Do you hate people who argue till they are blue in the face, even though you know they are wrong?

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FolkLikePanda

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Yes and sometimes I feel like hitting them until their face is mush so that the argument doesn't matter anymore and then we can get in the argument afterward as to why their face is now mush to which the opening and closing statement would be: "You were being a twat and you deserved it."
 

Blarkuntvhite

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I really don't like it it when neither side is willing to give any leeway to the other.

It's just infuriating to see people so stuck up that they wouldn't even CONSIDER they might be wrong.
 

DugMachine

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Grant Hobba said:
Legion said:
It's even worse when it finally sinks in that they are wrong, and rather than having the courage to admit it, they then say something like "Who cares anyway?" or "I was only joking" even when they clearly did and they weren't.

Then of course if you point out that fact everybody makes it seems like you are the one being argumentative.

Which is why I normally avoid any arguments and just shut my mouth if people are starting to head in that direction.
Lesson learned for next time, I'm not even gonna bother next time...

But I guess i deserve it, for opening my big gob trying to explain that there are categories of instruments the voice being included as wind for a Capella music and the human body as percussion for obvious reasons escapes those who like dance... the funny thing is dance was once written and performed live... with guitars ... :\

I don't know... people just flat out do not believe you need an instrument to create music... so I'm gonna go flying with a pizza because the purple dinosaur told me my crab juice was getting loose.
Haha the nerve on you! You STILL won't admit you're wrong even when people who study music just like you are telling you that your textbook is not the only music textbook in the world. Stubborn people, I swear.
 
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Grant Hobba said:
Yet people argue the content of the book because Wikipedia says something different.
Where do you think Wikipedia's information comes from? Books. Just because it's written in a book doesn't make you right and it doesn't make someone wrong to be working from Wikipedia. Who gave such a closed minded person the position to study something as open as music?
 

Vault101

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fuck me....

some people just don't give up do they?

well I can only hope

 

Eddie the head

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Grimh said:
Vault101 said:
-Heroic effort, snipped-
Arguing with that guy is like bashing your head against a brick wall. It won't budge and you'll end up with a headache.
But if you do brake it you'll have a tremendous sense of accomplishment, witch will be just as well as you'll have lost all your other senses by then.
 

DoomyMcDoom

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I always find it funny though, I'm a musician, I love the feeling music gives me, but even I know that our brains are nothing more than a form of computer, made of organic matter.

I come from a family of people who are musicians, my grandmother is a Pianist who has played with a few of the orchestras up here in canada, she's learned and taught musical theory, and is a christian, who doesn't share my views of the human condition and even she agrees that music is math, pure and simple, resonance on different wavelengths in the audible spectrum that cause reactions in the brain.
The definition of art is a much less straight forward argument, and it seems that a lot of people get these two arguments mixed, as music is an art, but then again so is fighting, and dance, and salesmanship(which is where a lot of the sales of obscure and pointless splatter art or two tone canvas art, ends up classified by anyone who has seen any other art, I mean the art of bullshitting, has got to be the art behind any paintings that are a canvas with one colour on them, with no detail being sold to anyone with eyes, as you can easily replicate it with a paint roller and a bucket of paint on your wall for a sliver of the price of a painting, and it would likely hold the same meaning to you as it did to the artist(money, or the saving of money on your end))

But that's neither here nor there, as the art of the debate is in itself the heart of forums, so please do continue, as it gives me something to read.

And I seriously mean this, I do not patronize those who desire discourse, as it is in itself a higher form of entertainment, as it is not passive and generally requires a level of thought.
 

NiPah

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Grant Hobba said:
Lesson learned for next time, I'm not even gonna bother next time...

But I guess i deserve it, for opening my big gob trying to explain that there are categories of instruments the voice being included as wind for a Capella music and the human body as percussion for obvious reasons escapes those who like dance... the funny thing is dance was once written and performed live... with guitars... :\

I don't know... people just flat out do not believe you need an instrument to create music... so I'm gonna go flying with a pizza because the purple dinosaur told me my crab juice was getting loose.
I know nothing about the academics of music; it?s so far removed from my area of expertise that even a beginner?s textbook would most likely fly over my head. I hadn?t read the previous post but I am actually going back to read it since hey, more ya know, but I have a few critiques of how you went arguing your point.

The major flaw in your argument is bringing up the issue of talent when debating dubstep music, even if it does not fall under your definition of music it does not mean there is or is not talent involved in its production. Justified or not, you come out looking petty and insecure when you throw around the ?talentless? card.

Secondly in something as abstract as music you have to accurately explain why your definition is needed, maybe it was covered earlier in the thread but I have not seen why instruments are needed to create music, you state that people like dance but people like dubstep as well, what is your definition and why is it needed to define what music is.

Thirdly you?re getting too personal, adding an insult to a well thought out post ruins the whole thing.
 

Grimh

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Vault101 said:
fuck me....

some people just don't give up do they?

well I can only hope

I'm not gonna say I told you so, but I definitely told you so.

It's hopeless...

 

Neksar

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At this point, you can barely tell what the mess underneath that gore-covered stick ever was to begin with. Hopefully we've all learned something here; that no matter who's right on the Internet, nobody ever wins.

EDIT: I'm not sure if I'm using that semicolon correctly, and am tangibly bothered by it.
 

shrekfan246

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NuclearShadow said:
shrekfan246 said:
I don't think arguing on the internet is worth it. You hardly ever change the opposing side's opinion, and usually one of the two people involved ends up raging and seething for the rest of the day.
I put little faith in even a civil formal debate of changing the other debaters mind. But when there is a audience in the end it doesn't matter if you change the other debaters minds but rather can get through to the audience. This is why it is worth it because someone who comes in unsure of the answer and has yet to make up their mind can see both sides and choose what they feel is correct. I simply try to reach those people and bring them to what I believe is truly right.
You're not the first person to respond that way to my view, and I can understand it, but I guess I've never had my opinion noticed widely enough to make me feel that it's worth getting into the argument or debate in the first place. I know that for even one person to be educated about both sides of an issue and come out on 'your' side is a pretty large miracle itself, but it's a bit of a cost/payout ratio issue for me. Unless someone truly opens their eyes to the opposition, I feel my time is better spent doing something other than debating because, to be blunt and unfair, I hate feeling like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall.
 

Ledan

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Grant Hobba said:
I study music,

We are given a clear cut definition of what music is, what it is open to and how to create it.

Yet people argue the content of the book because Wikipedia says something different...

Who let these kids have access to the internet?

Do you hate these sort of people ?
1. 1 book does not equal truth.
The bible doesn't prove god, nor does any other holy book.
1 music textbook doesn't prove the definition of music. Get over it. When people pull things from Wikipedia they are showing examples of other definitions of music. That are in textbooks. And are as valid as the definition in your specific textbook.
It's like arguing over evolutionary theory by using the definition in one textbook. There are others. There are debates. There are outdated textbooks. There is discussion. You are never 100% right. Except in math.

2. Everyone should have access to the internet. Don't like it? You can leave.

3. Yes, I hate your sort of people who can argue till they are blue in the face and even though I know that you are wrong will not admit it. That is the most egotistical sentence I've seen in a long time here on the escapist.
You realize that you are the same person that you are complaining about? When they refuse to say that they are wrong, by saying " even though I know they are wrong" you are the same person as them.
Ergo, you must hate yourself :)
 

Vault101

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Grimh said:
Vault101 said:
nah man


I'm just warming up!
Alright! Maybe there's a small chance you'll knock some sense into him.

Good luck!
oh no.....no no no no he's a lost cause

but some men (or women) just want to watch the world burn
 

Stasisesque

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I'm convinced, no, I flat out know I have argued until I'm blue in the face without a clue of what I'm talking about. I might hate them at the time, simply out of frustration, but when calmed down realise that I'm just as bad.

I hate to be told I'm wrong, too, so I'm probably worse.