Fuck no. They're pieces of cloth representing a system that I'm not entirely sure is a good idea to begin with. Patriotism is a load of bunk.
That's fair enough. However, I still think they are more using that phrase as an example of how little they care. The problem is, with countries like England, is that we don't understand where we stand in the world any more. A significant amount of the people of England seem to think that showing any pride in your country will be viewed as racist or bigoted, so we've kind of forgotten what we're suppose to be proud of. Yes, we're very well of indeed, but so are other countries: it's not England-exclusive.Mr Thin said:And some of the posters here don't seem to understand that, tossing out comments like "it's just cloth, what's the big deal". That's what I was talking about.
Again, good reasons to be glad you live in the West, not particularly about the country in general. That's why I think the flag, for many, represents very little: we don't know what our very country represents now. We only see ourselves in stereotypes from American TV as villains, posh, vain, useless, gentlemen, or cockneys wandering around American going "Wat's this' 'ot-dogs, awl abowt?"That_Sneaky_Camper said:I think that if you live in a peaceful, wealthy and powerful country then you should be proud enough about the quality of life it provides for you that you should have patriotism towards it.
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Basically like your country, but don't care too much about the flag is what I'm saying.
It's not the flag its the principles/values that it represents. That being said no, nationalism is just as fucked up as religionKing of the Sandbox said:Not really. I mean, it's just some cloth. Now, if we had a cool looking flag, like, say, Wales, I'd probably be more inclined to say yes, but only for art appreciation reasons.
I agree, I'm British and for me my flag represents not just where I live, but also the values of freedom and liberty that my country embodies and all those who sacrificed to earn us those values. I don't mind people putting flags in their pockets or folding them in whatever way but I think they should still show respect to what our flag represents.Mr Thin said:A surprising number of Escapists are failing to grasp the simple notion of symbolism. Strange, you're usually a pretty smart bunch.
I'm aware of the token faith some peoples choose to put into a piece of cloth. Others like me, choose to represent it with our own actions and morals and whatnot.JackKrauserFtw said:It's not the flag its the principles/values that it represents. That being said no, nationalism is just as fucked up as religionKing of the Sandbox said:Not really. I mean, it's just some cloth. Now, if we had a cool looking flag, like, say, Wales, I'd probably be more inclined to say yes, but only for art appreciation reasons.