried the same but failed as well on the gaming medium? What did exactly those 2 examples did? Its isnt just because they wont Oscars right? Or that those 2 are, from a technical standpoint, movies that the people at the Oscars normally dont give 2 fucks about because it isnt about WW2 or about Class or about anything that any Oscar Bait director could try on them but instead they are about Science Fiction, a genre that only now has started to receive acceptance from the old farts? That could be an achievement from a certain point of view, but what about already existing Sci Fi movies that the old fart didnt even ATTEMPT to see? wont those movies deserve some recognition if they were good?

That is one of the many problems of why the movie industry (in my biased opinion at least ) is the LAST place i will like to see a good story receive praise, because its more biased than than EVER and i feel that the old farts are just throwing a bone to the Sci-Fi lovers as a mean to shut them up rather than just admiting that they are really good.

 

[DioWallachia]

You've just used that button in one of the most creative ways imaginable. Congratulations.

OT: I don't think I know someone who doesn't play any video games. Keep in mind, I'm counting casual stuff like Angry Birds and Words with Friends, as well. Everyone in my life has at least had a small sampling of the gaming medium. Granted, I'm trying to steer some people toward a more active gaming lifestyle (my girlfriend, for example, whom I've introduced to Portal and Minecraft, and is now interested in Half-Life and Team Fortress 2), but of course, I know I'll fail sometimes (my mother will never understand my obsession with Minecraft, and thus gaming as a whole for some reason, because she never played with Lego as a kid).

First time i saw Charles "The Man" Kane in The Escapist

Don't be a dick to people, they're all valid points, and challenging their opinions with nonsense about how they give them to you is unnecessary.

After all this is.

Spoiler

the escapist

I would still like a good explanation of why i sucked at explaining.

 

[josemlopes]

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

Why did you choose those 2 examples? District 9 at least i know that tried waaaay too hard on a subject that has been already touched upon, the other one didnt see it all i know is that its an adaptation of a book.

How is that any different from the people who tried the same but failed as well on the gaming medium? What did exactly those 2 examples did? Its isnt just because they wont Oscars right? Or that those 2 are, from a technical standpoint, movies that the people at the Oscars normally dont give 2 fucks about because it isnt about WW2 or about Class or about anything that any Oscar Bait director could try on them but instead they are about Science Fiction, a genre that only now has started to receive acceptance from the old farts? That could be an achievement from a certain point of view, but what about already existing Sci Fi movies that the old fart didnt even ATTEMPT to see? wont those movies deserve some recognition if they were good?

That is one of the many problems of why the movie industry (in my biased opinion at least ) is the LAST place i will like to see a good story receive praise, because its more biased than than EVER and i feel that the old farts are just throwing a bone to the Sci-Fi lovers as a mean to shut them up rather than just admiting that they are really good.

I chose those 2 because they are movies that I saw and caused a bigger effect in me then any game ever did. That is all

 

[TheLastSamurai14]

First time i saw Charles "The Man" Kane in The Escapist

The first time, really? I see you haven't been here long. Well, you better get used to that image. It's one of the more popular ones on these forums.

 

[Optiluiz]

I try to get some of them into games. Stuff like Silent Hill 2 and the Metal Gear Solid series, with good stories that you can't really find anywhere else. The most I've been able to do is to get some friends of mine to play God Of War and American Mc'Gee's Alice. I guess that's a start.

 

[blackcherry]

The title and opening post is pretty condescending. Those poor non gamers, we need to educate them so their lives can be soooo much better when they are like us. That last sentence? That was what this entire thread has been.

People have different interests. They don't need belittling or 'saving' because they don't share yours.

 

[TakeshiLive]

I don't feel bad for non gamers. As long as they don't think "OMG, He's a gamer, what a no-life," before actually getting to know me is okay by me. I've had that because I casually beat some friends at Halo (who weren't gamers but have never played against one before) and they thought I practiced 24/7.

My parents think gaming's just a stage in my life I will soon abandon. HAH! Who wants a LAN party at my retirement home?

 

[Manji187]

Interesting reversal there, OP.

But seriously, no. I have never felt sorry for someone NOT playing videogames. I'm sure every person does what they feel is most worthwhile for them.

Strange, now that I think about it, I have pitied people for not reading books.

I guess I feel that one truly misses out when one does not read books, whereas to me this is not the case with games.

 

[DioWallachia]

I chose those 2 because they are movies that I saw and caused a bigger effect in me then any game ever did. That is all

You should see Downfall (2004) then

Too bad that i dont know what games you have played actually